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All we have right now is theories of course. No one pretends any different.

But most of the theories are along the lines of looking for bad things Goff did and/or trying to find smart motives in McVay and Snead.

Well as long as we're on theory road, let's go the distance.

Why isn't all this happening because of bad things McVay did. Like, taking a little qb resistance or back talk (which is normal) the wrong way. Or punishing a player for 2 bad turnover games (which is not smart coaching). Or like blaming the deficiencies of his offense on having the wrong kind of qb (not working with what he has etc). Or actually believing that throwing a guy under the bus in public is a good motivational tactic ( ). Or not knowing how to tailor your offense to the strengths of your qb (example: Goff has good numbers in the redzone, yet the team has mediocre numbers scoring in the redzone, which means they don't pass in the redzone...in spite it being a potential strength). And then blaming the qb for not fitting into your square hole.

I could go on. There's all sorts of possibilities.

I mean as long as we know nothing, and are in theory ville, might as well be full and complete theory wise. It could be Goff, it could be McVay, it could be both.

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[PARAM]

All we have right now is theories of course. No one pretends any different.

Why isn't all this happening because of bad things McVay did. Like, taking a little qb resistance or back talk (which is normal) the wrong way. Or punishing a player for 2 bad turnover games (which is not smart coaching). Or like blaming the deficiencies of his offense on having the wrong kind of qb (not working with what he has etc). Or actually believing that throwing a guy under the bus in public is a good motivational tactic ( ). Or not knowing how to tailor your offense to the strengths of your qb (example: Goff has good numbers in the redzone, yet the team has mediocre numbers scoring in the redzone, which means they don't pass in the redzone...in spite it being a potential strength). And then blaming the qb for not fitting into your square hole.

I could go on. There's all sorts of possibilities.

I mean as long as we know nothing, and are in theory ville, might as well be full and complete theory wise. It could be Goff, it could be McVay, it could be both.

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Perhaps it's not as easy tailoring the offense to the strengths of the QB if you're already tailoring the offense to compensate for a weak pass blocking OL.

[ramsman34]

Perhaps it's not as easy tailoring the offense to the strengths of the QB if you're already tailoring the offense to compensate for a weak pass blocking OL.

Therein lies the rub; Goff’s strengths are not as accessible with this OL and his weakness are exacerbated. That’s what my eyes have been telling me. But, as ZN eluded, nothing but theories and we just don’t have the inside scoop like the coaches/front office do.

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Perhaps it's not as easy tailoring the offense to the strengths of the QB if you're already tailoring the offense to compensate for a weak pass blocking OL.

Therein lies the rub; Goff’s strengths are not as accessible with this OL and his weakness are exacerbated. That’s what my eyes have been telling me. But, as ZN eluded, nothing but theories and we just don’t have the inside scoop like the coaches/front office do.

That's all true IMO.

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[aeneas1]

still trying to wrap my head around why some think an "open competition" between goff and wolford, wolford, sounds good... hell, i'd be much more interested in an open competition between goff and bortles... the thought of wolford having a chance to be the rams starting qb headed into the 2021 season, the thought of everyone at the rams camp thinking wolford is the guy to lead the rams in 2021, would make me worry very much about the direction this team is headed.

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[ramsman34]

Who is better, in MCV’s offense, Goff or Darnold? I’m sure everyone will use stats to show Goff is better. But is he in this O? Saleh has not committed to him and has the #2 pick. Perhaps he wants his own guy and would trade Darnold. And if the Rams wanted to make that trade, I wonder what it would take to do so? Of course, Goff would have to be traded in any scenario where the Rams trade for another QB.

[aeneas1]

Who is better, in MCV’s offense, Goff or Darnold? I’m sure everyone will use stats to show Goff is better. But is he in this O?

thing is, what is "mcvay's offense"? what is "this o"?

mcvay's 2019 and especially 2020 offenses were nothing like his 2017-2018 offenses, so what offense are we talking about in terms of how another qb would fit? frankly i'm not sure i want to see how another qb does in mcvay's 2020 offense, an offense that fielded 2 wr on 1st and 2nd downs so often, an offense that didn't throw to rbs, an offense that didn't feature tight ends despite early season success...

anyway, at this point, i think the majority of rams would love to see any other qb than goff, and i think they would love to see darnold, hell a lot of rams would love to see wolford take over, they think he did great... this shit feels like the twilight zone to me.

