[Hacksaw]

While I agree that Fisher realized his leash was longer than normal due to the pending relocation, I really doubt it had much effect on what he did. Head coaches in the NFL are incredibly competitive. You don't get to where Fisher has gotten without having a huge drive to succeed. I just don't believe that he was waiting to get to LA before he really turns it on. Rather, I think the game has mostly passed him by and he has shown very little ability/desire to make the necessary changes. He plays the game to keep it close and then when they lose close games, he tells us how they easily could have won them.

I do realize, by the way, that Denver winning the Superbowl, with the kind of team they fielded this year, works against my argument. They showed you CAN win a Superbowl with a Fisher-type model. I just think it's a very difficult way to go and Fisher hasn't gotten anywhere with that plan.

I believe the trick is to have all 3. Denver's ST's are more than adequate, their D played stellar and the O isn't bad even with their aging QB. Dude still manages a game well and makes the plays when he has to. The latter is something the Rams don't have.

[snackdaddy]

While I agree that Fisher realized his leash was longer than normal due to the pending relocation, I really doubt it had much effect on what he did. Head coaches in the NFL are incredibly competitive. You don't get to where Fisher has gotten without having a huge drive to succeed. I just don't believe that he was waiting to get to LA before he really turns it on. Rather, I think the game has mostly passed him by and he has shown very little ability/desire to make the necessary changes. He plays the game to keep it close and then when they lose close games, he tells us how they easily could have won them.

I do realize, by the way, that Denver winning the Superbowl, with the kind of team they fielded this year, works against my argument. They showed you CAN win a Superbowl with a Fisher-type model. I just think it's a very difficult way to go and Fisher hasn't gotten anywhere with that plan.

True. But as bad as Denver's offense was at times, they were still better than the Rams with Foles. His poor play cost several games. Keenum was
better but not by a lot. If Fisher can find a serviceable quarterback he can win with this team. They could use help at receiver too. Those guys aren't consistent chain movers. Austin's a gimmick guy. Exciting and dangerous but not a consistent route runner who can move the chains. Britt's an occasional big play guy. Quick is a bump on a log. Cook is a drop machine and disappears for long periods. They need a legit route running receiver who knows how to make catches when needed. And of course, a quarterback who can get him the ball. Not many choices out there for quarterback but its not like there's a higher standard to achieve with this team.

[Gareth]

True. But as bad as Denver's offense was at times, they were still better than the Rams with Foles. His poor play cost several games. Keenum was
better but not by a lot. If Fisher can find a serviceable quarterback he can win with this team. They could use help at receiver too. Those guys aren't consistent chain movers. Austin's a gimmick guy. Exciting and dangerous but not a consistent route runner who can move the chains. Britt's an occasional big play guy. Quick is a bump on a log. Cook is a drop machine and disappears for long periods. They need a legit route running receiver who knows how to make catches when needed. And of course, a quarterback who can get him the ball. Not many choices out there for quarterback but its not like there's a higher standard to achieve with this team.

I agree with your points here. The only problem is that I don't trust Fisher on any of it. Four years of consistent horror will do that to a guy.

[snackdaddy]

True. But as bad as Denver's offense was at times, they were still better than the Rams with Foles. His poor play cost several games. Keenum was
better but not by a lot. If Fisher can find a serviceable quarterback he can win with this team. They could use help at receiver too. Those guys aren't consistent chain movers. Austin's a gimmick guy. Exciting and dangerous but not a consistent route runner who can move the chains. Britt's an occasional big play guy. Quick is a bump on a log. Cook is a drop machine and disappears for long periods. They need a legit route running receiver who knows how to make catches when needed. And of course, a quarterback who can get him the ball. Not many choices out there for quarterback but its not like there's a higher standard to achieve with this team.

I agree with your points here. The only problem is that I don't trust Fisher on any of it. Four years of consistent horror will do that to a guy.

Yeah, he hasn't produced a winner in his 4 years. But I'm not sure I call it 4 years of horror. The 5 years prior to that was horror. What we've seen from him is a team always on the cusp but not quite there. We get teases of how good they can be only to be followed by how bad they can be. He's got one more year to change that. He's getting close but has never gotten over the hump. We'll see if this is the year.

[Hacksaw]

The 5 years prior to that was horror.

2007 ,,, NFC West ,,, 4th ,,, 3-13-0
2008 ,,, NFC West ,,, 4th ,,, 2-14-0
2009 ,,, NFC West ,,, 4th ,,, 1-15-0
2010 ,,, NFC West ,,, 2nd ,,, 7-9-0 - - Sam Bradford (OROY)
2011 ,,, NFC West ,,, 4th ,,, 2-14-0
............................. 15-65-0 = HORROR

[dieterbrock]

My whole thing is continuity.

I don't want to be like these other teams and fire a coach after 2 seasons. That gets you no where.

It make sense to do that if the roster is horrible and the coach has lost the team and can't find a QB.

