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Centerpiece doesn't mean a lackluster QB. Troy Aikman was not a centerpiece QB, he threw the ball a lot less than guys like Montana, Young, and Favre. But that offense went through Smith and their running game.

My point is that some HC build their offense totally around their QB. FIsher is not that guy. He is more Parcells than Walsh in philosophy.

Well I agree with all that. We were just in a semantics quagmire. When you clarify it then, sure, yeah, makes sense.

Though maybe we quibble about what percentage they run v. pass. I think it would be more balanced (though balanced doesn't mean 50/50 anymore, not these days.) That is, that's how I think they will do it with a franchise qb. With Keenum it's a different story.

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Centerpiece doesn't mean a lackluster QB. Troy Aikman was not a centerpiece QB, he threw the ball a lot less than guys like Montana, Young, and Favre. But that offense went through Smith and their running game.

My point is that some HC build their offense totally around their QB. FIsher is not that guy. He is more Parcells than Walsh in philosophy.

Well I agree with all that. We were just in a semantics quagmire. When you clarify it then, sure, yeah, makes sense.

Though maybe we quibble about what percentage they run v. pass. I think it would be more balanced (though balanced doesn't mean 50/50 anymore, not these days.) That is, that's how I think they will do it with a franchise qb. With Keenum it's a different story.

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I have come to detest the term, franchise QB.

I like the term, "sustainable QB", as the threshold of what a team needs to win a SB under normal conditions. That is, not having an all-time great D.

A sustainable QB is capable of producing at a consistently proficient level for many years, but they are not elite (Brady), nor even one step down from elite (Roethlisberger). They are guys like Flacco, Eli, and Ryan.

That's all Fisher needs with his philosophy. That's what Parcells had in Phil Simms.

Keenum is not a sustainable QB. He is a stop gap until Fisher gets a QB with more talent up to speed to be at least a sustainable QB.

I think we can all agree that the Rams are drafting a QB within the first 2 rounds of this draft. I just want him to be sustainable and not another Christian Ponder. Those are the 2 most likely outcomes. Elite, and near elite are dream outcomes. Those would be total gravy.

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btw, another reason I prefer the term sustainable QB is that Bradford wasn't. He couldn't stay on the field. You can't count on him to be there one year after the next.

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Centerpiece doesn't mean a lackluster QB. Troy Aikman was not a centerpiece QB, he threw the ball a lot less than guys like Montana, Young, and Favre. But that offense went through Smith and their running game.

My point is that some HC build their offense totally around their QB. FIsher is not that guy. He is more Parcells than Walsh in philosophy.

Well I agree with all that. We were just in a semantics quagmire. When you clarify it then, sure, yeah, makes sense.

Though maybe we quibble about what percentage they run v. pass. I think it would be more balanced (though balanced doesn't mean 50/50 anymore, not these days.) That is, that's how I think they will do it with a franchise qb. With Keenum it's a different story.

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I have come to detest the term, franchise QB.

I like the term, "sustainable QB", as the threshold of what a team needs to win a SB under normal conditions. That is, not having an all-time great D.

A sustainable QB is capable of producing at a consistently proficient level for many years, but they are not elite (Brady), nor even one step down from elite (Roethlisberger). They are guys like Flacco, Eli, and Ryan.

That's all Fisher needs with his philosophy. That's what Parcells had in Phil Simms.

Keenum is not a sustainable QB. He is a stop gap until Fisher gets a QB with more talent up to speed to be at least a sustainable QB.

I think we can all agree that the Rams are drafting a QB within the first 2 rounds of this draft. I just want him to be sustainable and not another Christian Ponder. Those are the 2 most likely outcomes. Elite, and near elite are dream outcomes. Those would be total gravy.

Very well put.

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Keenum is ... a stop gap until Fisher gets a QB with more talent up to speed to be at least a sustainable QB.

True, but...do you know anyone who says any different?

I mean, are you arguing with someone? Or just insistently reiterating the obvious consensus?

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I have come to detest the term, franchise QB.

I like the term, "sustainable QB"

And then there's always the term "system QB".

Great post max. I totally agree with your detestment and your alternative term.

I'd take Lynch, Cook or even Hackenabush from Penn St. And I'm still not counting out Mannion or Foles, though I'm skeptical of Keenum.

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Not sure now if Higbee gets drafted.

According to a police report obtained by Zach Greenwell of the Bowling Green Daily News, Higbee punched a man outside a Kentucky bar and left the victim with a brain hemorrhage. As of Monday morning, the victim is in stable condition, but still unresponsive.

In addition to that arrested for second degree assault, public intoxication and evading police.

WOW, what an idiot. No way they draft him now. Boy cost himself a lot of $$, not to mention seriously hurting another human being. Tool.

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Keenum is ... a stop gap until Fisher gets a QB with more talent up to speed to be at least a sustainable QB.

True, but...do you know anyone who says any different?

I mean, are you arguing with someone? Or just insistently reiterating the obvious consensus?

Both.

I have actually seen posts on other boards that say don't draft a QB. Keenum or Mannion should be given a chance to be the answer.

But also I was putting Keenum in a larger context of what a less than sustainable QB looks like.

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Not sure now if Higbee gets drafted.

According to a police report obtained by Zach Greenwell of the Bowling Green Daily News, Higbee punched a man outside a Kentucky bar and left the victim with a brain hemorrhage. As of Monday morning, the victim is in stable condition, but still unresponsive.

In addition to that arrested for second degree assault, public intoxication and evading police.

WOW, what an idiot. No way they draft him now. Boy cost himself a lot of $$, not to mention seriously hurting another human being. Tool.

They're also looking into hate crimes on the kid because the guy he punched is reported to be a Muslim. Nobody is really releasing all the details.