[Hacksaw]

Are these guys franchise quarterbacks?

[majik]

We can't be cheap on giving up picks. Pull the trigger and do it.

Do we want a franchise QB or not?

And if we wait until 15 and draft Lynch we will get one, just one that will not be a Year 1 starter

[BuiltRamTough]

Are these guys franchise quarterbacks?

I don't think anyone could say for sure. So many first round QB busts before.

One thing is for certain though. The Rams currently don't have a franchise QB on their roster.

[dieterbrock]

Are these guys franchise quarterbacks?

I don't think anyone could say for sure. So many first round QB busts before.

One thing is for certain though. The Rams currently don't have a franchise QB on their roster.

I don't think there have been a lot of 1st round busts that weren't a surprise. Ryan Leaf is the only guy that I think had all the tools but they couldn't measure what was in his heart. I guess Rick Mirer too. But all the other bust types IMO were over drafted and no shock they didn't pan out. Sanchez, teblow, Gabbert, Manuel etc were all destined for badness. I just don't view them the same way as Bortles, Luck, Winston etc

[max]

Come on, guys. This isn't that hard.

Ravens pick
#6 = 1600

Rams picks
#15 = 1050
#43 = 470 (2nd rounder)
#110 = 74 (4th rounder)
total = 1594

That's it. No extra 2nd rounder. Not even a extra 3rd rounder. Just our 1st, 2nd, and 4th is fair compensation to move up to #6.

Now the Rams may decide they want to keep the 4th rounder this year and give them a 3rd rounder next year. That's how this thing works, you always move up a round if you wait a year for the pick.

[The Ripper]

Are these guys franchise quarterbacks?

I don't think anyone could say for sure. So many first round QB busts before.

One thing is for certain though. The Rams currently don't have a franchise QB on their roster.

I don't think there have been a lot of 1st round busts that weren't a surprise. Ryan Leaf is the only guy that I think had all the tools but they couldn't measure what was in his heart. I guess Rick Mirer too. But all the other bust types IMO were over drafted and no shock they didn't pan out. Sanchez, teblow, Gabbert, Manuel etc were all destined for badness. I just don't view them the same way as Bortles, Luck, Winston etc

How could you forget JaMarcus Russell. You're right not many real busts, most are over drafted and that could be the case this year. Going back to articles before the Senior Bowl, they had Wentz either as the 2nd or 3rd QB. What's changed has he gotten better or did everyone jump on the bandwagon and made his ratings match the recommendations. The following isn't before but it statistically compares this years qb's with others going back to 95.


"'Wentz's efficiency stats aren't bad by any means, but they're firmly in the middle tier of previous first-round picks. Of the 52 quarterbacks taken in the first round from 1995 to 2015, Wentz would be 30th in AY/A and 33rd in passing efficiency rating. The guys right in front of him in AY/A are Mark Sanchez and Blake Bortles, and those behind him are Jim Druckenmiller and Brandon Weeden. Dubious company, indeed."

https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/767 ... -superior#

[Hacksaw]

Point taken, and a true concern. Can Went, Goff or Lynch scrap and bring the Rams back in a must score situation? Does he have the leadership? The guts/smarts to put a team on his back late in the 4th,, or the stuff to compel the team to let him,, a comebacker? Can he impose his will on as well as read a defense. Audible and make the throws? A franchise guy should excel in many if not most of those traits...

I really want a QB this year and would honestly feel better if Case wasn't our best option. Just don't overpay. If they do I am not sure what to make about Snead's comments about QB,

[OldSchool]

Come on, guys. This isn't that hard.

Ravens pick
#6 = 1600

Rams picks
#15 = 1050
#43 = 470 (2nd rounder)
#110 = 74 (4th rounder)
total = 1594

That's it. No extra 2nd rounder. Not even a extra 3rd rounder. Just our 1st, 2nd, and 4th is fair compensation to move up to #6.

Now the Rams may decide they want to keep the 4th rounder this year and give them a 3rd rounder next year. That's how this thing works, you always move up a round if you wait a year for the pick.

And if the Niners are offering those same round picks which will all be more points are you going to up your offer or let him go to the Niners? That's where we're talking about it might take more/higher picks. Or the Ravens at 6 are in love with a guy and don't think they can get him at 15 we have to convince them to move down. We all know at face value those picks work on the trade chart that's not a question.

[The Ripper]

Point taken, and a true concern. Can Went, Goff or Lynch scrap and bring the Rams back in a must score situation? Does he have the leadership? The guts/smarts to put a team on his back late in the 4th,, or the stuff to compel the team to let him,, a comebacker? Can he impose his will on as well as read a defense. Audible and make the throws? A franchise guy should excel in many if not most of those traits...

I really want a QB this year and would honestly feel better if Case wasn't our best option. Just don't overpay. If they do I am not sure what to make about Snead's comments about QB,

I am not saying not to take them, my worry is moving up and giving up a first. I would be thrilled with any of them but I would like to see them sit for awhile to adjust to the speed of the NFL.

Snead may not believe that the QB's' in the draft are first year starters so he would like Case to be the QB till the new one is ready. The problem is what happens if Snead and Fisher are out in 2 years and we bring in a new staff that wants to go in a different direction so we will go through all of this again.

[max]

Come on, guys. This isn't that hard.

Ravens pick
#6 = 1600

Rams picks
#15 = 1050
#43 = 470 (2nd rounder)
#110 = 74 (4th rounder)
total = 1594

That's it. No extra 2nd rounder. Not even a extra 3rd rounder. Just our 1st, 2nd, and 4th is fair compensation to move up to #6.

Now the Rams may decide they want to keep the 4th rounder this year and give them a 3rd rounder next year. That's how this thing works, you always move up a round if you wait a year for the pick.

And if the Niners are offering those same round picks which will all be more points are you going to up your offer or let him go to the Niners? That's where we're talking about it might take more/higher picks. Or the Ravens at 6 are in love with a guy and don't think they can get him at 15 we have to convince them to move down. We all know at face value those picks work on the trade chart that's not a question.

No team ever gives up picks significantly beyond the trade table to get to #6. We aren't talking about QBs like Elway or Luck. These QBs have major warts, I wouldn't give away the farm for any of them.

Show me the last time someone moved up to the 6th spot and gave up signifcantly beyond the trade table. You won't find it because it's never happened.