[SoCalRam78]

Leave it to the NFL to screw this up.

The second wealthiest owner in the NFL wants to bank role a stadium in LA that will be one of the crown jewels in the NFL, and these morons want to put up road blocks whenever they can. For what, the Goldman Sachs owned toxic stadium played in by the Raiders and Chargers? To protect an NFL market that barely supports its own franchise and is one of the poorer markets in terms of revenue and overall attendance figures?

[dieterbrock]

It's like no one wants to insult ST. Louis. Their stadium is half packed with opposing fans and their ticket sales suck yet I have to hear how it's a great NFL market and they're willing to build a new stadium. Fuck you Florio

Its posts like this that make me wish we had a "like" button

[bluecoconuts]

I was thinking today, I always find it interesting how the basic school of thought is "Kroenke has a better project, but Spanos is very well liked and that can go a long way"

Yet the owners don't really like Davis. They wanted the monument to Al taken down at the Carson stadium, and there's word they would like him out as an owner. They don't want to 'reward' the Raiders with LA, they are worried about the Raiders lack of funds, and a little less worried about the Chargers lack of funds. They would like to keep San Diego as an NFL city so they can put Super Bowls back there with a world class stadium.

So they like Spanos that much that they would also reward someone they don't like? They like Spanos that much that they would risk billions of dollars? They like Spanos that much that they're willing to give up another potential Super Bowl city? They like Spanos so much that they're going to say no to NFL Headquarters West? New NFL studios? Potential new draft location? It just doesn't make much sense to me that they would do that just because they like Spanos that much.

Now it makes sense that they like Spanos enough that they would tell Kroenke to pay a little more and make sure that Spanos is taken care of in San Diego (which according to reports Kroenke already said he would).... But everything else? I don't see the business logic in that.

[majik]

Hey Richardson...are you familiar with antitrust law? Telling Stan he cannot move and attempting to force him to stay in St. Louis would violate it. How much would denying Stan cost him? Now triple that amount. Divide that by 31. Is your friendship with Spanos worth that much?

[Elvis]

I was thinking today, I always find it interesting how the basic school of thought is "Kroenke has a better project, but Spanos is very well liked and that can go a long way"

Yet the owners don't really like Davis. They wanted the monument to Al taken down at the Carson stadium, and there's word they would like him out as an owner. They don't want to 'reward' the Raiders with LA, they are worried about the Raiders lack of funds, and a little less worried about the Chargers lack of funds. They would like to keep San Diego as an NFL city so they can put Super Bowls back there with a world class stadium.

So they like Spanos that much that they would also reward someone they don't like? They like Spanos that much that they would risk billions of dollars? They like Spanos that much that they're willing to give up another potential Super Bowl city? They like Spanos so much that they're going to say no to NFL Headquarters West? New NFL studios? Potential new draft location? It just doesn't make much sense to me that they would do that just because they like Spanos that much.

Now it makes sense that they like Spanos enough that they would tell Kroenke to pay a little more and make sure that Spanos is taken care of in San Diego (which according to reports Kroenke already said he would).... But everything else? I don't see the business logic in that.

And, as if on cue, Florio has a story that the Raiders don't necesarrily have to be part of the Chargers in L.A. I don't know how legit this stuff is but it's coming hard:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -chargers/

If only one team goes to L.A., it could be the Chargers

Posted by Mike Florio on September 28, 2015, 3:19 PM EDT

AP

When PFT reported last week that the NFL may send only one team to Los Angeles instead of two, many assumed that this meant the Rams would be the team to make the trek, since owner Stan Kroenke has the means to privately finance a single-team stadium in Inglewood. In the wake of the news from Sunday night that a group of owners is actively opposing Kroenke’s effort to move the Rams to L.A., a source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that if only one team moves to L.A., it quite possibly would be the Chargers.

Per the source, the thinking is that moving the Chargers would make the most sense, because it would preserve much of the San Diego fan base while expanding the team’s existing fan base in L.A.

Moving the Rams not only would rip a team out of St. Louis at a time when St. Louis may be ready to build a new stadium but also wedge a team into L.A. with the Chargers still in San Diego — and the Chargers having no long-term stadium solution.

A poll of all owners, according to the source, likely would result in a majority decision that the Chargers should be the team to move. The problem is that any team that relocates needs a 75-percent supermajority. Which leads back to the point made last night: This question is quickly becoming a matter of high-level league politics.

The politics would include finding a way to adjust the current Chargers-Raiders project in Carson to just the Chargers. But that could be a necessity, due to concerns that it will be difficult for two teams to thrive in a market that for two decades has had none.

One of the concerns, per the source, is the management of the Raiders. If owner Mark Davis had a business partner who would able to properly maximize the opportunities in L.A., the NFL would be more inclined to go along with a move by the Raiders to L.A.

For now, no one knows how it’s going to work out. Last night’s statement from Panthers owner Jerry Richardson to PFT makes it clear that, at some point sooner than later, the NFL will be back in L.A. All that remains to be determined is who goes, when, and where they will play.

[max]

Keep in mind, most of these guys crave power.

They fear giving up power to Kroenke, especially the old guard guys who don't have deep pockets.

[Stranger]

Keep in mind, most of these guys crave power.

They fear giving up power to Kroenke, especially the old guard guys who don't have deep pockets.

Totally agree.

[Hacksaw]

Well there appear to be forces working against our best wishes. Chargers alone is a softer blow to fans getting left behind compared st. Louis. Has there been legs all along that Kroenke is disliked and feared that much?
Still the Chargers don't have an approved site although eventually Carson would be I guess. He'd be up to his eyeballs with GS not believe in a lot of gravy on the table.

Is this all the gentle way to cut Oakland out of the pie now?
It used to be when you read something in the paper you would tend to believe it. Through this entire saga between all the different cities I have lost that faith. This could be real or could be smoke.

And so what if only one team does go to LA just Crocky go rogue. Antitrust and all. His stadium would be done soonest.

Or maybe we're all just dream and all along. I'm really starting to hate the effing chargers

[SoCalRam78]

This Florio guy is basically throwing shit on the wall. Now the Chargers are moving alone? Preserving the San Diego fan base? Yeah, I'm sure their local fan base will be thrilled.

[SoCalRam78]

Well there appear to be forces working against our best wishes. Chargers alone is a softer blow to fans getting left behind compared st. Louis. Has there been legs all along that Kroenke is disliked and feared that much?
Still the Chargers don't have an approved site although eventually Carson would be I guess. He'd be up to his eyeballs with GS not believe in a lot of gravy on the table.

Is this all the gentle way to cut Oakland out of the pie now?
It used to be when you read something in the paper you would tend to believe it. Through this entire saga between all the different cities I have lost that faith. This could be real or could be smoke.

And so what if only one team does go to LA just Crocky go rogue. Antitrust and all. His stadium would be done soonest.

Or maybe we're all just dream and all along. I'm really starting to hate the effing chargers

Carson plan is a crock of bs built on a contaminated land funded by a parasitic investment bank. Spanos and Mark Davis have no money relative to Kroenke. Everyone knows they can't fund a stadium anywhere. It takes not just a wealthy NFL owner but a super wealthy one to do What SK is doing. Can super bank Goldman Sachs build a bank? Sure, they're worth hundreds of billions. Is that good business? No. Spanos will be indebted to them indefinitely. The softer blow to the fan bases is comical. Has this guy gone to a game in St. Louis? It's not Cleveland 1995.

All of this is a ploy to put pressure on SK. At the end of the day, he has the power, money, and better land/project. I'll still stick to that.