by Stranger 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 3213 Joined: Aug 12 2015 Norcal Superstar Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #211 laram wrote:Be careful with Roggin. He's trying to hard. When this is all over, I'll share somethangs! Thank you. I've watched that guy since he got his start, and saw him more as a media personality than a journalist. Hence, while I'm not sure what you're referring to, I also haven't understood the trust and reliance being placed on his reporting. New HC. New L.A. Stadium. Future is Bright. by SoCalRam78 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 1087 Joined: May 25 2015 SoCal Pro Bowl Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #212 Roggin does a lot of self promotion crap. I think he has sources. But a lot of his Schtick is to get listeners. by laram 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 444 Joined: Sep 30 2015 LA Coliseum Starter Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #213 SoCalRam78 wrote:Roggin does a lot of self promotion crap. I think he has sources. But a lot of his Schtick is to get listeners.That's as good a description as you'll fine! by Elvis 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 41511 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #214 I've never really been a fan, and a lot of the time he's unlistenable, but he was one of the first in L.A. to really cover this story. And his reporting has been solid to this point, as far as i can tell. So, like it or not, i pay close attention to Fred Roggin... RFU Season Ticket Holder by AltiTude Ram 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 2460 Joined: Jul 09 2015 Denver Pro Bowl Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #215 Here's an article that explains the G4. http://newballpark.org/2013/10/17/the-l ... n-program/THE LIMITS OF THE NFL’S G-4 STADIUM LOAN PROGRAMLast week at the NFL owners meetings, the assembled owners approved a raft of small G-4 loans for current NFL stadia. The recipients include the Panthers ($37.5 million), Redskins ($27 million), and Browns ($62.5 million). Combine that with the $58 million the Packers received last year, and you’ve got nearly the amount of one full slots ($200 million) awarded to a team building a new stadium. The fund, a continuation of the G-3 program started with the previous CBA, has already assigned full slots for the 49ers, Falcons, and Vikings. All told that’s around $800 million. When the 49ers were starting construction, I figured that there was about $1 billion available, making for 4 new stadium slots and the rest for renovation work.Since the CBA was signed, the NFL’s revenues have risen at a 5% annual clip. 2011 produced $9 billion, 2012 yielded $9.5 billion. It stands to reason that the league will eclipse $10 billion either this year or next year. That’s a point of pride for commissioner Roger Goodell, who envisions the league reaching a whopping $25 billion in revenue by 2027. It’s that growth that may allow the NFL to loosen some pursestrings and provide more G-4 money.Rules are well set, with all projects falling into specific tranches of potential funding. After the $200 or $250 million limit, the NFL provides access to banking syndicates that provide much of the gap funding. So far the 49ers and Vikings have utilized this access. It’s definitely no giveaway. Team owners have to pony up at least $50 million to get started, and the NFL provides matching funds depending on the amount a team owner is willing to provide. Of course, there’s also a public share that comes into play, since the NFL will only provide access to G-4 loans if it sees what it considers a viable public-private partnership.The G-4 program has a set limit of 1.5% of annual revenue to fund various projects. In the first year of the current CBA, that amounted to $135 million. The loans are for as little as 15 years, so the annual payments can be quite high. For a $200 million loan at 7-9%, that’s up to $25 million per year. That translates to 4 full slots and the remainder for renovation work. However, if annual revenue rises above $10 billion that limit rises to $150 million, or 5 full slots and the renovation remainder. That could be huge for the remaining teams that haven’t yet finalized stadium deals, such as the Chargers, Rams, and Raiders. If the NFL chooses to base G-4 availability on initial revenue projections, the limit may be set at 4 slots, the same way the G-3 program slammed the door shut after 4 $150 million slots were awarded (DAL, IND, NY x 2). If the owners are comfortable with expanding the program, another slot just might open up. Three teams competing for two slots is a lot more comforting than all three competing for one award.Still, time is of the essence. Given the league’s previous history it seems unlikely that they’ll make huge loans in the back half of the CBA. The incentive is there for the owners and municipalities to act quickly. For now, the NFL has chosen to control the funding process through