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Gotcha. should have caught that knowing his TO #.

The optimist in me says, 'if he can limit his turnovers in the last 5 games....to 3, he'll be down to his 2018 average'. And we're 7-4 with what he's done so far. I sure hope he doesn't get "over cautious" as to limit production by taking sacks. Throw the ball away!!

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yep, and as i mentioned before, 50% of goff's turnovers have come in 2 games, which is a helluva lot better than spreading them out, for example, here are goff's and brady's game-by-game tunovers this season.

altho goff has 2 more than brady i would much rather have goff's turnover numbers than brady's... why? because goff has turned the ball over once or less in 73% of his game, which bodes well for winning, while brady has turned it over once or less just 58% of the time.

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I get it but I’d really rather have neither. I guess I’m saying it doesn’t make me feel any better cause an old Brady stinks in Arians system.

Don’t we want what McVay wants? Have a QB that doesn’t turn over the ball so much.

[moklerman]

Perspective? (This should go over well! )

Bradford's last 32 regular season games as a Ram: 41TD/23INT 80.9 rating.
Goff's last 32 regular season games as a Rams: 44TD/32INT 86.7 rating.

Those numbers are pretty close for Spagnuolo/Fisher led teams compared to McVay led teams. I don't think Goff's numbers should be roughly the same as Bradford's considering what each had to work with.

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Perspective? (This should go over well! )

Bradford's last 32 regular season games as a Ram: 41TD/23INT 80.9 rating.
Goff's last 32 regular season games as a Rams: 44TD/32INT 86.7 rating.

Those numbers are pretty close for Spagnuolo/Fisher led teams compared to McVay led teams. I don't think Goff's numbers should be roughly the same as Bradford's considering what each had to work with.

Well I hate to tell you but your numbers are off. And they weren't "roughly the same" as Bradford's.

Goff's last 32 games (11 this year, 16 last year, 3 postseason in 2018 and last 2 rs 2018):

758 of 1185 (64.0%) for 8786 yds ( 7.41 yds/att) 44 TD 28 Int 88.8 rating (Record: 20-12)

Bradford's last 32 games (His last 9 in 2011, 16 in 2012 and 7 in 2013):

661 of 1140 ( 58.0%) for 7365 yds ( 6.46 yds/att) 41 TD 23 Int 80.9 rating (Record: 11-21)

The completion percentage was 6% better.
The yards were 1419 better (44.3 more per game)
The yards per attempt were 0.95 better
The TDs were 3 better
And he had 5 more interceptions (but 9 more wins).
The QB rating was better by 7.9

I'll take it in a heartbeat. And I didn't check but I'd bet the PPG was better....

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I guess I’m saying it doesn’t make me feel any better cause an old Brady stinks in Arians system.

i think you missed the point of me using brady's game-by-game turnovers as an example?

I get it but I’d really rather have neither. Don’t we want what McVay wants? Have a QB that doesn’t turn over the ball so much.

i think mcvay and all rams fans would would love to see goff turn the ball over less, in fact i think we would all absolutely love to see his 2017 turnover rate from now until he's no longer in horns.

that said, until we see the likes of 2017 again, i'm going to take solace in the fact that only a couple of games are driving his high year-to-date turnover numbers, as opposed to a chronic, every game turnover problem, which some seem to think is what's going on with goff.

personally i'm much, much more concerned with what the rams are doing with their non-turnover drives, or better put, what they're not doing with their non-turnover drives, the 86% lions share of their total drives.... currently the rams rank 27th in scores per non-turnover drives, 16th in tds scored per nt drive, and 29th in field goals per nt drive, it's a depressing sitch that explains the rams current 18th ranking in offensive scoring... can mcvay fix this?

anyway, hopefully goff will never hit warner turnover numbers while he's in horns, unless mcvay figures out a way to score on drives that haven't ended in turnovers, like martz & company were able to do throughout their spectacular run.

[moklerman]

Well I hate to tell you (not really) but your numbers are off. And they weren't "roughly the same" as Bradford's.

