[CanuckRightWinger]

In my best Chris TheBoomer Berman voice....

"marshall, Marshall....MARSHALL!!!!"

Ram icon, coach-on-the-field, smart & well-spoken.....
and yet....
this is how Marshall Faulk is going to be remembered??!!
Such a shame.

The old Navy saying rings true:
NEVER PUMP YOUR BILGES IN LOCAL WATERS!

[Gareth]

Some of you are missing the point. This has nothing to do with a work relationships. This has nothing to do with relationship at all. This is harassment. This is forced and unwanted.

If two people, at the work place, want to date, and there is no company policy against it, there's nothing wrong with that. Lots of people meet at work and end up leading happy lives together.

Harassment is harassment - has nothing to do with local waters or dipping your pen in company ink.

[Will0120]

I for one cannot understand why rich/famous/powerful men would do these things that they are accused of. They can literally have girls falling for them left and right just based on who they are. Why bother harassing a coworker? I just don't get it.

With that being said, we should also keep in mind that we need to give these men a chance to prove their innocence rather than just assuming they are guilty because they were accused. Even though our justice system is actually "innocent till proven guilty"... I guess that's a topic for a different day/thread...

[/zn/]

In terms of whether or not the accusations are valid or real, remember this. In several cases she claims they texted her offensive statements and/or sent especially offensive vids via text.

Those presumably still exist.

[CanuckRightWinger]

Sheesh Gareth.....pontificate much?

It's about proximity, ego, and sex drive.....historically a bad combination in the workplace.

Do you want wax on now about "it's all about power"??? ....because that does NOT fit here as neither Faulk, Evans, nor Ike were the Plaintiff's boss.

In my career, I've had to mete out discipline in these types of workplace situations....so don't lecture me about "missing the point" okay!!

As for your mamby-pamby office romance scenario "that nothing is wrong with" because there is "no corporate policy against it"....you advertise your naivete IMO.
Question: What happens when the loving dating corporate couple break up because,
oh I dunno.....THE GUY STARTS DATING ANOTHER GIRL!!!???

D'ya think the scorned one is capable of going down to HR and saying
"his advances were unwanted & unappreciated....and I felt pressured"???

I have watched these office-romance train wrecks derail promising careers in my work history.....and I have had to do the cleanup afterwards....not fun!!

Haden was right....you have to outlaw 100% of that stuff at the office....or you open the door to creating a toxic workplace for your staffers.

[Gareth]

I for one cannot understand why rich/famous/powerful men would do these things that they are accused of. They can literally have girls falling for them left and right just based on who they are. Why bother harassing a coworker? I just don't get it.

I was just taking a walk and thinking about exactly this. I'm confident that I wouldn't behave like that no matter what. But these men have been hugely successful and used to getting most everything they want. It's obvious that many men under those circumstances acquire a huge sense of entitlement. Again, I can't imagine I could ever be like that - but, apparently, huge levels of success lead many men down a nasty road.

[Gareth]

Sheesh Gareth.....pontificate much?

It's about proximity, ego, and sex drive.....historically a bad combination in the workplace.

Do you want wax on now about "it's all about power"??? ....because that does NOT fit here as neither Faulk, Evans, nor Ike were the Plaintiff's boss.

In my career, I've had to mete out discipline in these types of workplace situations....so don't lecture me about "missing the point" okay!!

As for your mamby-pamby office romance scenario "that nothing is wrong with" because there is "no corporate policy against it"....you advertise your naivete IMO.
Question: What happens when the loving dating corporate couple break up because,
oh I dunno.....THE GUY STARTS DATING ANOTHER GIRL!!!???

D'ya think the scorned one is capable of going down to HR and saying
"his advances were unwanted & unappreciated....and I felt pressured"???

I have watched these office-romance train wrecks derail promising careers in my work history.....and I have had to do the cleanup afterwards....not fun!!

Haden was right....you have to outlaw 100% of that stuff at the office....or you open the door to creating a toxic workplace for your staffers.

First, I never said "it's all about power". Sometimes it is but I suspect that in this case, it's very much about intimidation. That said, you don't have to be someone's boss to have power over them.

I sure wish I was more of an internet tough guy like you so I wouldn't have to post my mamby pamby stuff. Yes, if a work couple breaks up that can cause problems. But that's their business. If you own a business and want to ban office relationships - fine. That's your call. But there are plenty of places that do no such thing and are thriving.

I believe that you've seen office romances go bad and cause problems. So have I. But I've also seen them work out and lead to happily ever after. Sorry for another dose of mamby pamby.

Back to point - office romances have nothing to do with what these men are accused of. Not even in the same league.

[SWAdude]

First, I never said "it's all about power". Sometimes it is but I suspect that in this case, it's very much about intimidation. That said, you don't have to be someone's boss to have power over them.

I sure wish I was more of an internet tough guy like you so I wouldn't have to post my mamby pamby stuff. Yes, if a work couple breaks up that can cause problems. But that's their business. If you own a business and want to ban office relationships - fine. That's your call. But there are plenty of places that do no such thing and are thriving.

I believe that you've seen office romances go bad and cause problems. So have I. But I've also seen them work out and lead to happily ever after. Sorry for another dose of mamby pamby.

Back to point - office romances have nothing to do with what these men are accused of. Not even in the same league.

I for one thought your point was pretty clear. And agree with it.

Office romances and harassment are completely different subjects. Two in the same office getting together for the nasty may be detrimental to the environment but completely different than whipping your pickle out in an obvious uninvited situation.

I met my wife at work. Many I work with have as well. Most go well. Other times it does not. But it doesn't affect our business. But I also work for a large company and we don't work together every day. So in other words there is not just a blanket situation for this.

I will wait to see how this plays out. Seems to be in vogue these days to accuse some with old cases of sexual harassment. Interesting world we live in.

[ramsman34]

I think there are statistics that say a huge number of relationships beginning at the work place. Makes sense as you are around one another most of your waking hours of most days. Office romance cannot be confused with using your position/power to coerce someone, intimidate someone, force someone to have sex with you. Ego, perception of power and control, superiority complex, and entitlement likely is at play with these men. Sex is a very powerful human drive and can dominate one's actions if not recognized and controlled. Simply a psychological fact. It is like any other addiction: the brain derives pleasure from certain activities and wants that dopamine rush as often as possible.

[Elvis]

I for one cannot understand why rich/famous/powerful men would do these things that they are accused of. They can literally have girls falling for them left and right just based on who they are. Why bother harassing a coworker? I just don't get it.

They do it because in their world, it works out most of the time.

But maybe that's changing...