[moklerman]

Really?

He's hated here. But no more than Art Modell in Cleveland, the Irsays in Baltimore or Georgia in LA.

Were those owners hated before or after they moved their teams?

[St. Loser Fan]

Were those owners hated before or after they moved their teams?

Modell (Cleveland Browns 1.0) and Georgia were probably liked/hated the same pre-move than Stan. But if I understand it correctly, Irsay was liked in Baltimore until he ran away in the middle of the night.

You have to remember the things didn't go off the rails in St. Louis until Stan went completely silent and refused calls from key public officials.

I know you guys want to assign the worse values you can to St. Louis. But as someone who had multiple relatives killed in Poland by the Nazis (and others who barely got out), I don't appreciate the St. Louis Hitler analogy that snackdaddy dropped.

Admins: I know I'm on a short leash. Please alter or delete as you see fit.

[Haden]

Modell (Cleveland Browns 1.0) and Georgia were probably liked/hated the same pre-move than Stan. But if I understand it correctly, Irsay was liked in Baltimore until he ran away in the middle of the night.

You have to remember the things didn't go off the rails in St. Louis until Stan went completely silent and refused calls from key public officials.

I know you guys want to assign the worse values you can to St. Louis. But as someone who had multiple relatives killed in Poland by the Nazis (and others who barely got out), I don't appreciate the St. Louis Hitler analogy that snackdaddy dropped.

Admins: I know I'm on a short leash. Please alter or delete as you see fit.

You know, I really like a lot of your posts. But bringing up murdered Poles, cmon man. What a reach. St Louis Hitler is just an analogy. No logical person is really taking this as meaning that the person really is like Hitler. Why don't you leave all the StL b.s. behind and simply focus on the Rams commentary?

I lived in L.A. when the Rams moved. I live in Spokane now. I supported them when they were in StL. I support them now. Personally, I think StanK is all about the $$$ and couldn't care less about anything other than collecting assets and the size of his portfolio. Personally, I think Bernie is right. But it doesn't mean that we need a discussion on StL.

[St. Loser Fan]

You know, I really like a lot of your posts. But bringing up murdered Poles, cmon man. What a reach. St Louis Hitler is just an analogy. No logical person is really taking this as meaning that the person really is like Hitler. Why don't you leave all the StL b.s. behind and simply focus on the Rams commentary?

I lived in L.A. when the Rams moved. I live in Spokane now. I supported them when they were in StL. I support them now. Personally, I think StanK is all about the $$$ and couldn't care less about anything other than collecting assets and the size of his portfolio. Personally, I think Bernie is right. But it doesn't mean that we need a discussion on StL.

I've been warned that I'm on thin ice. I just felt bothered by the extremity of the St. Louis hate analogy due to family history. But I guess given my record that pointing that out isn't allowed.

Like I said, if I crossed a line an admin should delete or alter my post.

[OldSchool]

Not going to read through the thread but I don't dislike or have animosity towards St Louis or it's fans. I don't like JT or Bernie or the people in any city that want to attack fans, even if they root for the same team, just because of the city they live in.

[St. Loser Fan]

BTW: Jeff Gordon keeps the butthurt going with his column today.

Enjoy.

[Rams the Legends live on]

I've been warned that I'm on thin ice. I just felt bothered by the extremity of the St. Louis hate analogy due to family history. But I guess given my record that pointing that out isn't allowed.

Like I said, if I crossed a line an admin should delete or alter my post.

Personally I don't think your comment or your umbrage to the analogy is offensive. Especially given the history ya shared.

Personally I did not find the analogy in a proper context or usage because to me it was comparing a outrage or hate that is not apples to apples. There are usages and context where such a analogy or descriptive term would be accurate as heck.

Perhaps saying the Armenians feel the same way about the young Turks as the Jews did about Hitler or if ya wanna explain a feeling of what happened in the Balkans in the 90's and how a mentality or a hate still lingers. I find that would be a most apt description comparing apples to apples to be descriptive.

I can say I have known Snack since back in the original Rams message board days an no offense was meant by him and had he known you had such a history like ya do. He would have used a different analogy. I believe he was just looking to use analogy he found strong enough to say the people in STL despise Stan.

An like I said I don't believe the analogy was fitting here and in my opinion and where I believe you are coming from as well and how it was used does down play the atrocity one was compared to the heart break the other was. So coming from that angle I so do get your umbrage and do not find your offense out of place.

Or the fact you want to be on the record in public forum. While some might say this should have been handled in private. I am of a different opinion, I believe since the analogy was made in public my rules on speech would say then it is fair game to be addressed in public.

However I am not a admin by any means so my opinions are just that mine and have no say one way or the other. I just wanted to say I get where you are coming from and I also wanted to say I know Snack and get what he was seeking to do and had no animosity seeking to offend.

However I would say now any hashing out or coming to a understanding ya'll do I would do in private cause anything further ya'll say is really none of us fellow members business.

[Hacksaw]

Really?
He's hated here. But no more than Art Modell in Cleveland, the Irsays in Baltimore or Georgia in LA.

I know you guys want to assign the worse values you can to St. Louis. But as someone who had multiple relatives killed in Poland by the Nazis (and others who barely got out), I don't appreciate the St. Louis Hitler analogy that snackdaddy dropped.

The hate/anger held by the victims families and survivors of genocides is of course not on the same level as that of a football team moving a few 1000 miles away.

I'm certain snack's analogy wasn't meant to express that he actually feels these event's are on the same level.

Modell (Cleveland Browns 1.0) and Georgia were probably liked/hated the same pre-move than Stan. But if I understand it correctly, Irsay was liked in Baltimore until he ran away in the middle of the night.
You have to remember the things didn't go off the rails in St. Louis until Stan went completely silent and refused calls from key public officials.

It's is a no brainer. It's an emotional reaction.

We love our teams and we love our communities. Professional sports teams represent a city and the competitive nature of sportsmen/ladies hold the local team dear. It's like we are all Rams fans but the city affiliations adds to the emotional bond.

Our fan base knows this better than many/most.

So when an owner turns and leaves it rips part of that bond away, it can feel like an indictment of the hometown the jilted fan loves.
It also makes attending the games very difficult when they are no longer in jilted fans close proximity, so that is frustrating as the community common bond dies off.

I just want to add that it is my guess that the 'like level' drops for any and every owner that moves away.
We didn't like GF before she moved because she was systematically destroying the team she dubiously acquired from her late husband. But the dislike ran up exponentially when she left LA.

We all get it.

[rams74]

We all get it.

Yes, we do all get it. I think the Hitler comment was out of line. I understand it was used without the intent to offend. I just think there are better analogies available to any situation, especially sports, than Hitler. I wish I would never again see Hitler used as the subject of an analogy to some present and current context. I think it's inappropriate.

[Hacksaw]

Yes, we do all get it. I think the Hitler comment was out of line. I understand it was used without the intent to offend. I just think there are better analogies available to any situation, especially sports, than Hitler. I wish I would never again see Hitler used as the subject of an analogy to some present and current context. I think it's inappropriate.

Agreed 74. Just about anything is better than Hitler and the atrocities he ordered.
I am of Armenian decent so I can totally relate . More than half my fathers family 1 generation before him were slaughtered.