[CanuckRightWinger]

DEALING WITH CYBER NAGGING
So, per the self-appointed forum hallway monitor from Pennsylvania:

If some fans fret about Ram OL talent/expenditure levels, then you are a disloyal chicken-little alarmist with Alzheimer's who thinks they know more than McSnead.

If your stated worries about potential lousy Ram OL performance happen to come to on-the-field fruition for us, well then you are a broken clock, or a squirrel with nut-luck.

Guys like the hallway monitor love to project personal profiles upon their fellow RFU posters with conflicting views to his. By definition, that practice is simply continual personal criticism. BUT...it's what he does......fucking repeatedly.....analyzing what motivates a fan's personal opinion, and more times than not, diagnosing some mental disorder to the poster with the opposing view....depression, dimentia, living-in-the-past, etc etc.
I call it Cyber-Nagging....

and,
I find it's pretty easy to deal with...
just picture Hillary PosterGirlFor"DreadfulWife" Clinton nagging Bill Clinton about how many of those expensive cigars he keeps going through.....and Bill IThought"Harass"WasTwoWords! Clinton just sporting that sly smile.
Or if that image gets stale, I picture Hillary WorstSecretaryOfStateEver! Clinton scolding Israel for downplaying the benefits of 'The Arab Spring'!

With verbal nagging....it helps if you can just tune it out.
With CyberNagging, with the personal insults right there printed in black&white....
I find you've gotta be more inventive....
morphing it into something more comical seems to work for me.

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I find it's pretty easy to deal with...

Sure you do. You do what Ramsdude called "that childish bullshit" by responding with a personal attack to a post quoting someone other than yourself. A self appointed board cop? A twisted combination of Bob Probert and Dudley Do-Right? Go easy on the poutine....constipation and a miserable disposition are an angry combination.....and if I'm not talking directly to you, keep my name out your foul fucking mouth.

Speaking of comical...... @ the Bob Probert comparison........I'm pretty sure Probert never got his ass kicked at a St. Louis piano bar!!

I'm sure Max appreciates your defense....councilor. I think AvengerRam has the right idea!!! I'm out. Discussing NFL football with one angry loudmouth Canadian is about as educational as discussing blowjobs with a eunuch.

[Hacksaw]

I really like hearing from both of you but not when you're speaking to each other..

[PARAM]

1. True, They thought Bruss was gonna be plug and play. But how often does a 3rd rounder become a plug and play? 10% maybe. Not good odds regardless of the number. They put themselves in that position by not thinking ahead.

You got me thinking about that. Many years ago at RRF I started keeping track of all the draft picks (I was a lot younger with a lot more time) each year with a running tab. It was interesting, so I decided to just look at the 3rd round for the last three years.

24 OL went off the board in the third round the last three years. 8, 8 and 8.

In 2020 and 2021, 4 of them started at least 15 games their rookie season. That's 25%. 6 of them started at least 13 games in year 2 (five, 16 or more). That's 37%. This year the numbers have gone up. Of the 8 drafted in the third round 4 have started every game in 2022. I think we'd have to say, the odds are a lot better than 10%. Somewhere between 25% and 33%. Will Bruss become a starter? We'll see.

[ramsman34]

You got me thinking about that. Many years ago at RRF I started keeping track of all the draft picks (I was a lot younger with a lot more time) each year with a running tab. It was interesting, so I decided to just look at the 3rd round for the last three years.

24 OL went off the board in the third round the last three years. 8, 8 and 8.

In 2020 and 2021, 4 of them started at least 15 games their rookie season. That's 25%. 6 of them started at least 13 games in year 2 (five, 16 or more). That's 37%. This year the numbers have gone up. Of the 8 drafted in the third round 4 have started every game in 2022. I think we'd have to say, the odds are a lot better than 10%. Somewhere between 25% and 33%. Will Bruss become a starter? We'll see.