I don't get this continuity concept.
The only continuity Fisher brings is a losing record.
The team isn't improving year over year yet the talent level does appear to.
Denver is on their 4th HC in the last 8 years. The last 3 got fired. 3 of the 4 made it to the Superbowl and 2 won
they weren't afraid to jeopardize the continuity and it paid off.

Fisher is the coach for 2016, and I'll support him because I don't have a choice.
I would have been happy had they gone in another direction this year, as 4 years is way more than enough time

And I refuse to buy in to the conspiracy theory because, 1) I don't think fisher is a good enough to coach that he can magically win when he needs to and lose when he doesn't and 2) any coach that lets his players bust their ass while his intention is to not win is deplorable and doesn't deserve a job

[Gareth]

Yeah, he hasn't produced a winner in his 4 years. But I'm not sure I call it 4 years of horror. The 5 years prior to that was horror. What we've seen from him is a team always on the cusp but not quite there. We get teases of how good they can be only to be followed by how bad they can be. He's got one more year to change that. He's getting close but has never gotten over the hump. We'll see if this is the year.

The "horror" remark was specifically referring to the offense. Sadly, I think we can all agree on that.

[BuiltRamTough]

My whole thing is continuity.

I don't want to be like these other teams and fire a coach after 2 seasons. That gets you no where.

It make sense to do that if the roster is horrible and the coach has lost the team and can't find a QB.

I don't get this continuity concept.
The only continuity Fisher brings is a losing record.
The team isn't improving year over year yet the talent level does appear to.
Denver is on their 4th HC in the last 8 years. The last 3 got fired. 3 of the 4 made it to the Superbowl and 2 won
they weren't afraid to jeopardize the continuity and it paid off.

Fisher is the coach for 2016, and I'll support him because I don't have a choice.
I would have been happy had they gone in another direction this year, as 4 years is way more than enough time

And I refuse to buy in to the conspiracy theory because, 1) I don't think fisher is a good enough to coach that he can magically win when he needs to and lose when he doesn't and 2) any coach that lets his players bust their ass while his intention is to not win is deplorable and doesn't deserve a job

Denver hasn't made it to the super bowl 3 times in 8 years.

Things would be different if Manning was playing for the Rams.

It's part Fishers fault bc he hasn't found the guy. But it's hard finding a QB and Bradford got injuried.

Let's see what Gary Kubiak does without Peyton. After all he was very successful in Houston.

Let's see what John Fox does with Cutler and the Bears.

[dieterbrock]

My whole thing is continuity.

I don't want to be like these other teams and fire a coach after 2 seasons. That gets you no where.

It make sense to do that if the roster is horrible and the coach has lost the team and can't find a QB.

I don't get this continuity concept.
The only continuity Fisher brings is a losing record.
The team isn't improving year over year yet the talent level does appear to.
Denver is on their 4th HC in the last 8 years. The last 3 got fired. 3 of the 4 made it to the Superbowl and 2 won
they weren't afraid to jeopardize the continuity and it paid off.

Fisher is the coach for 2016, and I'll support him because I don't have a choice.
I would have been happy had they gone in another direction this year, as 4 years is way more than enough time

And I refuse to buy in to the conspiracy theory because, 1) I don't think fisher is a good enough to coach that he can magically win when he needs to and lose when he doesn't and 2) any coach that lets his players bust their ass while his intention is to not win is deplorable and doesn't deserve a job

Denver hasn't made it to the super bowl 3 times in 8 years.

Things would be different if Manning was playing for the Rams.

It's part Fishers fault bc he hasn't found the guy. But it's hard finding a QB and Bradford got injuried.

Let's see what Gary Kubiak does without Peyton. After all he was very successful in Houston.

Let's see what John Fox does with Cutler and the Bears.

I didn't say Denver made it to the Superbowl 3 times in 8 years, I said that 3 of their last 4 coaches have led them to the Superbowl (2 got fired)
Things would be different with Manning? How so? Seeing he had 9td to 17int this reg season I'm not sure adding him would make things better or worse.
Which brings back to continuity. What continuity has Fisher shown that is positive? The roster is better but the results aren't.
Im not down with that type of continuity.
I don't give Fisher a pass for not finding the right guy. Why?
Because if a guy wants to win, and needs "the guy", then why is he dumpster diving for a QB when its the most important role on the field?
He's looking for a franchise QB among, Kellen Clemens, Austin Davis, Shaun Hill, Case Keenum, Nick Foles, Sean Mannion and Garrett Gilbert?

[dieterbrock]

I believe the trick is to have all 3. Denver's ST's are more than adequate, their D played stellar and the O isn't bad even with their aging QB. Dude still manages a game well and makes the plays when he has to. The latter is something the Rams don't have.

I think people are forgetting a major difference here. When preparing for Denver, teams prepare for Manning playing at his best. Reputation does make a difference.

Also, as bad as Denver offense was THIS year, they still averaged over 22 points a game, Rams 18