[Elvis]

Question: What exactly the fuck is McVay saying? Anybody deciphered that yet? Let me know.

I'm actually not entirely sure what you're saying most of the time.

But again i think there's a generational thing going on.

McVay is a lot younger than you. Like a lot of our members, you can't seem to relate.

But outside of the RFU bubble, the players, the organization, it seems a lot of people do and can relate, very much so.

I hate the idea of losing McVay but don't have a problem with how it's going down (if that is indeed what's happening).

To each his own...

[CanuckRightWinger]

Laughable?
Our storied Franchise got TWO Lombardi Trophies.....one each from Dick and Sean.
But those are not comparable?
Yeah, sure.

Maybe some math is in order though, as when you miss 2 outa 6 Playoff runs (2019 & 2022), that doesn't equal "five excellent seasons." It equals a 33% failure rate.

Anyhoo...
Back to the point of this thread, and this Rams Limbo quagmire.
Anybody got any plausible theories on McVay's endgame here?
LIke does McVay really expect Kroenke to give him a year off, keep the Rams HC chair warm for him with an Interim HC, awaiting for McVay's triumphant return to Los Ramos, if McVay is in the mood in 2024???

I wouldn't agree to that plan if I was the second richest owner in the NFL, I can tell you that!

[Elvis]

You can say whatever you like about the current McVay situation. However, the comparison above is laughable.

Dick Vermeil had two horrible seasons, and then was virtually forced to hire Mike Martz who was undeniably instrumental in winning a Super Bowl immediately.

Sean McVay was a big success immediately and had five excellent seasons, including two Super Bowls and a Super Bowl victory before this one bad season.

So yeah, I would say there's much more to be thankful for McVay for us longtime Rams fans than Vermeil, who I do like by the way.

Not to mention the only two head coaches in Rams history to win a SB were highly strung, emotional men prone to quitting. I guess i associate that with Lombardis...

[Gareth]

Laughable?
Our storied Franchise got TWO Lombardi Trophies.....one each from Dick and Sean.
But those are not comparable?
Yeah, sure.

Maybe some math is in order though, as when you miss 2 outa 6 Playoff runs (2019 & 2022), that doesn't equal "five excellent seasons." It equals a 33% failure rate.

So McVay, according to you, had a 33% failure rate. How do you like Vermeil's 67% failure rate then? And his would've been 100% without Martz.

McVay - 60-38
Vermeil - 22-26

[Elvis]

Vermeil had an 80% failure rate in KC but with the Eagles his failure rate was only 43%...

[/zn/]

McVay - 60-38
Vermeil - 22-26

I think they're completely different things.

One difference is that DV actually had to rebuild in 97. Rebuilding means a couple of years of losing before you win. (I also don't buy, and never have bought, that the difference was just Martz. As Martz proved on his own after DV. I think when you have Warner, Bruce, Holt, and Faulk with a solid OL and a 6th ranked defense, any good coordinator could have taken that team to the post-season).

McV inherited a team that was mostly already there. If you look through NFL history, most one year turnarounds come when a coach inherits a team that is already mostly there. For example, among other things, McV inherited Donald and Gurley. McV had to add a few things (WR and LOT) but he did not have to rebuild. Demoff even came out in 2017 and said it was not a rebuild situation. Heck I don't think 2023 is a rebuild situaton either.

McV's 2 non-playoff years came when the team had to contend with extensive injuries. 2019 saw a lot of OL injuries. 2022 took that into hyper-drive.

I see DV and McV as being equal but in different ways, with different strengths.

[Elvis]

[CanuckRightWinger]

Generational, Elvis?
You are probably correct about some cultural differences with respect to words like:
dutiful, obligation, doing-the-right-thing, heavy-is-the-head..., etc etc

But I think the generational thang will be eclipsed by timeless constants like Contract Law & legal exposures somewhat, regardless of public opinion fueled by the banal social media.

Kroenke, Demoff et al cannot be enjoying this.....and I'm with them.

I am amused that some here see Sean McVay as a guy who walks on water, or as one who can take a couple of fish & a few loaves of bread and cater a whole wedding.
I've never viewed McVay that way.

We'll see what eventuates.

[ramman2999]

At some point you have to move on as an organization.

I understand the Rams they don’t want to rumple his feathers. But I do think Mcvay is looking at all his options.

It was a tough season. But it’s not like L.A. is New York. Most of the critism goes to the Lakers. He can still do his thing here.

The fact that this came up after winning a super bowl. The pinnacle of his career says a lot. Then again at the lowest point of his career.

Mcvays problem is he can’t enjoy it. Just take it and say it’s a pleasure doing this.

He has issues. Before he comes back he needs to handle those issues. Vermeil changed. What made vermeil a hall of famer his impact on the game.

Is Mcvay a hall of famer I don’t know. What separates him from Doug Pederson. He’s gotta bounce back from this. You can’t end your ram career on this.

If it’s money Kronkie got money. Does he want to go to Amazon and just bro it out with his boy Whitworth?

When Jay Glazier talked about Mental Health and Mcvay was like what’s that? And Whitworth was like come on we all have that. Mcvay was naive. That’s telling. He doesn’t recognize his own mental health.

Footballs not a sport where you can dip in and out of. He’s gotta get that balance. Hiring a Kliff Kingsbury will help. Let somebody else come up with the game plan and script.


Hopefully this is all worked out by Monday. I’m pretty sure he’s in full communication with Raheem Morris.

We shall see. Rams aren’t giving up any more big draft compensation.

And Les Sneed is busy doing his draft scouting.

[PARAM]

The answer is - he's been lousy. I think his career record is 79-88 without Brady.

Yes with Cleveland and New England.But for the sake of fairness (because Brady couldn't help BB while at Michigan or high school) just take the Patriot years.

After Brady became the starter (week 3 of 2001) it's a more respectable 38-31 (.551) without him. However, compared to his record in New England with Brady, 219-64 (.774) it's terrible. That difference (.223) is worth almost 4 wins in a 17 game season. He missed the playoffs twice in 19 years with Brady under center. He's missed the playoffs twice in 3 years without him. Throw in that .732 postseason win pct. with Brady and the .333 win pct without him (Cleveland & N.E.) and it's even worse.

So yeah, without Brady, Belichick career averages about a 7-8 record. Only marginally better than a Jeff Fisher.

McVay, on the other hand is (regular and postseason) 48-30 without Stafford (.615) and 19-11 (.633) with him. The difference (.018) is about a 1/3 of a win over a 17 game season. Not exactly the same disparity as Belichick/Brady. But it does show up big in the postseason!