[SWAdude]

Lastly, what also freaks me a bit, is that he (my friend) insists that the work Kroenke group has done with Inglewood property, the clearing/grading etc has already increased the value of that property 10 fold

The group that Kroenke has a partnership with has done improvements but Kroenke's land remains untouched. Not even ANY equipment or materials using to improve the former Hollywood Park land have encroached Stan's land.

If that work has increased the value of the land 10 fold that would make it worth 700 million. That alone is about the minimum increase Stan would experience with the increase of the Rams value if they moved. I have a bit of back ground in California real estate and can say that is not even close to true. Maybe double at the very most. Which alone would be a fantastic, pie in the sky. return on a two year investment.

All being said, I can;t see the NFL not taking advantage of what Kroenke has to offer. All the owners gain from this investment. Its all political moves right now.

Kroenke's is shovel ready. The others are more conceptual than reality. Carson and St. Louis have so many hurdles to jump through it could open up a major NFL problem if they can't get it done while not allowing the Rams to move. Damages? Into the billions the owners would have to pony up. They are very well aware of this. Kroenke likely wins either way.

[Stranger]

IMO, the reason there are some owners on Spanos side is "Fear" fear that in the future they won't have the Cash that Kroenke has to move forward. Guys like Jerry Richardson, Clark Hunt and Dan Rooney for example are part of the old guard and their team is their major revenue stream currently. Let's be honest they are not starving, but they are not in Kroenke's league financially few are and the reason they might be in Spanos corner is to protect their own interest long term.

In the end I concur with many one would surmise to follow the money and that usually wins and for the Rams sake I hope so because my fear would be if they keep ESK in St. Louis, he will wait to purchase the Broncos and then sell the Rams to somebody with much less to offer and our team will be stuck in a city of no growth and with an owner with less means to move them forward and the sad part is the "Pro St. Louis" people would embrace that scenario which again showcases they can't see the forest for the trees.

great post.

den is a great poster. Love reading his stuff.

Yes, I agree.

And I'd also add that overall I'm extremely impressed by everyone here. I like that we're small, informative, and generally respectful of each other without losing our lightheartedness.

[den-the-coach]

You missed my point entirely.
He knows what Kronke is about and if the owners want him to back down he will
Kroenke isn't a flipper. He didn't develop the land to flip it.
Only point there is that if he can't get his stadium he's still making a killing.
Not that it's a better alternative

No, I got it, but overall he will not be making the killing. IMO at that level those guys always make money, there is far more to it than that, he wants to leave a legacy, the man who returned football to the city of angels. It is not about money, it's about legacy and that's the way people with billions start thinking when they get older, very similar to Andrew Carnegie and John Davison Rockefeller.

[Hacksaw]

ESK didn't know he'd get the nod. It was a calculated risk. Any smart business would have an alternative profitable plan. No brainer.
As far as him being " an unassuming guy ", that characterization flies in the face of the Bloomberg article and other reports of his business methods.
I'm sure ESK is nice at the dinner table.

[SoCalRam78]

That Hollywood Park land has always been extremely desirable for any project. It sits near LAX, centrally located near Marina del Rey, West Holywood, BH, Brentwood, Bel Air, Westwood and closer to the SF Valley/Downtown than Carson. Point being, it's always been extremely valuable. It's going to be developed one or way or another. Saying it's more valuable now that the majority of it has been graded is an obvious statement of fact, but its not worth 10 x more. That is a hyperbolic statement.

Let's compare that to Carson that has stood for decades with a bunch of projects considered and not started. That land will sit idle without a stadium.

I agree with you though on going rogue. This is complete speculation that is based in zero fact. Not everyone is Al Davis. But SK has invested a lot of money in that project up till this point. Again, let's compare that to Carson, where the Charaiders have invested little money in comparison and everything is based on contingencies. Follow the money trail.