[ramsman34]

As long as we are playing what if. What if we dodge the injury bug? Perhaps the OL would be good enough and we’d have 1-2 more wins right now.

[ramsman34]

Also, with the exact same OL as last year we still wouldn’t be running the ball well as we were shit at that last year with THAT OL.

Just sayin

[AvengerRam]

Here’s a simple test:

Add your IQ and your age.

If you think that perfect hindsight is a fair and appropriate basis for criticism, your number is below 110.

If you disagree with that, try again… you added wrong.

[ramsman34]

Lol. In fairness, I believe both Max and Canuck talked about some of these things a while ago. So it’s not totally revisionist.

That said, give me concrete and plausible solutions - don’t sign/extend this guy, use the money to sign that guy. Hers how the contract would look, here’s how I feel that guy would be available, etc. can’t make one side of the argument without the solution. The Humphrey one is the easier to defend. That move was just plain dumb. Even. It knowing Creed would become an instant stud. Smurf is a failed experiment.

[AvengerRam]

Lol. In fairness, I believe both Max and Canuck talked about some of these things a while ago. So it’s not totally revisionist.

That said, give me concrete and plausible solutions - don’t sign/extend this guy, use the money to sign that guy. Hers how the contract would look, here’s how I feel that guy would be available, etc. can’t make one side of the argument without the solution. The Humphrey one is the easier to defend. That move was just plain dumb. Even. It knowing Creed would become an instant stud. Smurf is a failed experiment.

For the umpteenth (and last) time:

1. Many people (myself included) targeted Creed Humphrey in the 2021 draft.

2. Most people (myself included) expressed some degree of concern regarding the OL.

3. NOBODY predicted we’d have this many injuries or that the OL would be this bad.

[ramsman34]

I am aware of all that. I’m saying to everyone chirping about it to provide some concrete moves the SHOULD have been made vs the ones that were, having the value of hindsight of course. Because NO ONE did that before with the exception of the one most of us were and still are pissed about - Creed.

If people want to shit on each other over this instead of argue the posts, have at it. Not my cup o’ tea. And I can be an acute asshole when I feel like it. Lol

Me: I was good with signing Boom. Though he had the tools to be a really good LT. I was good with Bruss. He looked physical and had Badger pedigree. Figured in both cases the Rams were right. They couldn’t resign Corbett bc they had other deals to do; Staff, AD, Kupp. I was good with Allen too. I really liked Anchrum, and A Jax, and Arcuri as depth. Have not been a big fan of Edwards and at times Hav but both are better than average. Have never liked Evans. So I sure didn’t have any other concrete solutions. Loved the Robinson signing. Expected soooo much more form Akers. KNEW we had a problem at edge but had hope for Lewis and Garrett who got released.

That’s my story on it.

[PARAM]

Lol. In fairness, I believe both Max and Canuck talked about some of these things a while ago. So it’s not totally revisionist.

Well to be honest it was mostly "we shoulda drafted Creed Humphrey" (two drafts ago) like he would make this current O line into a mauling unit. Put Humphrey between Jackson/Evans and Oboushi/Havenstein and you still have a 2nd rate OL. And hell Humphrey should be glad they didn't draft him, he'd prolly be on IR by now.

Nobody, not even the two "Creed will haunt us for decades" celebrators predicted the injuries and once the injuries began....which was immediately.....it's completely impossible to say "with the original 5 healthy, this OL would have still sucked". JMHO

Of course what do I know about football?

[max]

Well sure. Hindsight being 20-20. They thought they drafted a plug and play replacement for Corbett, they whiffed big time on Humphrey. They had tape on Boom showing quality performance against playoff caliber opponents and who was going to play LT if not Boom?, who was out #2 WR supposed to be? And if you say VJ at #2 then serious drop off at #3.

See what you’re saying, don’t see plausible solutions.

1. True, They thought Bruss was gonna be plug and play. But how often does a 3rd rounder become a plug and play? 10% maybe. Not good odds regardless of the number. They put themselves in that position by not thinking ahead.

2. Yup. Whiffed big time on Humphrey. Everyone agrees on that. Funny thing here is that last year some posters were saying that even though they had Humphrey as the Rams pick, they were giving the Rams the benefit of the doubt and would not criticize the Atwell pick. But now they want to look as though they knew the pick was wrong all along. Total weasel move.

3. I never felt good about Noteboom. I thought the odds were against him being both good enough and durable enough. They needed to put the money that they put into ARob into acquiring a better LT.

4. They probably were better off just keeping Woods, assuming he was a lot cheaper than adding ARob.

5. I get that their hands were financially tied, but they certainly didn't do as well as they should have even if they couldn't get it all done. What grade would you give them for their personal moves heading into this year?

[Hacksaw]

Also, with the exact same OL as last year we still wouldn’t be running the ball well as we were shit at that last year with THAT OL.

Just sayin

This is the main argument for the 'they they should have done something' group. There were already warts and 2 of the best players from that line were removed either by free agency or retirement.

In fairness to the FO they did draft a guard and brought in / up a couple other wide bodies their as backups.

Are any of those backups good enough to start? They're 'a backup' so no, but one at a time might have worked out. The rash of injuries was not predictable. The lack of acquiring better backups over the years could be. But I don't think the flat overlooked it.

I had trepidation about this oline, and last years, and the year before that. But we won a title with it so I deferred. Everyone was wrong but hindsight is always an easy read.

The minute Whitworth came on board the line improved mightily though. That should give us hope that we're only a player or 2 away from fixing that unit. It sure would be great if they could do that today but I'm not holding my breath.

[PARAM]

1. True, They thought Bruss was gonna be plug and play. But how often does a 3rd rounder become a plug and play? 10% maybe. Not good odds regardless of the number. They put themselves in that position by not thinking ahead.

Creed Humphrey was the #63 pick in the 2021 draft. The third round started with #65.

2. Yup. Whiffed big time on Humphrey. Everyone agrees on that. Funny thing here is that last year some posters were saying that even though they had Humphrey as the Rams pick, they were giving the Rams the benefit of the doubt and would not criticize the Atwell pick. But now they want to look as though they knew the pick was wrong all along. Total weasel move.

Who has said that? IMHO, that's a total weasel accusation.

3. I never felt good about Noteboom. I thought the odds were against him being both good enough and durable enough. They needed to put the money that they put into ARob into acquiring a better LT.

4. They probably were better off just keeping Woods, assuming he was a lot cheaper than adding ARob.

Woods and ARob's 2022 salary were basically a wash. But Woods was coming off an ACL. You don't want to bank on Noteboom because he missed 10 games in 2019 and the last 2 games in 2021 but you'd bank on a WR coming off an ACL.....when they were already banking on another WR with an ACL in February? And you call that "better planning"? Bill Polian you ain't!!

5. I get that their hands were financially tied, but they certainly didn't do as well as they should have even if they couldn't get it all done.

Yebbit, yebbit, yebbit.