[Fire407]

I think the owners liked Spanos at the time and didn't want to hurt his feelings with an open vote, but I think the vote was always going to be the Rams in Inglewood. I believe the whole Carson project was just a scam created by Spanos and Davis as an effort to keep the Rams out of LA. I don't think the Carson Stadium would have ever been built. Even Goldman Saks had balked on how much support they were giving it and Spanos and Davis never could have afforded it. If they had by some miracle gotten the award, then I think they would have continued the scam until the Rams had a new deal in St. Louis, and then both the Raiders and Chargers would have worked on new deals in their cities. They just wanted to keep LA empty.

[snackdaddy]

I think the owners liked Spanos at the time and didn't want to hurt his feelings with an open vote, but I think the vote was always going to be the Rams in Inglewood. I believe the whole Carson project was just a scam created by Spanos and Davis as an effort to keep the Rams out of LA. I don't think the Carson Stadium would have ever been built. Even Goldman Saks had balked on how much support they were giving it and Spanos and Davis never could have afforded it. If they had by some miracle gotten the award, then I think they would have continued the scam until the Rams had a new deal in St. Louis, and then both the Raiders and Chargers would have worked on new deals in their cities. They just wanted to keep LA empty.

I agree with this. I was always skeptical of the motives for Carson. Like you said, the other owners felt loyal to Spanos and wanted to appease him as much as possible. That is why they gave him the first option to move to LA with the Rams.

They knew Stan's venue was far superior and Stan had the resources to get it done. Dean's resources were not a sure thing. Once they went to a secret vote they could vote their conscience and not worry about Dean knowing what they did. But when it ended up 30-2 he knew he didn't have the friends he thought he had.

I have to wonder if his moving to LA was sticking it to his "Loyal Friends" for not backing him? Because they do not have the fan base they had in San Diego. I'm sure the owners are secretly not happy with his decision to move. He's going to cost them a lot of money with the lack of support. Heck, the Raiders woulda been the better option for the league. They still have plenty of support in LA.

[St. Loser Fan]

[aeneas1]

uh oh, stadium construction stops in its tracks, never to see an occupant, stan becomes a panhandler.

[St. Loser Fan]

uh oh, stadium construction stops in its tracks, never to see an occupant, stan becomes a panhandler.

I feel sorry for Stan. Reduced to shopping at Aldi. Taking the bus. Canceling his Netflix after their most recent price increase. Next step is begging his neighbors for their WiFi password.

[AvengerRam]

I feel sorry for Stan. Reduced to shopping at Aldi. Taking the bus. Canceling his Netflix after their most recent price increase. Next step is begging his neighbors for their WiFi password.

If only his wife had her own money...

[Hacksaw]

If only his wife had her own money...

Her boat doesn't suck.

Zuckerberg's is much larger though. 357 ft. That's as long as a Canadian football pitch including their deep end zones.

The photo's are taken from the top deck of a cruise ship in Palm Beach last month.

[St. Loser Fan]

Things have quickly turned around for poor Stan.



As the Bowery King said in John Wick 2: “DAMN! We're going to Applebee's!”

[Hacksaw]

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cri ... 469ac.html

BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. • The deal that allowed the Rams to leave St. Louis has now given the team a parting gift — its 27-acre practice facility in Earth City, worth at least $12.7 million.

An arbitration panel ruled on Wednesday that an option in the Rams training camp lease allows the departed National Football League team to buy the buildings, fields and grounds from the public in 2024 for just $1.

“I’m disappointed,” said St. Louis Regional Convention and Sports Complex Authority board chairman Jim Shrewsbury. “It’s a significant asset, and it’s worth a significant amount of value.”

The sports complex authority, a public agency supported by St. Louis, St. Louis County and Missouri taxpayers, owns the Dome at the America’s Center, where the Rams played, and the practice grounds, then called Rams Park. It leased the park to the team for $25,000 a year.

That property, which also housed team offices, was once appraised by St. Louis County for nearly $19 million. But building values dropped, and it was appraised in 2019 for $12.7 million.

The park was vacant for about a year. In 2017, the youth soccer program Lou Fusz Athletic leased the land from the authority. It rents fields for youth leagues and other programs.

Lou Fusz Athletic Managing Director Dan Gargan and Rams Chief Operating Officer Kevin Demoff could not be reached for comment.

The fight began three years ago. After Rams owner Stan Kroenke blasted the region and NFL owners approved the Rams relocation to Los Angeles, the team invoked an option in the lease that allowed it to buy the facility after its 29th year there.

The sports complex authority sued.

Shrewsbury argued then that the authority needed to sell the land and refill bank accounts drained by efforts to plan a new riverfront stadium and keep the Rams in St. Louis, which totaled more than $16 million. The authority also needed the money for facility upkeep.

The parties didn’t dispute that the lease gave the Rams the right to buy Rams Park for $1, nor that the option “shall survive any termination of the Lease regardless of the reason for such termination, and Lessee shall after any termination continue to have the right to exercise the Option as herein provided.”

The lawsuit filed by authority attorneys Blitz, Bardgett & Deutsch argued that the Rams’ departure didn’t terminate the lease; the Rams went year-to-year, and the lease simply expired.

The $1 option would survive a termination, but not an expiration, the authority attorneys argued.

Moreover, they said, the lease gave the Rams the option forever, without an end date — and the law does not allow someone to tie up a property in perpetuity.

The Rams argued that the option survived to 2024, the end of the original 30-year lease, regardless of how the lease ended.


In November of 2017, the Missouri Supreme Court sent the suit to arbitration.

The three-member panel heard arguments last month.

Arbitrators Harriet O’Neill, Kathleen A. Blatz and Edna R. Sussman ruled on Wednesday that the option “survived the ending of the Lease, is valid and enforceable by the Rams, and was timely exercised.”

Moreover, they said, the option itself does not violate Missouri law, as authority attorneys had argued.

They awarded the sports authority about $80,000 in maintenance and repair costs for mold remediation, artificial turf upkeep, computer replacement, and gate, door, camera, window, drywall and bathroom repairs, among other things.

The panel gave the Rams attorneys fees regarding the option, and the sports authority attorneys fees for their work on repair costs, all figures still to be worked out. The ruling is an interim one until those details are final.

This case is one of at least four filed by St. Louis plaintiffs after the Rams left for LA.

A class-action suit on behalf of thousands of personal seat license holders settled in December for $24 million against the Rams. A judge recently granted class-action status to another suit, brought by fans looking to get money back from ticket and merchandise sales.

The last and largest suit, also filed by the sports complex authority, alleges the Rams and the NFL purposefully misled and defrauded the region, among other claims, as the team prepared to move from St. Louis to LA.

“Arbitration is always an uphill battle for the plaintiff,” said Shrewsbury, the authority chair. “It’s really the only lawsuit we’ve lost, or decision that’s gone against us, since this whole thing began.”

[St. Loser Fan]

Most likely Stan will flip the property for a profit. The Earth City facility is surrounded by light industrial, offices and warehouses. Right next door is the local Miller Coors distribution center. He’s not going to build a WalMart for his wife’s family.

A couple new warehouse/distro centers were built nearby in the last year or two so the market is filling a need. But IIRC Stan doesn’t do that sort of real estate.