Interesting and not surprising. Bruss was touted to start the season at OG. Couldn’t win the gig. He stays healthy and he’s starting at some point this season as there would have been injuries as we have seen, painfully. And he might just have improved enough anyway. We won’t know until next season.

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You got me thinking about that. Many years ago at RRF I started keeping track of all the draft picks (I was a lot younger with a lot more time) each year with a running tab. It was interesting, so I decided to just look at the 3rd round for the last three years.

24 OL went off the board in the third round the last three years. 8, 8 and 8.

In 2020 and 2021, 4 of them started at least 15 games their rookie season. That's 25%. 6 of them started at least 13 games in year 2 (five, 16 or more). That's 37%. This year the numbers have gone up. Of the 8 drafted in the third round 4 have started every game in 2022. I think we'd have to say, the odds are a lot better than 10%. Somewhere between 25% and 33%. Will Bruss become a starter? We'll see.

Interesting. But you have to be careful how you quantify hits and misses. Simply starting games can be deceptive. Evans has started games from his rookie year, he certainly isn't a hit.

I think it requires a closer look at the quality of the player. There needs to be a threshold of performance before we can label the player a hit.

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Interesting. But you have to be careful how you quantify hits and misses. Simply starting games can be deceptive. Evans has started games from his rookie year, he certainly isn't a hit.

I think it requires a closer look at the quality of the player. There needs to be a threshold of performance before we can label the player a hit.

Oh absolutely. We should also take into account the talent on the O line that he sent to the bench by starting.

There's another way to evaluate whether you can find starting OL in the 3rd round (or any other round). Look around the NFL at who all the teams have starting right now.

For instance of the 8 division leaders (40 lineman), just 18 were drafted in the first two rounds. That leaves 22 from the 3rd round down. I think it's safe to say, with those kind of percentages, you don't need to use early round picks to find a quality starter.

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Interesting and not surprising. Bruss was touted to start the season at OG. Couldn’t win the gig. He stays healthy and he’s starting at some point this season as there would have been injuries as we have seen, painfully. And he might just have improved enough anyway. We won’t know until next season.

Well more accurately he didn't win a starting spot before he was injured. Who knows if he would have been in there by week 2 or 4 or 6 even if the OL stayed healthy. IIRC, even Orlando Pace didn't start from week 1.

[ramsman34]

You can find top quality OL in mid rounds if the draft and in FA. We had a good stable of guys. Many got injured early and we lost 4 games. Perhaps we get Shelton and Edwards back quickly and can salvage the season. But, we HAVE to win 7 of 10 to make the playoffs with his the NFC is lined up right now. Can’t count on the teams ahead of us faltering.

Me thinks we will be acquiring a significant number and quality of OL in the off season as well as an edge rusher and probably RB and depending on OBJx a WR unless they think McClutch will become a star.

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For instance of the 8 division leaders (40 lineman), just 18 were drafted in the first two rounds. That leaves 22 from the 3rd round down. I think it's safe to say, with those kind of percentages, you don't need to use early round picks to find a quality starter.

I wanted to expand on that last part....

Of course if you have a first round pick and are in need of a LT, it's nice to know you can take one if he's there. But that's a double edge sword. You get the franchise LT, you're eventually going to have to pay him. And if that takes money from the skill positions, that's a problem too.

Who's the best (or one of the best) LT in the NFL? Trent Williams? He's been paid well but how many SBs has he helped win? 0. Maybe he'll get that elusive Lombo this year. Or maybe he won't. He's finally got some talented skill guys around him in Deebo, McM, Aiyuk and Kittle. Who are the top 5 and how many Lombardis do they own? Tunsil? 0 Ronnie Stanley? 0.

Every roster has cap restraints. It's a balance and it would apppear McSnead have a certain dollar amount dedicated to OL. With 2 Superbowls/ 1 Lombardi it's hard to argue against that. Unless they're devastated by injury. But that can happen no matter what the OL allocation happens to be.