[aeneas1]

Bottom line: Goff has been pretty good and figures to be even better. They usually win with him. Not sure how much more you can ask of him.

i'd change that to:

bottom line: goff has been damn good and figures to be even better. no team has won more games with their starting qb over the past two seasons than the rams with goff. not sure how much more you can ask of him max.

[moklerman]

Color me shocked. A writer doesn't rank Goff as elite in every, single aspect of his game so he's a hack and a rube.

The guy says that Goff needs to improve in a couple of areas and he'll be elite. Not that he's bad in those areas, just that he needs to continue to improve. But that he's right there on the cusp of being one of the elite QB's in the game. What a jerk.

[moklerman]

i'd change that to:

bottom line: goff has been damn good and figures to be even better. no team has won more games with their starting qb over the past two seasons than the rams with goff. not sure how much more you can ask of him max.

Joe Flacco was 24-8 when he was 25/26 years old with the Ravens. Are Flacco and Goff equitable?

[max]

Why make it personal? That's the one approach that has no value.

It’s hard for me to take a1 as getting personal on this stuff. He just can’t see any use of stats unless it paints a rosy picture of the Rams. So it’s only natural that he wouldn’t be able to process someone else using stats to show a less than rosy picture.

[aeneas1]

Color me shocked. A writer doesn't rank Goff as elite in every, single aspect of his game so he's a hack and a rube.

The guy says that Goff needs to improve in a couple of areas and he'll be elite. Not that he's bad in those areas, just that he needs to continue to improve. But that he's right there on the cusp of being one of the elite QB's in the game. What a jerk.

mokler in the house! having a good summer?

re your response, when i read a young blogger label goff a second-tier qb and then attempt to support this claim with stats that he clearly doesn't understand (time to throw), numbers that are flat out wrong (qb rating when trailing by a score with 7 minutes remaining, rz scoring %), or is "troubled" by goff not ranking higher in a stat ("aggressiveness") that ranks rosen 1st, darnold 5th, while ranking mahomes ranked 37th, rodgers 30th, wilson 28th, brady 27th, brees 23rd, etc., etc., i have to call rube - does that make me a bad guy? did you read the "piece"?

Joe Flacco was 24-8 when he was 25/26 years old with the Ravens. Are Flacco and Goff equitable?

well considering flacco did it behind one helluva a defense that held offenses to an average of 15.6 per game during that 2-year span, while leading his offense to 10+ fewer points per game than goff, i'm gonna say no... and same answer to "is dilfer a better qb than goff (and marino, kelly, fouts, tarkenton, moon, etc.) because he won a super bowl and goff didn't?"

[aeneas1]

It’s hard for me to take a1 as getting personal on this stuff. He just can’t see any use of stats unless it paints a rosy picture of the Rams. So it’s only natural that he wouldn’t be able to process someone else using stats to show a less than rosy picture.

yeah, a1 and his rose-colored glasses, can't appreciate hard-hitting, telling stats when he sees them!

[/zn/]

I think Goff's history suggests that even with an overall good run the last 2 years, he can and will improve.

[Elvis]

It’s hard for me to take a1 as getting personal on this stuff. He just can’t see any use of stats unless it paints a rosy picture of the Rams. So it’s only natural that he wouldn’t be able to process someone else using stats to show a less than rosy picture.

If you ever check out his statistical take on the defense you'd know that isn't the case...

[/zn/]

If you ever check out his statistical take on the defense you'd know that isn't the case...

Hard to deny the defense was a problem during the regular season.

And as long as we are defending people, Max has presented many statistical takes that hold up.

Everyone is both right and wrong about these things a fair amount of the time. No one's 100%. That's probably why it never pays to make it personal.


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[/zn/]

I think Goff's history suggests that even with an overall good run the last 2 years, he can and will improve.

Adding detail to that.

Where can he improve?

Well the offense this off-season has him working on going through his progressions more quickly when the Rams face an unexpected defensive look post-snap. Young qbs have not "seen it all" and there were times last year when Goff was confronted with that.

He can also be better under pressure, but in a lot of ways that's the same thing--when the OL gets shakier you adjust to that with quick, decisive passing.

He is already, according to his play and the stats, a clutch qb. In the last 2 years he has won a fair percentage of close games when the Rams were behind. Being clutch is not only important in itself, it builds a team's confidence in their qb.

He can be better in the redzone and in fact, in 2017, was better than he was in 2018. (in 2017 inside the 10 he completed 63.5% fir 14 TDs and 0 INts, and a qb rating of 107.2; in 2018, he complete 50% for 16 TDs and 2 INTs, and a qb rating of 79.2).

Young qbs can always improve. For example in his third year, Brady had 8 of 16 games where he earned a qb rating of less that 80, including 3 in a row at the end of the season. He was just being a 3rd year qb. In comparison, in his third year, Goff had 5 games like that (below 80 qb rating) and that was out of 19 games, not 16 (of course passing stats are also more inflated now than they were in 2002....but still. ) So again it's reasonable to expect improvement...3rd year qbs are still young.