[Horny Mcbae]

In hindsight only.

You really think I haven't seen that play like over a hundred times from many different angles?

Dude, I am a super fan if you hadn't noticed.

I respect your opinion.

I am not doubting your fandom though. I am sure you've seen the play many times over but that's not what the discussion is about or what Elvis' point was about. The discussion is about the thought process and decision making behind the play which you cannot see on replay.

I gave a very relatable example about playing basketball or football or soccer and defending a guy who gets past you...…… at that moment you have a choice to either foul or let the guy go. Like how in soccer you'll see defenders foul players sometimes when they are through on goal even if gives them a red card but saves a goal. Or in basketball when the guy blows past you and rather foul him and make him shoot free throws rather than an easy bucket. I didn't agree with you point in your earlier reply that "you've never seen what I described in that dynamic" when if you've played sports at any level you've experienced that yourself. Unless you were some stud defender who NEVER got beat, which you could have been. Lol.

[SWAdude]

I am not doubting your fandom though. I am sure you've seen the play many times over but that's not what the discussion is about or what Elvis' point was about. The discussion is about the thought process and decision making behind the play which you cannot see on replay.

I gave a very relatable example about playing basketball or football or soccer and defending a guy who gets past you...…… at that moment you have a choice to either foul or let the guy go. Like how in soccer you'll see defenders foul players sometimes when they are through on goal even if gives them a red card but saves a goal. Or in basketball when the guy blows past you and rather foul him and make him shoot free throws rather than an easy bucket. I didn't agree with you point in your earlier reply that "you've never seen what I described in that dynamic" when if you've played sports at any level you've experienced that yourself. Unless you were some stud defender who NEVER got beat, which you could have been. Lol.

Lol!

I still get beat on a daily basis.

I get what you are saying but in that situation if he would have backed off and allowed a touchdown we would have all been calling for his head.

If you look at the play from the entire line from beginning to end you see why he did what he did.

From a linear point of view I would see it your way. But it is never a linear game. Robey did not know where the ball was. He adjusted where no others did.

I give the guy total props for awareness.

I don't know if you seen this but maybe it might give some additional perspective:

https://nesn.com/2019/01/was-pass-tippe ... y-coleman/

[PARAM]

I know what Robey-Coleman said about whether or not the play was pass interference. I know NRC said he knew he was beat on the play and was trying to prevent a TD. But was he trying to commit PI?

I think the guy was so obviously open and unguarded that NRC ran as fast as he could and expected the ball to beat him there. If that's the case, it's really not a dumb play in it's genesis. He was hoping to dislodge the ball or drive the guy out of bounds.

And he never looked for the ball or towards Brees (which might suggest he thought the ball would beat him there). He saw the WR and went balls to the wall to get there before the guy could catch it and score. It was clearly a touch pass by Brees but if he saw NRC coming would he have gunned it a bit more?

I will say this...if the ball were just a split second faster it's a great pass breakup. JMHO

BTW, here's another one from this year. I wonder who the officials were?

[SWAdude]

I know what Robey-Coleman said about whether or not the play was pass interference. I know NRC said he knew he was beat on the play and was trying to prevent a TD. But was he trying to commit PI?

I think the guy was so obviously open and unguarded that NRC ran as fast as he could and expected the ball to beat him there. If that's the case, it's really not a dumb play in it's genesis. He was hoping to dislodge the ball or drive the guy out of bounds.

And he never looked for the ball or towards Brees (which might suggest he thought the ball would beat him there). He saw the WR and went balls to the wall to get there before the guy could catch it and score. It was clearly a touch pass by Brees but if he saw NRC coming would he have gunned it a bit more?

I will say this...if the ball were just a split second faster it's a great pass breakup. JMHO

BTW, here's another one from this year. I wonder who the officials were?

PARAM speaks for me.

[Horny Mcbae]

Lol!

I still get beat on a daily basis.

I get what you are saying but in that situation if he would have backed off and allowed a touchdown we would have all been calling for his head.

If that gets called PI like it should have been would we not be calling for his head? I think more so because that would be game ending which is what the initial point was about. It would be seen as egregious even if it was a blown coverage to begin with or even of it wasn't NRC's guy to start with.

If you look at the play from the entire line from beginning to end you see why he did what he did.

From a linear point of view I would see it your way. But it is never a linear game. Robey did not know where the ball was. He adjusted where no others did.

I give the guy total props for awareness.

