[aeneas1]

I don't know, I think the Rams thought they had a winner in Jeff Fisher and they gave him every opportunity to prove it in STL and LA. I think going into this season the Rams management thought they had a steady hand at the helm, and a person that was well-liked within the organization, by the players, and around the league.

I think they probably felt we were a QB away from being a competitor, that Fisher had developed a competitive squad with a strong defense, and that this season was going to make a difference.

So much so, they gave him a contract extension.

But, they were wrong.

When they figured out they were wrong, finally, they made the smart move and cut ties.

I think the organization under Kroenke wants to win, and I never really felt that much under the previous regime. I don't think this was an acceptance of mediocrity in either city, just a god's-honest human mistake.

I'm encouraged they're willing to correct it.

Kudos to the powers-that-be for finally seeing the light. Now build us a winner.

well put...

in fact in his presser demoff implied that had the rams gone 6-10 or 7-9 this season, with the games being relatively close, fisher would have been back in 2017, and the record chalked up as relocation backlash... in short, it seems the rams were willing to go the extra yard to keep fisher, they believed he was the guy for the job, but 3 blowouts in a row changed their thinking.

[Elvis]

I'll be honest.. I don't like that take.

If they knew how to do better, they would have with Fisher.
By the time they realized the tragedy they had.. it was too close to a potential move to get a real candidate to take over. So.. they hoped against hope and stuck with Fisher the last two seasons.

Now.. .painfully clear that he blows.... they're moving on.

To be clear, i'm not saying the Rams hired Fisher because they thought he would be mediocre and that's what they wanted.

My point is it was acceptable in St. Louis because they were trying to leave. And now that they're in L.a. and focused on winning, it's clearly not acceptable...

[HopHead Ram]

To be clear, i'm not saying the Rams hired Fisher because they thought he would be mediocre and that's what they wanted.

My point is it was acceptable in St. Louis because they were trying to leave. And now that they're in L.a. and focused on winning, it's clearly not acceptable...

Perfectly said. From an organization POV, it was playing into their plan. From a fans POV, it was never acceptable.

[dieterbrock]

I don't know, I think the Rams thought they had a winner in Jeff Fisher and they gave him every opportunity to prove it in STL and LA. I think going into this season the Rams management thought they had a steady hand at the helm, and a person that was well-liked within the organization, by the players, and around the league.

I think they probably felt we were a QB away from being a competitor, that Fisher had developed a competitive squad with a strong defense, and that this season was going to make a difference.

So much so, they gave him a contract extension.

But, they were wrong.

When they figured out they were wrong, finally, they made the smart move and cut ties.

I think the organization under Kroenke wants to win, and I never really felt that much under the previous regime. I don't think this was an acceptance of mediocrity in either city, just a god's-honest human mistake.

I'm encouraged they're willing to correct it.

Kudos to the powers-that-be for finally seeing the light. Now build us a winner.

Well said
They thought they had the right guy in Fisher, and it looked like they were on the right track, until they clearly weren't. So they made the change. Like you said, kudos

Championship organizations aren't right all the time. Look at New England. They let Bill Parcells go because he wanted more control and fired Pete Carroll.

[AltiTude Ram]

My point is that I don't think it was acceptable.. it was a product of timing. After year three, they should've fired him. How do you make that situation an attractive pitch to a top tier coach?
I don't think you could. So you bite the bullet and live with him through the move. My point is it wasn't acceptable, but it was basically an impossible situation to get out of in a positive way.

I would disagree with just about all of this. Fisher took the job and turned the team around from what it was. He then lost his starting QB the next 2 seasons to a freak knee injury. In no way could you identify the outcome of all of this after his 3rd season.

I will agree that Fisher was hired to get this team through the move. He did just that. I honestly think there are a few plays that could've went the other way and kept him as coach.

WR's catching 3rd down conversions.

WR's and TE's dropping passes (some in the end zone)

WR's and TE's tipping the ball to the other team for a INT or pick 6

Stupid penalties killing drives

Again, you can blame that all on the coach but those players failed. I'm pretty sure Fisher didn't have a WR tip drill in place or a drop the opening kickoff on the 3 yard line play.

His main fault was not bringing in an experienced OC. That cost him his job. IMO

[RedAlice]

I appreciate your angle.
Here's why I was done after year three...
Bradford was coming off a knee injury and really had done nothing to indicate he would be anything special and he still had the mammoth contract.
I blame Fisher for not seeing that his QB situation was far from set, even with a healthy Bradford. I felt like they should've made a move in that draft.. *especially when Carr fell as far as he did*. (Yes, we all have our.."I woulda made that pick! guy and Carr is mine.)
And.. even moving past that.. when I saw the team come out in game one and get *trucked* by the Vikings.. all hope was lost for me with Fisher as head coach. I talked myself into supporting him and hoping.. but I knew.
There was no indication that the team was ever going to take that next step with him. Great wins here and there.. but no offensive capacity to sustain any success.

At the end of that season.. if there was no possible move on the horizon.. I would've taken Fish out back and shot him.

You are always spot on in intelligent analysis as far as I can tell. Agree with this.

Except for the shooting Fisher part. Maybe woulda just bought him the most expensive fly fishing boots and wished him luck with the river fishes.

[Rams the Legends live on]

His main fault was not bringing in an experienced OC. That cost him his job. IMO

I don't believe it would have mattered bro. Fish would have conserved down any OC he had. He viewed the offense to much as a liability rather than a possibility.

While his view offense was the side of the ball that could hurt you because they can turn it over, is spot on. As it is impossible for the defense to turn over the ball unless they are trying to advance the ball after a offensive turn over and lose it or they do a Leon Lett........LOL

I think this is what limited him and kept him conservative, not that turn overs are not a big deal. From all his pressers it was clear in my opinion he feared turn overs. Instead of trying to manage them he feared them. His fear made him never see the risk/reward.

In turn this kept him locked inside a box, a conservative box that could only offer mediocre at best in today's football schemes of risk and reward.

He failed to understand that a punt is the most common turn over on any given Sunday. He feared the traditional turn over but was willing to turn it over via a punt.

He stayed conservative because of this it never allowed him to see the risk/reward.
I think the biggest disservice to Fish in today's football is he is considered a head coach. He has all the skill sets you want in a coordinator. He slows the game down and breaks everything down into it's own nuance so it can be micromanaged. Which is what ya want your coordinator to do but as the head coach you have to see the macro.

He tried to change the offense for a few weeks and games but in the end he returned to his comfort zone. Which is what I believe he was bound to do with any OC he had. Cause in the end it is his philosophy and ideas that becomes the living daily tenets and dogma.

[max]

The biggest failing of Kroenke and Demoff is their inability to recognize the fatal flaw of a Fisher offense. This flaw was obvious to the veriest tyro, yet shockingly was oblivious to those two apparently intelligent men.

[dieterbrock]

His main fault was not bringing in an experienced OC. That cost him his job. IMO

It's an interesting topic.
Did he not bring one in, or did no experienced OC want the job?
What has stuck in my craw was from all the TC reports, Fisher was in the middle of all the offense. And I really believe that he believed the offense "was close" and that he truly believed Keenum was legit. This is why I think he's gone. I don't think he grasps the modern offense and if he cant grasp it, how can he teach someone else?
In any event, he's gone now and its time to move forward.
Cant debate that Fisher did a lot of great things for the team and pulled us out of the doldrums. Its just a shame he couldn't get the team over the hump