[dieterbrock]

Who was the starter? Who's the HOF? Who's going to get the ball if both are healthy? Especially in Green's first couple of years as a pro?

Gates started 15, 15 & 14 games in Green's first 3 years. That equals less looks and less production(i.e. being stuck behind Gates). In Green's 4th year, Gates missed a lot of time and Green did enough to get himself a big contract with the Steelers.

You baffle me sometimes with stuff like this. In what way was Green NOT stuck behind Gates? That makes no sense at all. Only when Gates started aging and breaking down did Green start approaching the number of looks that Gates got. When Gates was healthy, he was the top target for Rivers getting almost 5 times the looks that Green was getting his first two years.

Not only that, but whatever 2 TE sets they were running were very minimal in terms of distributing passes. Gates, Allen and whoever the third receiver were would dominate the looks from Rivers. There's not much to support the idea that they were running a 2 TE pass offense that gave each TE equal opportunities.

How many games did San Diego start 2 TE?

[safer]

I've read McVey is intrigued with Hemmingway too...he is very big and fast.....guess it wouldn't hurt to give Laderius a look too. I wanted us to sign him last year (gulp!)

[moklerman]

How many games did San Diego start 2 TE?

Does it matter? Regardless of whether or not Gates and Green were listed as starting a game, how many opportunities they each had to catch the ball is what is germane.

[dieterbrock]

So being on the field and not getting the ball thrown to him is not a consideration? How many balls do you think went to Gates any way? He the only one catching passes?
We just got rid of Lance Kendricks. Why on earth would we want someone who didn't even produce to his level?

[moklerman]

So being on the field and not getting the ball thrown to him is not a consideration? How many balls do you think went to Gates any way? He the only one catching passes?
We just got rid of Lance Kendricks. Why on earth would we want someone who didn't even produce to his level?

Of course it's a consideration. It's the whole point. You're the one arguing that SD runs a lot of 2 TE sets to support your opinion that Green wasn't stuck behind Gates.

But the numbers don't support that in any way. Gates was clearly the #1 TE and Green was (stuck)behind him. I don't see anything that suggests there was equal/comparable opportunity for the #2 TE like you're saying. Gates, from the TE position was often the #1 option in the SD passing game. Then it was Allen at WR. Then it was the #2 WR. The 2nd TE was barely an after thought for Green's first 3 years as a pro.

So, you suggesting that he wasn't stuck behind Gates doesn't make any sense. If you weren't the #1 TE and a HOF in that offense, you weren't getting looks/opportunities of any significant level as the #2 TE.

[dieterbrock]

Of course it's a consideration. It's the whole point. You're the one arguing that SD runs a lot of 2 TE sets to support your opinion that Green wasn't stuck behind Gates.

But the numbers don't support that in any way. Gates was clearly the #1 TE and Green was (stuck)behind him. I don't see anything that suggests there was equal/comparable opportunity for the #2 TE like you're saying. Gates, from the TE position was often the #1 option in the SD passing game. Then it was Allen at WR. Then it was the #2 WR. The 2nd TE was barely an after thought for Green's first 3 years as a pro.

So, you suggesting that he wasn't stuck behind Gates doesn't make any sense. If you weren't the #1 TE and a HOF in that offense, you weren't getting looks/opportunities of any significant level as the #2 TE.

So a 2 TE offense can only have 1 effective TE?
Didn't realize that. Especially considering the success New England had with Gronk/Hernandez and how the Redskins exploited it last season
In an offense that throws roughly 600 passes a season, and Gates saw 80-90 of them, that leaves room for a lot of opportunity for a TE who also gets on the field.
Like I said, I had enough of Lance Kendricks.
I'm more excited to see the TE that McVay wants playing for him

[moklerman]

So a 2 TE offense can only have 1 effective TE?
Didn't realize that.

I didn't realize anyone had suggested that.

You're implying that SD's offense gave Green a relatively equitable opportunity for production as Gates and the numbers don't support that. The 2nd TE had dramatically fewer looks in that offense.

[dieterbrock]

I didn't realize anyone had suggested that.

You're implying that SD's offense gave Green a relatively equitable opportunity for production as Gates and the numbers don't support that. The 2nd TE had dramatically fewer looks in that offense.

Nope, I didn't bring up Gates, you did. I certainly feel he had enough looks to be a Lance Kendricks type producer. And since we got rid of the original, I don't need the 2.0
I like what McVay is looking for in a TE and cant wait to see what Everett/Higbee can do. Maybe Hemingway as well

[moklerman]

Nope, I didn't bring up Gates, you did. I certainly feel he had enough looks to be a Lance Kendricks type producer. And since we got rid of the original, I don't need the 2.0
I like what McVay is looking for in a TE and cant wait to see what Everett/Higbee can do. Maybe Hemingway as well

I did bring up Gates but only to refute your claim that Green is injury prone. He had an injury plagued 2016 with Pittsburgh but I don't see that he was missing time/starts in SD because of injury(s). He didn't play as much because SD had Gates.

As far as Green being Kendricks 2.0, I'm sure teams would be more intrigued by Green's physical and potential. 6'6", 240 and a 4.45 40 time is a bit different than Kendricks at 6'3" and 4.57.

Green certainly blew his first chance as a #1 TE but I bet someone's going to give him another look. A "prove it" deal and competing for a job vs. a couple of youngsters doesn't seem like such a bad idea for the Rams.

[dieterbrock]

I did bring up Gates but only to refute your claim that Green is injury prone. He had an injury plagued 2016 with Pittsburgh but I don't see that he was missing time/starts in SD because of injury(s). He didn't play as much because SD had Gates.

As far as Green being Kendricks 2.0, I'm sure teams would be more intrigued by Green's physical and potential. 6'6", 240 and a 4.45 40 time is a bit different than Kendricks at 6'3" and 4.57.

Green certainly blew his first chance as a #1 TE but I bet someone's going to give him another look. A "prove it" deal and competing for a job vs. a couple of youngsters doesn't seem like such a bad idea for the Rams.

Oh boy, so lets just ignore context shall we?
I didn't say he was injury prone for his career, I was talking about last year. Multiple injuries kept him off the field last year.
I don't need a non producing vet taking playing time away from the young guys McVay feels is a fit. Prove it to who? Like I said, we could have kept Kendricks if we wanted a guy who never put up big numbers
I'm good with the athletic guys McVay sees and I'd rather Higbee get the prove it time since he was subjected to that mess last year