That's spatial/game awareness. Not situational. His decision making isn't in question before he gets to the receiver. Props to him for getting to a wide open man when it wasn't his assignment. Its what he does after which is under the microscope. I know football players are taught that if the play breaks down just hit the open man. For a team which has situational awareness as a mantra I would think our guys would make the decision that keeps the bigger picture in mind. He said himself that he knew he got beat which signifies that he made a conscious decision to take the dude out. That is the decision which Elvis was alluding to at the beginning of this conversation.

Against the Pats, who push you to play perfect these small decisions will matter more.

I don't know if you seen this but maybe it might give some additional perspective:

https://nesn.com/2019/01/was-pass-tippe ... y-coleman/

You mean seen the highlights of the game? Yes I have. Or seen NRC's comments? Yes I have.
I don't claim to be a super fan but maybe like Aquaman or the Hawkeye of Rams fans. Lol. So I've seen the highlights a bunch of times.

[Horny Mcbae]

I know what Robey-Coleman said about whether or not the play was pass interference. I know NRC said he knew he was beat on the play and was trying to prevent a TD. But was he trying to commit PI?

I think the guy was so obviously open and unguarded that NRC ran as fast as he could and expected the ball to beat him there. If that's the case, it's really not a dumb play in it's genesis. He was hoping to dislodge the ball or drive the guy out of bounds.

And he never looked for the ball or towards Brees (which might suggest he thought the ball would beat him there). He saw the WR and went balls to the wall to get there before the guy could catch it and score. It was clearly a touch pass by Brees but if he saw NRC coming would he have gunned it a bit more?

I will say this...if the ball were just a split second faster it's a great pass breakup. JMHO

BTW, here's another one from this year. I wonder who the officials were?

The fact that he doesn't even try to look at the ball hints more towards him coming in with a mindset of..... "I am beat so I am just gonna bury this guy and prevent the TD...…….. we'll figure out the rest on the next play".

[PARAM]

The fact that he doesn't even try to look at the ball hints more towards him coming in with a mindset of..... "I am beat so I am just gonna bury this guy and prevent the TD...…….. we'll figure out the rest on the next play".

That's one way of looking at it and it may be the only way he was looking at it.

or

The fact he doesn't even try to look at the ball hints more towards him coming in with the mindset he believed he wouldn't have time to make a play on the ball because it was clearly going to beat him there, so he got up as much speed as possible to either dislodge the ball or knock the player out of bounds.

It's hard to say. I don't know. I just listed a different scenario that is every bit as acceptable as the other. The reason I believe my scenario might be the right one is if he thought he had plenty of time, he could have played the ball and picked it off. Aikman said as much right after the play. "If he only played the ball it was a pick that might have gone all the way".

But if you watch NRC and where he began the play, he was past the OC (actually just opposite the Saints LT) to the other side of the field and had a shit ton of space to make up. The receiver was in the backfield directly behind the RT so NRC had at least 5 yards to make up from the get go. It was a quick snap too because Brees probably saw NCR out of position.

[AltiTude Ram]

Interesting...it looks like there were 2 penalties on the play by the Saints and the ball was tipped.

[SWAdude]

That's one way of looking at it and it may be the only way he was looking at it.

or

The fact he doesn't even try to look at the ball hints more towards him coming in with the mindset he believed he wouldn't have time to make a play on the ball because it was clearly going to beat him there, so he got up as much speed as possible to either dislodge the ball or knock the player out of bounds.

It's hard to say. I don't know. I just listed a different scenario that is every bit as acceptable as the other. The reason I believe my scenario might be the right one is if he thought he had plenty of time, he could have played the ball and picked it off. Aikman said as much right after the play. "If he only played the ball it was a pick that might have gone all the way".

But if you watch NRC and where he began the play, he was past the OC (actually just opposite the Saints LT) to the other side of the field and had a shit ton of space to make up. The receiver was in the backfield directly behind the RT so NRC had at least 5 yards to make up from the get go. It was a quick snap too because Brees probably saw NCR out of position.

This is exactly what my eyes are seeing and my thoughts on multiple moving parts on this play.

And it was lightning fast because of NRC was a to full speed to make up too much space. Looking for the ball could have made the difference of making a great "legal" defensive play. If the receiver catches it it looks very unlikely he holds onto it or stays in bounds.

From the refs position they saw a tipped pass with "bang-bang". They don't have the luxury to see a replay to make the best call humanly possible from their positions on the field.

To say NRC made a mental error is just unfair with any certainty.

And as it turned out, he did make a championship play regardless of the non call.

It worked and we are in. Why he doesn't get any credit for this fundamental fact is beyond me.

[Elvis]

Ha! Looks like ball might have been tipped making all of this moot: