[actionjack]

honestly aj, i've seen a lot of spots go the rams way this season, at least a couple i actually couldn't believe, and then there were some that the rams got away with because they intentionally got to the line quickly and snapped the ball.

all told, the rams were the 7th least penalized team in 2018, while the chiefs were the most penalized team, the seahawks went to the super bowl twice, and won one, despite being the most penalized team during those years.

in the rams games that vinovich crewed this year, saints and eagles, they rams were flagged 4 times and 5 times respectively, both counts were below what the rams averaged per game this year.

prior to mcvay the rams were consistently one of the most penalized teams in the league, all crew threw flags on them, not just vinovich's crews, and it wasn't because they had it in for the rams, it was because the rams were a horribly undisciplined team.

no fanbase thinks their team is favored by the refs, every fanbase thinks refs job their team.

Again I dont disagree, penalties have not been a reason why we have won or lost for the most part and refs are gonna miss some calls. Also I am not picking on Vinovich despite the 0-8 recent record, but I cant excuse getting the spot wrong. There is just no excuse for it, particularly with current tech. Yes the Rams have benefited from it as well but usually it was close (within inches). There have been multiple bad spots (a yard or more) that have hurt the Rams this year.

[aeneas1]

Again I dont disagree, penalties have not been a reason why we have won or lost for the most part and refs are gonna miss some calls. Also I am not picking on Vinovich despite the 0-8 recent record, but I cant excuse getting the spot wrong. There is just no excuse for it, particularly with current tech. Yes the Rams have benefited from it as well but usually it was close (within inches). There have been multiple bad spots (a yard or more) that have hurt the Rams this year.

if it were up to me i'd dump all nfl and mlb refs/umps and move the games into the 21st century, let technology handle the speed of the action.

that said, i think a lot of this stuff gets way overblown, the hekker spot/call for example, i didn't find it as outrageous as others after i finally saw a decent angle of the play, it was actually very close (imo)... but, yeah, refs do blow calls, but it's the nature of the beast imo, you ask 7 guys to watch 22 kids running at break-neck speed and you're gonna get that i would think... anyway, i just haven't seen the gross favoritism, the obvious tilting of games, the clear fixing, that others apparently see, especially given calls seem to end up kind of even as the season plays out, especially given how heavily penalized teams still manage to have great success while lightly penalized teams can fail miserably.

[actionjack]

Yeah I actually didnt disagree with that call, but it was either later in that game or the following games where the refs literally marked the ball a full yard back from where the Ram was down. I wish could remember the exact play but Im 51 soo

[Hacksaw]

Is the white border in bounds? If not, from that angle there's no way he made it .

[dieterbrock]

Yeah I actually didnt disagree with that call, but it was either later in that game or the following games where the refs literally marked the ball a full yard back from where the Ram was down. I wish could remember the exact play but Im 51 soo

There was a play when Woods caught a ball, clearly ahead of the first down but was heading back to the qb. Looked like he was way ahead of the 1st down but they marked him a yard or two short.
IIRC, they didn’t convert the 1st down and had to punt.
Now I’m 51 as well so I can’t remember what game that was even in. Lol. Was it the saints game too??

I’m with @aeneas1 on this. I think the “conspiracy” theory on Vinovich is hogwash. And I also agree that it’s ridiculous so much officiating is controlled by humans that could be replaced with modern technology. It’s a joke really.
Game is too fast and field is too big for these guys to be right all the time.

[LARams_1963]

Well I guess a moderator decided my Petition thread didn't warrant it's own thread?

[Elmgrovegnome]

Well... looking at this year (not too concerned about what happened in 2006), here is the penalty stat line from the two games:

Rams vs. Saints: 4 penalties for 32 yards on the Rams; 2 penalties for 20 yards on Saints
Rams vs. Eagles: 5 penalties for 50 yards on the Rams; 6 penalties for 49 yards on Eagles

Of course, those are just totals, but they don't suggest a bias or disparity.

Let's hope the men in stripes are seen but not heard (unless they're calling holding penalties on the OL lined up against Donald!)

One of the Saints penalties was the end zone celebration. All of the Rams penalties extended Saints drives.

What are the odds that the Saints really only committed one foul all game? I saw one very obvious pushing in front of a ref that went uncalled and gave them a first down. I'm sure there were more.

[Elmgrovegnome]

if it were up to me i'd dump all nfl and mlb refs/umps and move the games into the 21st century, let technology handle the speed of the action.

that said, i think a lot of this stuff gets way overblown, the hekker spot/call for example, i didn't find it as outrageous as others after i finally saw a decent angle of the play, it was actually very close (imo)... but, yeah, refs do blow calls, but it's the nature of the beast imo, you ask 7 guys to watch 22 kids running at break-neck speed and you're gonna get that i would think... anyway, i just haven't seen the gross favoritism, the obvious tilting of games, the clear fixing, that others apparently see, especially not given calls seem to end up kind of even as the season plays out, especially not given how heavily penalized teams still manage to have great success while lightly penalized teams can fail miserably.

The technology is out there to at least six refs in spotting the ball. I think refs watching video of specific units or players could do better than being on the field. I can only think of a few reasons that this not further explored; money, tradition, or 'removing the ability to at least keep games close, so fans watch until the end and see all of the commercials (or to fix outcomes, which I know you don't believe)

[AvengerRam]

One of the Saints penalties was the end zone celebration. All of the Rams penalties extended Saints drives.

What are the odds that the Saints really only committed one foul all game? I saw one very obvious pushing in front of a ref that went uncalled and gave them a first down. I'm sure there were more.

I think the refs can be influenced by player reputations, coaches in their ear, and even the crowd.

I don't think refs are biased against one team or another and deliberately skew the outcomes of games.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[rather]

Vinovich and Blakeman, OK, well it was a fun season. Patriots vs Saints should be fun.