G-4, public funding, and the banking syndicates, instead of allowing a third party like AEG to buy its way into taking some revenue or a piece of a team. If you’re Goodell it makes sense. What he doesn’t want is for outsiders to chip away at what it considers “pure” revenue streams, nor does he want to set a precedent that team stakes are easily available in exchange for a stadium. With the three remaining teams, we may be coming to a point where he has no choice. The best way for the Raiders to stay in Oakland may be to exchange a minority share for a new Raiders Coliseum.Tim Kawakami had another chat with Mark Davis this week. Davis continues to play good cop with Oakland officials, while unnamed sources (league? team?) assume the bad cop role via Matier & Ross. Davis may not be negotiating through the media in public, but someone is. Davis say that Tuesday’s City Council vote is a “positive step” but there are many moving parts in getting the deal to work, whatever form it takes. If, as Kawakami surmises, Davis considers this the last chance to stay in Oakland, the bowl-cutted one is certainly giving the appearance of due diligence. Davis’s previous comments about the team’s share of a new Coliseum indicate that he’d be interested in one of the G-4 slots, since it would involve club seat and suite revenue. Davis will get to see everything develop right in front of him, which will inform his decision. Instead of deciding right after the current season ends, he could take a page out of his late father’s playbook. Al didn’t finalize the deal to move the Raiders back from LA to Oakland until July 1995.I remember that summer being a whirlwind of activity for the Raiders and A’s as I spent much of that year in the locker rooms. I wonder if we’re due for another whirlwind. by BuiltRamTough 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5357 Joined: May 15 2015 Los Angeles Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #216 I don't understand how alderman could vote on something when they don't know what it is lol We Not Me RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #217 Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by Elvis 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 41511 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #218 RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #219 Bummer. I was hoping they'd stall. I wonder if it passes? GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by dieterbrock 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #220 Hacksaw wrote:Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you.Agree, thanks AltiNow, does anyone wnat to give a synopsis? My ADD only allows me to read about 2 sentences before I cant seem to find that pen that I left next door to the grocery store is holy crap what a final play by Green Bay. Wait, what was I saying? Reply 22 / 23 1 22 23 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 227 posts Jul 10 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by SoCalRam78 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 1087 Joined: May 25 2015 SoCal Pro Bowl Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #212 Roggin does a lot of self promotion crap. I think he has sources. But a lot of his Schtick is to get listeners. by laram 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 444 Joined: Sep 30 2015 LA Coliseum Starter Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #213 SoCalRam78 wrote:Roggin does a lot of self promotion crap. I think he has sources. But a lot of his Schtick is to get listeners.That's as good a description as you'll fine! by Elvis 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 41511 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #214 I've never really been a fan, and a lot of the time he's unlistenable, but he was one of the first in L.A. to really cover this story. And his reporting has been solid to this point, as far as i can tell. So, like it or not, i pay close attention to Fred Roggin... RFU Season Ticket Holder by AltiTude Ram 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 2460 Joined: Jul 09 2015 Denver Pro Bowl Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #215 Here's an article that explains the G4. http://newballpark.org/2013/10/17/the-l ... n-program/THE LIMITS OF THE NFL’S G-4 STADIUM LOAN PROGRAMLast week at the NFL owners meetings, the assembled owners approved a raft of small G-4 loans for current NFL stadia. The recipients include the Panthers ($37.5 million), Redskins ($27 million), and Browns ($62.5 million). Combine that with the $58 million the Packers received last year, and you’ve got nearly the amount of one full slots ($200 million) awarded to a team building a new stadium. The fund, a continuation of the G-3 program started with the previous CBA, has already assigned full slots for the 49ers, Falcons, and Vikings. All told that’s around $800 million. When the 49ers were starting construction, I figured that there was about $1 billion available, making for 4 new stadium slots and the rest for renovation work.Since the CBA was signed, the NFL’s revenues have risen at a 5% annual clip. 2011 produced $9 billion, 2012 yielded $9.5 billion. It stands to reason that the league will eclipse $10 billion either this year or next year. That’s a point of pride for commissioner Roger Goodell, who envisions the league reaching a whopping $25 billion in revenue by 2027. It’s that growth that may allow the NFL to loosen some pursestrings and provide more G-4 money.Rules are well set, with all projects falling into specific tranches of potential funding. After the $200 or $250 million limit, the NFL provides access to banking syndicates that provide much of the gap funding. So far the 49ers and Vikings have utilized this access. It’s definitely no giveaway. Team owners have to pony up at least $50 million to get started, and the NFL provides matching funds depending on the amount a team owner is willing to provide. Of course, there’s also a public share that comes into play, since the NFL will only provide access to G-4 loans if it sees what it considers a viable public-private partnership.The G-4 program has a set limit of 1.5% of annual revenue to fund various projects. In the first year of the current CBA, that amounted to $135 million. The loans are for as little as 15 years, so the annual payments can be quite high. For a $200 million loan at 7-9%, that’s up to $25 million per year. That translates to 4 full slots and the remainder for renovation work. However, if annual revenue rises above $10 billion that limit rises to $150 million, or 5 full slots and the renovation remainder. That could be huge for the remaining teams that haven’t yet finalized stadium deals, such as the Chargers, Rams, and Raiders. If the NFL chooses to base G-4 availability on initial revenue projections, the limit may be set at 4 slots, the same way the G-3 program slammed the door shut after 4 $150 million slots were awarded (DAL, IND, NY x 2). If the owners are comfortable with expanding the program, another slot just might open up. Three teams competing for two slots is a lot more comforting than all three competing for one award.Still, time is of the essence. Given the league’s previous history it seems unlikely that they’ll make huge loans in the back half of the CBA. The incentive is there for the owners and municipalities to act quickly. For now, the NFL has chosen to control the funding process through G-4, public funding, and the banking syndicates, instead of allowing a third party like AEG to buy its way into taking some revenue or a piece of a team. If you’re Goodell it makes sense. What he doesn’t want is for outsiders to chip away at what it considers “pure” revenue streams, nor does he want to set a precedent that team stakes are easily available in exchange for a stadium. With the three remaining teams, we may be coming to a point where he has no choice. The best way for the Raiders to stay in Oakland may be to exchange a minority share for a new Raiders Coliseum.Tim Kawakami had another chat with Mark Davis this week. Davis continues to play good cop with Oakland officials, while unnamed sources (league? team?) assume the bad cop role via Matier & Ross. Davis may not be negotiating through the media in public, but someone is. Davis say that Tuesday’s City Council vote is a “positive step” but there are many moving parts in getting the deal to work, whatever form it takes. If, as Kawakami surmises, Davis considers this the last chance to stay in Oakland, the bowl-cutted one is certainly giving the appearance of due diligence. Davis’s previous comments about the team’s share of a new Coliseum indicate that he’d be interested in one of the G-4 slots, since it would involve club seat and suite revenue. Davis will get to see everything develop right in front of him, which will inform his decision. Instead of deciding right after the current season ends, he could take a page out of his late father’s playbook. Al didn’t finalize the deal to move the Raiders back from LA to Oakland until July 1995.I remember that summer being a whirlwind of activity for the Raiders and A’s as I spent much of that year in the locker rooms. I wonder if we’re due for another whirlwind. by BuiltRamTough 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5357 Joined: May 15 2015 Los Angeles Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #216 I don't understand how alderman could vote on something when they don't know what it is lol We Not Me RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #217 Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by Elvis 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 41511 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #218 RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #219 Bummer. I was hoping they'd stall. I wonder if it passes? GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by dieterbrock 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #220 Hacksaw wrote:Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you.Agree, thanks