[Hacksaw]

And Stafford will not do any better than any other qb whose OL is weak in the middle.

Has nothing to do with reading defenses. Behind a better OL (that was stronger in the middle than the Rams 2020 OL) Stafford got sacked more.

It does not matter if you can read Ds if your line will not let you step up under a heavy rush.

Otherwise there's no point in the Rams investing so much in Donald. You can beat any qb by disrupting the middle. The Rams need Donald to do it to other teams. Other teams can do it to the Rams without Donald.

I won't argue that a line weak between the tackles isn't a problem. Certainly not ideal. But if given a choice between the 2 qbs I'd take Stafford all day long as he can identify what is happening faster. His release is faster. He's not afraid to take a hit or air it out under pressure. I really don't expect McV to alter the offense to protect Stafford as he did with Goff. There is a difference between the 2 players and I'm sure Stafford will perform better under the same circumstances.
Ideal no. Hopefully they can address it this year but I see it happening in 2022 unless we pull a miracle in the draft..

[moklerman]

I won't argue that a line weak between the tackles isn't a problem. Certainly not ideal. But if given a choice between the 2 qbs I'd take Stafford all day long as he can identify what is happening faster. His release is faster. He's not afraid to take a hit or air it out under pressure. I really don't expect McV to alter the offense to protect Stafford as he did with Goff. There is a difference between the 2 players and I'm sure Stafford will perform better under the same circumstances.
Ideal no. Hopefully they can address it this year but I see it happening in 2022 unless we pull a miracle in the draft..

Don't bother. All he's trying to do is start a narrative that the Rams OL was as bad as the Lions. Which it wasn't. The Rams OL wasn't great but it wasn't bad.

But if the Rams OL wasn't bad that means that Goff himself struggled. Which some refuse to accept. But that's the point of the article in this thread and the reason McVay booted him out the door. Goff struggled with pressure, turnovers and taking advantage of defenses daring him to beat them.

Been saying since '18 that Goff was leaving plays on the field and turning positives into negatives. He just wasn't seeing things the same as McVay and a new QB, especially a good QB, is going to get this offense humming again.

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I won't argue that a line weak between the tackles isn't a problem. Certainly not ideal. But if given a choice between the 2 qbs I'd take Stafford all day long as he can identify what is happening faster. His release is faster. He's not afraid to take a hit or air it out under pressure. I really don't expect McV to alter the offense to protect Stafford as he did with Goff. There is a difference between the 2 players and I'm sure Stafford will perform better under the same circumstances.
Ideal no. Hopefully they can address it this year but I see it happening in 2022 unless we pull a miracle in the draft..

To me you;re just saying a veteran qb is better than a younger one. Sure. Though some of the things you seem to be saying Goff couldn't do, he routinely did.

There are several games in which Goff played well under heavy pressure. Stafford's numbers on that are just not that different.

Stafford is not going to make up for weak OL play. Nothing in his history indicates that. He's no different than any other qb when it comes to that. And the idea that Goff always wilted under pressure is a myth. We have the stats on qb pressures game by game, PFR keeps them. They do not indicate a deficient Goff v. a superior Stafford when it comes to facing heavy pressure. They are far more alike than different. That's just what the actual pressure numbers tell us.

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[ramsman34]

My bottom line-Stafford is a lot more fiery than Goff. He won’t take any shit from anyone yet. He will own up to his mistakes. He isn’t sensitive nor easily ego bruised or his confidence shaken. Those are all serious intangibles that mesh well with his athletic skills. This offense could be stopped scary. Get the middle of the OL improved, Snead, and we should be in the thick of it till the end.

[max]

A couple of things.

This is probably Thirys best work ever.

It’s gonna be fascinating to watch how this plays out in Detroit and LA.

And go back and read the Silver/Goff thread from the end of last year. It told me a lot about who has good insight on the Rams, and who are clueless.

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My bottom line-Stafford is a lot more fiery than Goff. He won’t take any shit from anyone yet. He will own up to his mistakes. He isn’t sensitive nor easily ego bruised or his confidence shaken. Those are all serious intangibles that mesh well with his athletic skills. This offense could be stopped scary. Get the middle of the OL improved, Snead, and we should be in the thick of it till the end.

You know, all the Detroit people I read talk about how similar Goff and Stafford are, especially in terms of personality. Do not expect the fan's "fiery qb" fantasy (and since I don't share that fantasy, thank goodness). Goff owned up to his mistakes. Goff is as well adjusted and tough as Stafford.

BUT the big difference is, Stafford is a savvy 13 year vet who knows more about quarterbacking than McVay, so McVay will never pull that kind of "bad coach" impatient abuse stuff on him. McVay will listen to Stafford. That is one of the big advantages here.

That way we don't have to excuse that behavior, and instead maybe McV will unlearn it. I see that as a huge plus.

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[snackdaddy]

Every quarterback is gonna get sacked on occasion. Its what they do when they aren't getting sacked or heavily pressured. I remember some greats like Joe Montana getting sacked then making plays when they had the time. When the plays are there to be made they made them. McVay felt Goff was leaving plays on the field. Apparently he also felt Goff was not going to get better in that area.

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Every quarterback is gonna get sacked on occasion. Its what they do when they aren't getting sacked or heavily pressured. I remember some greats like Joe Montana getting sacked then making plays when they had the time. When the plays are there to be made they made them. McVay felt Goff was leaving plays on the field. Apparently he also felt Goff was not going to get better in that area.

You would have said the same thing about Stafford after his 5th year.

Yeah Goff can get better...he just needs a real qb coach.

Either way people are talking as though the Rams qb was the 2020 version of Carson Wentz. When in fact they went 10-6 and won a playoff game.

The advantage of Stafford is that a 13 year vet doesn't need that kind of coaching and development. McVay is not going to go toxic on him. He will probably actually listen to him.

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[Hacksaw]

To me you;re just saying a veteran qb is better than a younger one. Sure. Though some of the things you seem to be saying Goff couldn't do, he routinely did.

There are several games in which Goff played well under heavy pressure. Stafford's numbers on that are just not that different.

Stafford is not going to make up for weak OL play. Nothing in his history indicates that. He's no different than any other qb when it comes to that. And the idea that Goff always wilted under pressure is a myth. We have the stats on qb pressures game by game, PFR keeps them. They do not indicate a deficient Goff v. a superior Stafford when it comes to facing heavy pressure. They are far more alike than different. That's just what the actual pressure numbers tell us.

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Don't agree with most of your assessment.

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Don't agree with most of your assessment.

It's numbers. Want to see them? Stafford and Goff in 2020 in games under heavy pressure. They are just not that different. That's not an "assessment" that's cold fact.

Stafford's big advantage is his experience--savvy 13 year vet. But he had an inconsistent 5th year too. There's nothing rare about that.

I will say that I like Stafford, I like the fact that he's a 13 year vet, and I look forward to seeing him. But if the OL has the same number of just plain bad games in 2021 that they did in 2020 (around 4 or 5 of them)...Stafford is not going to make up for it on his own.

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