[laram]

Be careful with Roggin. He's trying to hard. When this is all over, I'll share somethangs!

[Hacksaw_64]

I remember that. Life is good for Shaw. Now butt the f out thank you..

What does Shaw stand to gain by backing Spanos - Carson - what ever? What is the point? I doubt it's to F over Kroenke alone or at all.
Shaw must has something to gain through his affiliation with Spanos. His age and connections might be dwindling.
So I guess if valid that means that Shaw was trying to hook Spanos up with Mr Developer-Moneybags at that luncheon a while back eh?

Shaw smells money. He's gonna try and get his piece of the pie. Talk about a wolf at the door. If Spanos gets in bed with Shaw, he deserves everything he has coming. And believe me its coming for him.

[Hacksaw_64]

Be careful with Roggin. He's trying to hard. When this is all over, I'll share somethangs!

Are you still convinced Carson is pie in the sky?

[laram]

I wouldn't use the term "get in bed" when speaking of John Shaw!

[laram]

Be careful with Roggin. He's trying to hard. When this is all over, I'll share somethangs!

Are you still convinced Carson is pie in the sky?

Absolutely, I am.

But hey anything could happen I guess, but from what I know there are just to many things against it.

Also remember when the commissioner said they would like to have a SB in Los Angeles?

Carson doesn't meet that timeline does it?

They know what they want, they just have to make it work.

Funny to me when they talk about Carson has the votes.

Look who is aligned with SK, and look who's in Spanos corner.

Follow the money....

[den-the-coach]

Follow the money....

Sure worked in Watergate so I hope you're right about ESK and Inglewood!

[Hacksaw]

LA is the exception because of the lack of public money. The real issue is the NFLPA since the stadium credits for this CBA have run out.

Ripper , please help me understand this.

The owners share revenues with the NFLPA and the split is determined in the CBA. G4 is funded from revenues that would normally be shared with the players so in each CBA the players give credits to the NFL to allow the revenue to be used for stadium financing prior to revenue sharing. The amount and terms are a major sticking point and it was one of the main reasons for the lockout because Jerry Richardson wanted to significantly increase the % of revenues dedicated to stadium financing. Just like the G3 program the G4 program has run out of money so the money either needs to be paid out of the owners portion of the revenue sharing or they must go back to the NFLPA to ask for more credits in exchange for something of significance. G4 loans get paid back over time and the players eventually get that money back but since most careers are shorter than the loan terms the current players don't benefit when the loan gets paid off. All of this is why Shane Grey is wrong that G4 works like a grant since all the credits must be paid back to the players. The owners may waive their share but the players defiantely won't.

Thanks for your response. so I have to assume that other things are funded through those programs too if the moneys is gone. What other things?
I'd have to think the owners would prefer not to pony up but if doing so makes them more $$,, who knows?

[Elvis]

[OldSchool]

https://twitter.com/davidhunn/status/672816939824226305

Of course they won't! They don't want the public to know how much of their money they're throwing away. It might result in wanting a public vote.

[AltiTude Ram]

Ripper , please help me understand this.

The owners share revenues with the NFLPA and the split is determined in the CBA. G4 is funded from revenues that would normally be shared with the players so in each CBA the players give credits to the NFL to allow the revenue to be used for stadium financing prior to revenue sharing. The amount and terms are a major sticking point and it was one of the main reasons for the lockout because Jerry Richardson wanted to significantly increase the % of revenues dedicated to stadium financing. Just like the G3 program the G4 program has run out of money so the money either needs to be paid out of the owners portion of the revenue sharing or they must go back to the NFLPA to ask for more credits in exchange for something of significance. G4 loans get paid back over time and the players eventually get that money back but since most careers are shorter than the loan terms the current players don't benefit when the loan gets paid off. All of this is why Shane Grey is wrong that G4 works like a grant since all the credits must be paid back to the players. The owners may waive their share but the players defiantely won't.

Thanks for your response. so I have to assume that other things are funded through those programs too if the moneys is gone. What other things?
I'd have to think the owners would prefer not to pony up but if doing so makes them more $$,, who knows?

I remember reading that there was only one more G4 loan available. I can't remember where but I will try to find it. It pretty much explained the situation the way that Ripper did. Minn/Atlanta I think were the reasons that there is only one more left.