AltiNow, does anyone wnat to give a synopsis? My ADD only allows me to read about 2 sentences before I cant seem to find that pen that I left next door to the grocery store is holy crap what a final play by Green Bay. Wait, what was I saying? Reply 22 / 23 1 22 23 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 227 posts Jul 10 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by laram 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 444 Joined: Sep 30 2015 LA Coliseum Starter Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #213 SoCalRam78 wrote:Roggin does a lot of self promotion crap. I think he has sources. But a lot of his Schtick is to get listeners.That's as good a description as you'll fine! by Elvis 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 41511 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #214 I've never really been a fan, and a lot of the time he's unlistenable, but he was one of the first in L.A. to really cover this story. And his reporting has been solid to this point, as far as i can tell. So, like it or not, i pay close attention to Fred Roggin... RFU Season Ticket Holder by AltiTude Ram 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 2460 Joined: Jul 09 2015 Denver Pro Bowl Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #215 Here's an article that explains the G4. http://newballpark.org/2013/10/17/the-l ... n-program/THE LIMITS OF THE NFL’S G-4 STADIUM LOAN PROGRAMLast week at the NFL owners meetings, the assembled owners approved a raft of small G-4 loans for current NFL stadia. The recipients include the Panthers ($37.5 million), Redskins ($27 million), and Browns ($62.5 million). Combine that with the $58 million the Packers received last year, and you’ve got nearly the amount of one full slots ($200 million) awarded to a team building a new stadium. The fund, a continuation of the G-3 program started with the previous CBA, has already assigned full slots for the 49ers, Falcons, and Vikings. All told that’s around $800 million. When the 49ers were starting construction, I figured that there was about $1 billion available, making for 4 new stadium slots and the rest for renovation work.Since the CBA was signed, the NFL’s revenues have risen at a 5% annual clip. 2011 produced $9 billion, 2012 yielded $9.5 billion. It stands to reason that the league will eclipse $10 billion either this year or next year. That’s a point of pride for commissioner Roger Goodell, who envisions the league reaching a whopping $25 billion in revenue by 2027. It’s that growth that may allow the NFL to loosen some pursestrings and provide more G-4 money.Rules are well set, with all projects falling into specific tranches of potential funding. After the $200 or $250 million limit, the NFL provides access to banking syndicates that provide much of the gap funding. So far the 49ers and Vikings have utilized this access. It’s definitely no giveaway. Team owners have to pony up at least $50 million to get started, and the NFL provides matching funds depending on the amount a team owner is willing to provide. Of course, there’s also a public share that comes into play, since the NFL will only provide access to G-4 loans if it sees what it considers a viable public-private partnership.The G-4 program has a set limit of 1.5% of annual revenue to fund various projects. In the first year of the current CBA, that amounted to $135 million. The loans are for as little as 15 years, so the annual payments can be quite high. For a $200 million loan at 7-9%, that’s up to $25 million per year. That translates to 4 full slots and the remainder for renovation work. However, if annual revenue rises above $10 billion that limit rises to $150 million, or 5 full slots and the renovation remainder. That could be huge for the remaining teams that haven’t yet finalized stadium deals, such as the Chargers, Rams, and Raiders. If the NFL chooses to base G-4 availability on initial revenue projections, the limit may be set at 4 slots, the same way the G-3 program slammed the door shut after 4 $150 million slots were awarded (DAL, IND, NY x 2). If the owners are comfortable with expanding the program, another slot just might open up. Three teams competing for two slots is a lot more comforting than all three competing for one award.Still, time is of the essence. Given the league’s previous history it seems unlikely that they’ll make huge loans in the back half of the CBA. The incentive is there for the owners and municipalities to act quickly. For now, the NFL has chosen to control the funding process through G-4, public funding, and the banking syndicates, instead of allowing a third party like AEG to buy its way into taking some revenue or a piece of a team. If you’re Goodell it makes sense. What he doesn’t want is for outsiders to chip away at what it considers “pure” revenue streams, nor does he want to set a precedent that team stakes are easily available in exchange for a stadium. With the three remaining teams, we may be coming to a point where he has no choice. The best way for the Raiders to stay in Oakland may be to exchange a minority share for a new Raiders Coliseum.Tim Kawakami had another chat with Mark Davis this week. Davis continues to play good cop with Oakland officials, while unnamed sources (league? team?) assume the bad cop role via Matier & Ross. Davis may not be negotiating through the media in public, but someone is. Davis say that Tuesday’s City Council vote is a “positive step” but there are many moving parts in getting the deal to work, whatever form it takes. If, as Kawakami surmises, Davis considers this the last chance to stay in Oakland, the bowl-cutted one is certainly giving the appearance of due diligence. Davis’s previous comments about the team’s share of a new Coliseum indicate that he’d be interested in one of the G-4 slots, since it would involve club seat and suite revenue. Davis will get to see everything develop right in front of him, which will inform his decision. Instead of deciding right after the current season ends, he could take a page out of his late father’s playbook. Al didn’t finalize the deal to move the Raiders back from LA to Oakland until July 1995.I remember that summer being a whirlwind of activity for the Raiders and A’s as I spent much of that year in the locker rooms. I wonder if we’re due for another whirlwind. by BuiltRamTough 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5357 Joined: May 15 2015 Los Angeles Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #216 I don't understand how alderman could vote on something when they don't know what it is lol We Not Me RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #217 Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by Elvis 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 41511 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #218 RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #219 Bummer. I was hoping they'd stall. I wonder if it passes? GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by dieterbrock 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #220 Hacksaw wrote:Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you.Agree, thanks AltiNow, does anyone wnat to give a synopsis? My ADD only allows me to read about 2 sentences before I cant seem to find that pen that I left next door to the grocery store is holy crap what a final play by Green Bay. Wait, what was I saying? Reply 22 / 23 1 22 23 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 227 posts Jul 10 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by Elvis 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 41511 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #214 I've never really been a fan, and a lot of the time he's unlistenable, but he was one of the first in L.A. to really cover this story. And his reporting has been solid to this point, as far as i can tell. So, like it or not, i pay close attention to Fred Roggin... RFU Season Ticket Holder by AltiTude Ram 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 2460 Joined: Jul 09 2015 Denver Pro Bowl Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #215 Here's an article that explains the G4. http://newballpark.org/2013/10/17/the-l ... n-program/THE LIMITS OF THE NFL’S G-4 STADIUM LOAN PROGRAMLast week at the NFL owners meetings, the assembled owners approved a raft of small G-4 loans for current NFL stadia. The recipients include the Panthers ($37.5 million), Redskins ($27 million), and Browns ($62.5 million). Combine that with the $58 million the Packers received last year, and you’ve got nearly the amount of one full slots ($200 million) awarded to a team building a new stadium. The fund, a continuation of the G-3 program started with the previous CBA, has already assigned full slots for the 49ers, Falcons, and Vikings. All told that’s around $800 million. When the 49ers were starting construction, I figured that there was about $1 billion available, making for 4 new stadium slots and the rest for renovation work.Since the CBA was signed, the NFL’s revenues have risen at a 5% annual clip. 2011 produced $9 billion, 2012 yielded $9.5 billion. It stands to reason that the league will eclipse $10 billion either this year or next year. That’s a point of pride for commissioner Roger Goodell, who envisions the league reaching a whopping $25 billion in revenue by 2027. It’s that growth that may allow the NFL to loosen some pursestrings and provide more G-4 money.Rules are well set, with all projects falling into specific tranches of potential funding. After the $200 or $250 million limit, the NFL provides access to banking syndicates that provide much of the gap funding. So far the 49ers and Vikings have utilized this access. It’s definitely no giveaway. Team owners have to pony up at least $50 million to get started, and the NFL provides matching funds depending on the amount a team owner is willing to provide. Of course, there’s also a public share that comes into play, since the NFL will only provide access to G-4 loans if it sees what it considers a viable public-private partnership.The G-4 program has a set limit of 1.5% of annual revenue to fund various projects. In the first year of the current CBA, that amounted to $135 million. The loans are for as little as 15 years, so the annual payments can be quite high. For a $200 million loan at 7-9%, that’s up to $25 million per year. That translates to 4 full slots and the remainder for renovation work. However, if annual revenue rises above $10 billion that limit rises to $150 million, or 5 full slots and the renovation remainder. That could be huge for the remaining teams that haven’t yet finalized stadium deals, such as the Chargers, Rams, and Raiders. If the NFL chooses to base G-4 availability on initial revenue projections, the limit may be set at 4 slots, the same way the G-3 program slammed the door shut after 4 $150 million slots were awarded (DAL, IND, NY x 2). If the owners are comfortable with expanding the program, another slot just might open up. Three teams competing for two slots is a lot more comforting than all three competing for one award.Still, time is of the essence. Given the league’s previous history it seems unlikely that they’ll make huge loans in the back half of the CBA. The incentive is there for the owners and municipalities to act quickly. For now, the NFL has chosen to control the funding process through G-4, public funding, and the banking syndicates, instead of allowing a third party like AEG to buy its way into taking some revenue or a piece of a team. If you’re Goodell it makes sense. What he doesn’t want is for outsiders to chip away at what it considers “pure” revenue streams, nor does he want to set a precedent that team stakes are easily available in exchange for a stadium. With the three remaining teams, we may be coming to a point where he has no choice. The best way for the Raiders to stay in Oakland may be to exchange a minority share for a new Raiders Coliseum.Tim Kawakami had another chat with Mark Davis this week. Davis continues to play good cop with Oakland officials, while unnamed sources (league? team?) assume the bad cop role via Matier & Ross. Davis may not be negotiating through the media in public, but someone is. Davis say that Tuesday’s City Council vote is a “positive step” but there are many moving parts in getting the deal to work, whatever form it takes. If, as Kawakami surmises, Davis considers this the last chance to stay in Oakland, the bowl-cutted one is certainly giving the appearance of due diligence. Davis’s previous comments about the team’s share of a new Coliseum indicate that he’d be interested in one of the G-4 slots, since it would involve club seat and suite revenue. Davis will get to see everything develop right in front of him, which will inform his decision. Instead of deciding right after the current season ends, he could take a page out of his late father’s playbook. Al didn’t finalize the deal to move the Raiders back from LA to Oakland until July 1995.I remember that summer being a whirlwind of activity for the Raiders and A’s as I spent much of that year in the locker rooms. I wonder if we’re due for another whirlwind. by BuiltRamTough 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5357 Joined: May 15 2015 Los Angeles Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #216 I don't understand how alderman could vote on something when they don't know what it is lol We Not Me RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #217 Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by Elvis 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 41511 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #218 RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #219 Bummer. I was hoping they'd stall. I wonder if it passes? GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by dieterbrock 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #220 Hacksaw wrote:Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you.Agree, thanks AltiNow, does anyone wnat to give a synopsis? My ADD only allows me to read about 2 sentences before I cant seem to find that pen that I left next door to the grocery store is holy crap what a final play by Green Bay. Wait, what was I saying? Reply 22 / 23 1 22 23 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 227 posts Jul 10 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by AltiTude Ram 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 2460 Joined: Jul 09 2015 Denver Pro Bowl Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #215 Here's an article that explains the G4. http://newballpark.org/2013/10/17/the-l ... n-program/THE LIMITS OF THE NFL’S G-4 STADIUM LOAN PROGRAMLast week at the NFL owners meetings, the assembled owners approved a raft of small G-4 loans for current NFL stadia. The recipients include the Panthers ($37.5 million), Redskins ($27 million), and Browns ($62.5 million). Combine that with the $58 million the Packers received last year, and you’ve got nearly the amount of one full slots ($200 million) awarded to a team building a new stadium. The fund, a continuation of the G-3 program started with the previous CBA, has already assigned full slots for the 49ers, Falcons, and Vikings. All told that’s around $800 million. When the 49ers were starting construction, I figured that there was about $1 billion available, making for 4 new stadium slots and the rest for renovation work.Since the CBA was signed, the NFL’s revenues have risen at a 5% annual clip. 2011 produced $9 billion, 2012 yielded $9.5 billion. It stands to reason that the league will eclipse $10 billion either this year or next year. That’s a point of pride for commissioner Roger Goodell, who envisions the league reaching a whopping $25 billion in revenue by 2027. It’s that growth that may allow the NFL to loosen some pursestrings and provide more G-4 money.Rules are well set, with all projects falling into specific tranches of potential funding. After the $200 or $250 million limit, the NFL provides access to banking syndicates that provide much of the gap funding. So far the 49ers and Vikings have utilized this access. It’s definitely no giveaway. Team owners have to pony up at least $50 million to get started, and the NFL provides matching funds depending on the amount a team owner is willing to provide. Of course, there’s also a public share that comes into play, since the NFL will only provide access to G-4 loans if it sees what it considers a viable public-private partnership.The G-4 program has a set limit of 1.5% of annual revenue to fund various projects. In the first year of the current CBA, that amounted to $135 million. The loans are for as little as 15 years, so the annual payments can be quite high. For a $200 million loan at 7-9%, that’s up to $25 million per year. That translates to 4 full slots and the remainder for renovation work. However, if annual revenue rises above $10 billion that limit rises to $150 million, or 5 full slots and the renovation remainder. That could be huge for the remaining teams that haven’t yet finalized stadium deals, such as the Chargers, Rams, and Raiders. If the NFL chooses to base G-4 availability on initial revenue projections, the limit may be set at 4 slots, the same way the G-3 program slammed the door shut after 4 $150 million slots were awarded (DAL, IND, NY x 2). If the owners are comfortable with expanding the program, another slot just might open up. Three teams competing for two slots is a lot more comforting than all three competing for one award.Still, time is of the essence. Given the league’s previous history it seems unlikely that they’ll make huge loans in the back half of the CBA. The incentive is there for the owners and municipalities to act quickly. For now, the NFL has chosen to control the funding process through G-4, public funding, and the banking syndicates, instead of allowing a third party like AEG to buy its way into taking some revenue or a piece of a team. If you’re Goodell it makes sense. What he doesn’t want is for outsiders to chip away at what it considers “pure” revenue streams, nor does he want to set a precedent that team stakes are easily available in exchange for a stadium. With the three remaining teams, we may be coming to a point where he has no choice. The best way for the Raiders to stay in Oakland may be to exchange a minority share for a new Raiders Coliseum.Tim Kawakami had another chat with Mark Davis this week. Davis continues to play good cop with Oakland officials, while unnamed sources (league? team?) assume the bad cop role via Matier & Ross. Davis may not be negotiating through the media in public, but someone is. Davis say that Tuesday’s City Council vote is a “positive step” but there are many moving parts in getting the deal to work, whatever form it takes. If, as Kawakami surmises, Davis considers this the last chance to stay in Oakland, the bowl-cutted one is certainly giving the appearance of due diligence. Davis’s previous comments about the team’s share of a new Coliseum indicate that he’d be interested in one of the G-4 slots, since it would involve club seat and suite revenue. Davis will get to see everything develop right in front of him, which will inform his decision. Instead of deciding right after the current season ends, he could take a page out of his late father’s playbook. Al didn’t finalize the deal to move the Raiders back from LA to Oakland until July 1995.I remember that summer being a whirlwind of activity for the Raiders and A’s as I spent much of that year in the locker rooms. I wonder if we’re due for another whirlwind. by BuiltRamTough 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5357 Joined: May 15 2015 Los Angeles Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #216 I don't understand how alderman could vote on something when they don't know what it is lol We Not Me RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #217 Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by Elvis 