[PARAM]

Hey PA, hold the presses....you missed OG Rokevious Watkins!!!

Oh wait, he was a Snisher pick. Damn!!!
BUT, like alot of the other names you posted.......they are just names, just like Rokevious.... y'know, low Rounder Picks, or UDFAs......but hey, if you rack up ENOUGH FRIGGIN NAMES....
it could be shown that your regime really, really, really....prioritizes the OL!
EG. Jamil Demby, a University of Maine Black Bear OT.....now what the fuck could ever go wrong with that #192 pick back in 2018, eh???!!!

Keep racking up those names of guys though.....like Bobby Evans....
who demonstrated how much the present regime valued OL talent & how well they evaluated it.

Spare me the BS, and follow the J.Edgar Hoover advice and follow the fooking money!!!
OverTheCap.com does not lie about which teams paid how much each year for various Positional Expenditures. For Los Ramos from 2017-2022....it was bottom percentiles.....varying....but never ever in the top half of NFL Positional Spending from the McSnead regime on OL.
NEVER!!

Look it up, ace!

You can tell your a lifelong transportation guy. Those goalposts are always moving!!!! First it's the OL coach. Next it's the round they draft their O lineman. Then it's how healthy they can or can't remain. Finally, it's the money they spend on their OL. Tell me something genius.....of the teams who spend more on O line, how does it equate to success? It's easy to say, "these teams spend more than the Rams on OL, you can look it up". It's completely another to say, "because these teams spend more on OL than the Rams, they're more successful". In fact, one has nothing to do with the other.

Looking at the heart of your (current) evidence (OTC "Positional Spending") proves it. You're always talking about your job, budgets, etc so I know you know how to use a calculator. I added the playoff teams ranking for OL spending and used division to get an average. Did it for the final 4 playoff teams too. Then I put the calculator down and looked where the SB champ ranked. I found money spent on OL has nothing to do with success. But you are using that bullshit angle like the drunk uses the lamp post....for support rather than illumination.

Averages >>>>>>>
2017: Playoff teams? #16 / Final 4? #18 / SB Champ? #6
2018: Playoff teams? #18 / Final 4? #15 / SB Champs? #29
2019: Playoff teams? #16 / Final 4? #10 / SB Champs? #21
2020: Playoff teams? #16 / Final 4? #7 / SB Champs? #6
2021: Playoff teams? #17 / Final 4? #25 / SB Champs? #27
2022: Playoff teams? #18 / Final 4? #16 / SB Champs? #16

So clearly, what you're postulating is bullshit. Just like your annual claims about the OL being under prioritized. If you can think it, it must be true. If you can say it, even more so!! It all stems from 2019, when the Rams missed the postseason and you, being one of those typical angry fans, had to "blow off steam". You know. "My team got eliminated (or didn't make the postseason) so I have a right to vent about any bullshit I want". It was losing Saffold. It was Kromer. It was Noteboom. It was Allen. Betting on the utes!! You're invested in that angle so heavily, you can't change. Adding to the problem was the passing over of one Creed Humphrey, the guy you (and 500 other Ram fans) had labeled to go when #57 came around. So you had butt hurt and went off on another rant. Except that year, the Rams won the fucking Superbowl!!! That should have been a sign to ease up on your crap!!!

Playoff teams from 2017 to 2022 average #16.8 in OL spending. That's middle of the fucking pack! The final 4 playoff teams average #15.2. Again, middle of the pack. SB Champs average #11.5. Not even top 10. Find something else to complain about, like the uniform design or how ugly (or not) the cheerleaders happen to be!!!

[Elvis]

So....Carberry had no communication issues with McVay during the 2021 SB run, but in 2022 it suddenly became the Tower of Babel between them?

Okay, that's one way to view it, I guess.

This is a strawman. Who claims any such thing?

Again, nuance.

I said Carberry was ultimately an inadequate replacement for Kromer.

You seem to think it has to be all or nothing from day 1?

I doubt it works like that...

[CanuckRightWinger]

Strawman? Huh?

You said that it was possible that Carberry was an inadequate replacement for Kromer and then went on to reference some Jourdan Rodrigue media quip about Carberry having 2022 communication issues.

I said that was one way to look at it, but pointed out Carberry won a SBLVI ring with McVay the year before, presumably with adequate communications with McVay (as I assume Carberry's alleged 2022 communication issue was with McVay, because it's McVay who fired Carberry).

My question had nothing at all to do with Kromer. My question was if everybody from Demoff on down gets off the crapfest 5-12 season hook due to "apocalyptic 2022 OL injuries", then how come OL Coach Carberry didn't get the same do-over consideration. You cited Rodrigue.

Nuance is about subtlety and distinctions.....shades of grey stuff.
But from your context, you were saying all those OL injuries could've impacted the Rams 2022 season,
AND....
that (at the same time) Carberry could've been an inadequate OL Coach replacement.

To me, you are talking about synchronicity, IE. a meaningful coincidence of two or more events....IE.
Ram OL injuries
Carberry poor communication
....and that's Carl Jung stuff.

I don't get where nuance comes into this question of why Carberry didn't get spared when all his charges are either hurt or brand new to the system. Yet the management guys above Carberry remained in their positions, on the basis of those same OL injuries.
Seemed unfair to me....