Goff's last 32 games (11 this year, 16 last year, 3 postseason in 2018 and last 2 rs 2018):

758 of 1185 (64.0%) for 8786 yds ( 7.41 yds/att) 44 TD 28 Int 88.8 rating (Record: 20-12)

Bradford's last 32 games (His last 9 in 2011, 16 in 2012 and 7 in 2013):

661 of 1140 ( 58.0%) for 7365 yds ( 6.46 yds/att) 41 TD 23 Int 80.9 rating (Record: 11-21)

The completion percentage was 6% better.
The yards were 1419 better
The yards per attempt were 0.95 better
The TDs were 3 better
And he had 5 more interceptions but 9 more wins.
I'll take it in a heartbeat.

"Regular" season games. I purposely left off playoff games for comparison's sake. It isn't fair to Goff.

As far as the other things, those are secondary things that IMO, are explained by each of their supporting casts and coaching and scheme. Interceptions, TD's and passer rating are fine for my comparison.

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"Regular" season games. I purposely left off playoff games for comparison's sake. It isn't fair to Goff.

Not fair to Goff or not fair to your comparison?

No let's roll with the "tougher games" for Goff and surprisingly, he comes out with the same number of TDs but 4 less interceptions than your numbers. Now tell me again how you didn't want to be unfair to Goff.

Some might construe your numbers as "misleading". The last 32 games are the last 32 games, right?

Or......

We could compare their last two "full" seasons with the Rams. It would be limited to 2 because that's how many full seasons SB had with the Rams. But it's also two seasons playing with the same surrounding cast, at least for each season.

Bradford (2010 & 2012): 682 of 1141 (59.8%) for 7214 yds (6.32 yds/att) 39 TD 28 Int (79.4 rating)

Goff (2018 & 2019): 758 of 1187 (63.8%) for 9326 yds (7.86 yds/att) 54 TD 28 Int (93.4 rating)

[moklerman]

Not fair to Goff or not fair to your comparison?

No let's roll with the "tougher games" for Goff and surprisingly, he comes out with the same number of TDs but 4 less interceptions than your numbers. Now tell me again how you didn't want to be unfair to Goff.

Some might construe your numbers as "misleading". The last 32 games are the last 32 games, right?

Or......

We could compare their last two "full" seasons with the Rams. It would be limited to 2 because that's how many full seasons SB had with the Rams. But it's also two seasons playing with the same surrounding cast, at least for each season.

Bradford (2010 & 2012): 682 of 1141 (59.8%) for 7214 yds (6.32 yds/att) 39 TD 28 Int (79.4 rating)

Goff (2018 & 2019): 758 of 1187 (63.8%) for 9326 yds (7.86 yds/att) 54 TD 28 Int (93.4 rating)

You're a disturbed individual. If I had used playoff games I am sure that you would have cried foul because the competition level would be a lot tougher.

You want bring up YPA but you KNOW that the Rams have had the best YAC receivers. In fact, you would be honest for a half a second, you'd acknowledge that there really is NO comparison between the two teams each QB played for. Of course, you won't do that.

Passer rating takes into account completion %, YPA, TD%, INT% etc. and Goff and Bradford over the course of two years worth of games are just 5 points apart. Who had better coaching? A better scheme? Better OL? Better skill players?

All those differences and Goff is just 5 points higher than a guy most people around here think was terrible.

[SolarRam]

Goff blows....we've seen the best we're gonna get. How many good to great QBs regressed like this? Still depressed.

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Goff blows....we've seen the best we're gonna get. How many good to great QBs regressed like this? Still depressed.

How many good to great qbs had bad games like that in their 5th year?

It's actually very few who DIDN'T. So name a qb. We'll look.

While I wait, here's one example. Roethlisberger. BR's 5th year was 2008. Since that was more than a decade ago, we'll count a bad game as a qb rating of 70 or less. In 2008 he had 5 of those, including one where he earned a qb rating of 15.1. In those 5 games combined he had 1 TD, 10 INTs, and 4 fumbles. He got above a 52% completion percentage in only 1 of the 5.