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 41511 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #218 RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #219 Bummer. I was hoping they'd stall. I wonder if it passes? GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by dieterbrock 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #220 Hacksaw wrote:Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you.Agree, thanks AltiNow, does anyone wnat to give a synopsis? My ADD only allows me to read about 2 sentences before I cant seem to find that pen that I left next door to the grocery store is holy crap what a final play by Green Bay. Wait, what was I saying? Reply 22 / 23 1 22 23 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 227 posts Jul 10 2025
by BuiltRamTough 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 5357 Joined: May 15 2015 Los Angeles Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #216 I don't understand how alderman could vote on something when they don't know what it is lol We Not Me RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #217 Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by Elvis 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 41511 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #218 RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #219 Bummer. I was hoping they'd stall. I wonder if it passes? GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by dieterbrock 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #220 Hacksaw wrote:Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you.Agree, thanks AltiNow, does anyone wnat to give a synopsis? My ADD only allows me to read about 2 sentences before I cant seem to find that pen that I left next door to the grocery store is holy crap what a final play by Green Bay. Wait, what was I saying? Reply 22 / 23 1 22 23 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 227 posts Jul 10 2025
by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #217 Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you. GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by Elvis 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 41511 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #218 RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #219 Bummer. I was hoping they'd stall. I wonder if it passes? GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by dieterbrock 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #220 Hacksaw wrote:Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you.Agree, thanks AltiNow, does anyone wnat to give a synopsis? My ADD only allows me to read about 2 sentences before I cant seem to find that pen that I left next door to the grocery store is holy crap what a final play by Green Bay. Wait, what was I saying? Reply 22 / 23 1 22 23 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 227 posts Jul 10 2025
by Elvis 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 41511 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #218 RFU Season Ticket Holder by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #219 Bummer. I was hoping they'd stall. I wonder if it passes? GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by dieterbrock 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #220 Hacksaw wrote:Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you.Agree, thanks AltiNow, does anyone wnat to give a synopsis? My ADD only allows me to read about 2 sentences before I cant seem to find that pen that I left next door to the grocery store is holy crap what a final play by Green Bay. Wait, what was I saying? Reply 22 / 23 1 22 23 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 227 posts Jul 10 2025
by Hacksaw 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 24523 Joined: Apr 15 2015 AT THE BEACH Moderator Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #219 Bummer. I was hoping they'd stall. I wonder if it passes? GO RAMS !!! GO DODGERS !!! GO LAKERS !!!THE GREATEST SHOW ON TURF,, WAS by dieterbrock 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #220 Hacksaw wrote:Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you.Agree, thanks AltiNow, does anyone wnat to give a synopsis? My ADD only allows me to read about 2 sentences before I cant seem to find that pen that I left next door to the grocery store is holy crap what a final play by Green Bay. Wait, what was I saying? Reply 22 / 23 1 22 23 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 227 posts Jul 10 2025
by dieterbrock 9 years 7 months ago Total posts: 11512 Joined: Mar 31 2015 New Jersey Hall of Fame Re: December Owner's Meeting POST #220 Hacksaw wrote:Good stuff AltiTude. Thank you.Agree, thanks AltiNow, does anyone wnat to give a synopsis? My ADD only allows me to read about 2 sentences before I cant seem to find that pen that I left next door to the grocery store is holy crap what a final play by Green Bay. Wait, what was I saying? Reply 22 / 23 1 22 23 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business