But, could Carberry had communications issues with McVay in 2022? Sure.
Could Carberry have maybe gotten a DUI after smashing into a Van Nuys US PostBox in 2022? Sure.
Could Carberry have maybe gone to a 2022 house party & inappropriately entered the hostess's bedroom late at night? Sure.
....and those are sins that McVay has historically dealt with via terminations.

Did those things happen simultaneous to the massive Ram OL injuries? Who knows?
Did Carberry develop communication issues in 2022 simultaneous to the massive OL injuries? Who knows?

I opined that, unlike other more mildly-judged Ram employees, Carberry looked to get a crude & rough deal getting fired when his whole player group was banged-up. That's all.

[Elvis]

Strawman? Huh?

You said that it was possible that Carberry was an inadequate replacement for Kromer and then went on to reference some Jourdan Rodrigue media quip about Carberry having 2022 communication issues.

I said that was one way to look at it, but pointed out Carberry won a SBLVI ring with McVay the year before, presumably with adequate communications with McVay (as I assume Carberry's alleged 2022 communication issue was with McVay, because it's McVay who fired Carberry).

My question had nothing at all to do with Kromer. My question was if everybody from Demoff on down gets off the crapfest 5-12 season hook due to "apocalyptic 2022 OL injuries", then how come OL Coach Carberry didn't get the same do-over consideration. You cited Rodrigue.

Another strawman. Nobody is saying everyone gets off the hook. In fact you can look at the coaching changes to see that's clearly not the case.

Just because the injuries were a huge part of what went wrong in 2022, that doesn't mean they were the only problem.

Like i keep saying, nuance. It can be more than one thing. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.

I don't know how else to explain myself.

Also, my understanding is Carberry was bad at communicating with his players not with McVay. That's what Jourdan was saying.

And it's like you say, they won the SB in 2021. All of them: Demoff, Snead, McVay, Carberry, Brian Allen, lot of good Lombardi quality stuff in there.

So it stands to reason (to me anyway) that injuries were indeed a really big part of what went wrong in '22...

[PARAM]

You stated: "that lack of money (for OL) that Canuck complains about has gone to Gurley, Goff, Kupp..."
ME: Yes, correctamundo and ThankYou!
As you say, the McSnead regime has clearly prioritized playmakers (over OL) with Salary Cap Money ......and I would also add, with Draft Picks, too!
ie. NO PRIORITY MONEY (OR DRAFT PICKS) LEFT FOR OL AFTER PAYING GURLEY, GOFF, KUPP!! It was all there in OverTheCap.com's Positional Spending on OL is posted. Duh.

Do you actually read what you post?

No money to spend on OL?
Whitworth....3 years 33 mil...AT AGE 36 IN 2017!!!!! Then a 3 year 30 mil extension AT AGE 39!!!!
Havenstein....4 year extension (in 2018) 32 mil then a 3 year 34.5 mil extension in 2022
Noteboom.....3 years 40 mil in 2022

No, they don't spend money of OL!!! WTF?

What do you think Avila is gonna cost them if he converts to C and plays well?

Think it, it makes it true. Say it, it makes it more true. What a philosophy!!!! Sorta like, blame the OL coach....if that doesn't work, blame the draft slots.....if that doesn't work blame the draft evaluation.....if that doesn't work, blame the money spent on OL!!! Can't wait to see what complaint you come up with next, ace!

[Elvis]

Even Allen got a 3 year $18 mil contract after the SB…

[PARAM]

Even Allen got a 3 year $18 mil contract after the SB…

No, they don't have money to spend on OL.
They don't draft OL enough
They don't draft OL high enough
They don't win the SB.....ah, wait....they did win the SB but so what. Yeah, it's important but it's more important to find things to complain about!!!

Averages >>>>>>>
2017: Playoff teams? #16 / Final 4? #18 / SB Champ? #6
2018: Playoff teams? #18 / Final 4? #15 / SB Champs? #29
2019: Playoff teams? #16 / Final 4? #10 / SB Champs? #21
2020: Playoff teams? #16 / Final 4? #7 / SB Champs? #6
2021: Playoff teams? #17 / Final 4? #25 / SB Champs? #27
2022: Playoff teams? #18 / Final 4? #16 / SB Champs? #16

If that doesn't prove you don't need to lead the league in OL pay to be successful, I don't know what will. Sometimes, it's just so silly it's laughable.

And I was even wrong about the SB Champ average

SB Champs average #11.5. Not even top 10.

It's actually #17.3 on average. Not even top half of the NFL. Nothing fake about that news!!!

[Elvis]

No, they don't have money to spend on OL.
They don't draft OL enough
They don't draft OL high enough
They don't win the SB.....ah, wait....they did win the SB but so what. Yeah, it's important but it's more important to find things to complain about!!!

Let's not make this about bashing canuck.

You can argue the Rams made a mistake paying Noteboom and Allen but i think it's pretty hard to argue they don't invest and spend on Oline.

They drafted Noteboom with a 3, developed him, re signed him to a sizable 2nd contract and then made him the starting LT after Big Whit retired.

Maybe it was a bad plan (i'm sure Noteboom rupturing his Achilles wasn't part of it) but it's hard to argue the Rams didn't invest draft capital, time and money in their plan for life after AW.

Will be pretty wild if after all this, UDFA Alaric Jackson ends up the Rams LT, especially if he sticks...

[PARAM]

Let's not make this about bashing canuck.

Sure, I'll just turn the other cheek.

[Hacksaw]