[moklerman]

Who is better, in MCV’s offense, Goff or Darnold? I’m sure everyone will use stats to show Goff is better. But is he in this O? Saleh has not committed to him and has the #2 pick. Perhaps he wants his own guy and would trade Darnold. And if the Rams wanted to make that trade, I wonder what it would take to do so? Of course, Goff would have to be traded in any scenario where the Rams trade for another QB.

Someone connected the dots that the new GM of the Lions is an ex-Ram and was supposedly very influential about the Rams drafting Goff in the first place? If so, maybe they're planning on moving on from Stafford and then trading for Goff?

I really don't know what McVay is looking for. I'd imagine some mobility would be welcomed but I think his disappointment with Goff has more to do with decision making and seeing things differently than McVay does.

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still trying to wrap my head around why some think an "open competition" between goff and wolford, wolford, sounds good... hell, i'd be much more interested in an open competition between goff and bortles... the thought of wolford having a chance to be the rams starting qb headed into the 2021 season, the thought of everyone at the rams camp thinking wolford is the guy to lead the rams in 2021, would make me worry very much about the direction this team is headed.

You know what? I don't know what to think because this year totally zapped my brain. Avenger's thread "Maybe McVay is really an asshole" raises yet another angle but from everything we've seen (and admittedly that's not enough to know for sure) it doesn't seem so. Even if it doesn't matter.

Other suppositions include Wolford = McVay that never was. A kind of tongue in cheek angle. But....

Maybe in 1998 as a 12 year old, he rooted for Steve Young but wouldn't he have really loved Doug Flutie, having so much in common vertically?

Poor Flute!! After getting a 2nd chance in the NFL, he played his ass off for Wade up in Buffalo. 21-9 from 98-00 except he wasn't Rob Johnson, prototype modern QB. He was 12-17 for the same team. Those Bills were 29-19 from 98-00, twice in the playoffs but losing in the wild card round both time. All you have to do is read the saga of Flutie/Johnson in Buffalo and it's clear Flutie was screwed. I'm not saying he would have been another Brees but he played better than Rob Johnson. RJ had 1 great game with the Jags in 3 years and it got him traded to Buffalo for a 1st and 4th. And then it wasn't until the end of his second year, after Wade had already chosen Flutie, Johnson had another great game. Although that's just 2 in 5 years, Ralph Wilson wanted RJ and it's understandable for what he paid to get him. Wade gets canned after Buffalo misses the playoff at 8-8 (after 21-11 in 98 and 99) and Greg Williams got the RJ mandate and cut Flutie, who signed with San Diego and sucked. No surprise figuring SD went 18-46 the previous 4 years. Flutie had to beat out Ryan Leaf. Then Brees took over for DF in 2002.

Wolford had a decent first start for the Rams. Not Flutie-like but decent. He got clocked. And the hit didn't really look terrible....hard yes, in a precarious position, sure....but if you're matchbook under 6 feet tall, there will be more if you continue to run. For sure.

Maybe McVay is simply trying to execute Flutie's revenge with Wolford. But it probably wouldn't turn out half that good. I do know this much though. If a coach chooses another over a high (and expensive) drafted California kid, who seemed to have earned a great contract, and fails, he's soon looking for work. Just ask any former or current NFL head coach. And it doesn't matter whether the coach is a successful nice guy or a successful asshole. If he's not successful after a clusterfuck, he's gone.

Now I hope that doesn't happen. I hope if he replaces Goff he's extremely successful (for strictly selfish reasons). I hope if he keeps Goff, he's extremely successful also. The strange thing here is, he has been extremely successful with Goff already. So we'll see.