[aeneas1]

goff puts up 35 on the road, against a top 3 team, and leads the rams back from a 14-35 hole, while the defense gives up 45, the third most points given up by any defense this year, yet some want to try to argue that the defense put goff and the offense in a position to win, and goff and the offense failed... truly amazing to me.

[AvengerRam]

I apologize, @aeneas1, for going a bit off script here, but in watching these plays, one guy who really stood out to me was Tyler Higbee in pass protection/blitz pickup. I admit that I've never paid too much attention to him in this regard, but you can see him doing a very good job at finding his assignment (not always a simple task given his role in the blocking scheme) and shielding off pass rushers. I feel like I have a better understanding as to why he's on the field so much, notwithstanding the fact that Gerald Everett may have more playmaking potential.

[phoenixrising]

goff puts up 35 on the road, against a top 3 team, and leads the rams back from a 14-35 hole, while the defense gives up 45, the third most points given up by any defense this year, yet some want to try to argue that the defense put goff and the offense in a position to win, and goff and the offense failed... truly amazing to me.

Position to take the lead, not neccesarily win. This is not opinion, it's simple math, let me explain:

If the score is tied at 35 and the rams score, the Rams would take the lead.
If the Rams trail 38-35 and they score a TD, the Rams would go up 42-38 with point-after.
If the offense fails to score in either case, they would fail to take the lead.

[/zn/]

goff puts up 35 on the road, against a top 3 team, and leads the rams back from a 14-35 hole, while the defense gives up 45, the third most points given up by any defense this year, yet some want to try to argue that the defense put goff and the offense in a position to win, and goff and the offense failed... truly amazing to me.

No one except apparently someone in your imagination said "Goff and the offense failed." What is it with these straw man oversensitive reactions?

The question was, how is Goff in comeback situations with a win at stake deep in the 4th quarter. That is not JUST about the Saints game...by its very nature it's about several games...and so far 9 games in, the answer is, he's 2 out of 3 which isn't bad at all. Getting defensive about that is just not necessary.

Yeah he didn't come through ---> just in terms of THAT issue <--- against the Saints, but, again, only in your own imagination is anyone saying that right there is where all the blame for the Saints game goes. I mean. You know. C'mon.

Nor does posing that question put the "blame" for the Saints loss on the offense. Unless you're just massively not paying attention.

[ramsman34]

I see what you are saying Max. I think it is not all on Goff, some definitely on McVay/play calling, some on his teammates not making plays, it is a small sample size, and I also think sometimes you just have to give the opponent credit for making the plays that you don't. So, EVERYONE needs to get better in those situations in order to win those types of games - rather obvious, no?

I am not worried about him at all in clutch moments; the more he faces, the better his percentages of success. But, I would rather not be in those situations in the first place.

[AvengerRam]

Position to take the lead, not neccesarily win. This is not opinion, it's simple math, let me explain:

If the score is tied at 35 and the rams score, the Rams would take the lead.
If the Rams trail 38-35 and they score a TD, the Rams would go up 42-38 with point-after.
If the offense fails to score in either case, they would fail to take the lead.

Yeah... If Tom Brady had the ball in the 4th Quarter of a big game and had a chance to take the lead, he'd succeed every time...

Well, except for in last year's Super Bowl.

[/zn/]

I am not worried about him at all in clutch moments; the more he faces, the better his percentages of success. But, I would rather not be in those situations in the first place.

Some qbs, even good ones, no they don't get better at clutch situations the more they are in them. Some get worse. That's why we recognize some are just better than others at that situation. They are not ALL universally improving every year across the board at that.

So where does Goff stand when it comes to that?

Fair question. Too soon to say. My own personal hunch is that he has the makings of a clutch qb, but then I can't offer that as fact, there's not enough to go on yet.

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[AvengerRam]

My own personal hunch is that he has the makings of a clutch qb, but then I can't offer that as fact, there's not enough to go on yet.

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Everybody mark their calendars.... zn and I agree!

[PARAM]

goff puts up 35 on the road, against a top 3 team, and leads the rams back from a 14-35 hole, while the defense gives up 45, the third most points given up by any defense this year, yet some want to try to argue that the defense put goff and the offense in a position to win, and goff and the offense failed... truly amazing to me.

Well somebody has to "analyze" him. If he played well we would have won.

[/zn/]

He did not play well. If you want to say that Goff played like an elite QB on those two drives, well...we disagree.

Jeesh.

He did not play well IN THE FINAL SERIES with the game on the line, against the Saints.

You can't make bad misreading the basis of conversation.

No one said he did not play well OVERALL.

The question being discussed is about end of the game clutch situations with the win on the line.

It's like we keep ordering breakfast at 10 AM and you keep pulling your hair in exasperation and shouting "dinner does not start till 4!"