by ramsman34 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 10040 Joined: Apr 16 2015 Back in LA baby! Moderator 2023 Draft POST #191 Watch Nacuas speed and separation compared to the players on the field with/against him. That’s one thing I observe; how much faster/quicker/how different do our guys look compared the other players on the field. He looks like he is in a different class a lot of the time. I think that will translate well. I’m excited about Puka Nacua. And his name is awesome! Pacific Islanders are unique football players. And I believe that is his heritage. by CanuckRightWinger 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 2777 Joined: Jan 13 2016 VANCOUVER, BC Superstar 2023 Draft POST #192 To paraphrase the great wit Samuel Clemens. aka Mark Twain:When it comes to lies, "there are lies, damned lies, and then you've got yer fucking statistics!" Clemons actually attributed the famous original phrase to British PM Benjamin Disraeli. Question: how many ERs (or Safetymen) are on the gridiron for a team at any one time?Answer: 2Question: How many OL are on the field for any one team at a time?Answer: 5So right there sportsfans, when you rank 10 OL McSnead Draft Picks right up there with yer ER & S historical McSnead 2017-2023 Draft Picks, implying that McSnead have never ever ignored nor shortchanged Ram OL Coaches from 2017 to 2022 with regards to replenishing their OL ranks with top talented OL Draft Picks......well, I say politely that I believe that there is "an analytical anomaly" in comparing historical Ram draft priority of the "OL" 5 positions to ER 2 positions, and its an anomaly which needs to be properly filtered. And with regards to the sentiment that based on the above skewed statistics "proving" that "they're (McSnead) are trying" to provide high caliber drafted OL talent year-in and year-out every NFL Draft.....well, I call bullshit. TaleOfTheTape For McSnead OL Draftees:2017: Zero OL Draftees 2018: Joe PerpetuallyIR'd Noteboom, 89th Pick, OTBrian OneGoodYear! Allen, 111th Pick, OCJamil UMaineDud Demby, 192th Pick, OT2019: Bobby FlowGuts Evans, 97 Pick, OTDavid Evans ActuallyProductive! Edwards, 169 Pick, OG2020: Tremayne TwoPlays! Anchrum, PICK 250 , OG 2021: Zero OL Draftees 2022: Logan UnknownWorth Bruss, Pick 104, OGAJ OngoingProject Arcuri, PICK 261 , OTAnd yes, yes....by all means, in their 7th Draft together just now in 2023, McSnead actually seemed to prioritize OL with the early pick of arguably the best IOL in the 2023 Draft Steve TCUStud Avila at #36, and OT Warren Athens'AlphaDog McClendon at #174. Finally, an actual Ram OL pick early on Day Two!!! When you examine the actual Draft history of McSnead OT Picks, how can you say, with a straight-face, that McSnead "tried" IE. inferring they prioritized Ram OL picks, huh?? Before this 2023 Draft, look at the "prioritization" of OL picks....Demby (192), Anchrum (250), and Arcuri (261) could be argued are just glorified UDFAs picked that late. I mean, before Avila, the ONLY McSnead OL picks in the first 100 Picks were Noteboom at #89 in 2017, and Bobby Evans at #97 in 2019. Yeah.....real NFL value there. McSnead have NOT prioritized the drafting of high caliber OL until this year.....and I would submit, that it is because they HAD TO firm up the 2023 OL, as they will want to run the ball much better than previous years, so as to dominate in TOP and shield the exposure of our peach-fuzz faced 2023 youthful D.McSnead inherited the solid RT Rob Havenstein from the Fisher era, drafted Noteboom as the LT of the future .......and then treated drafting OTs as "just a hobby" with the drywell picks of Demby (192), Evans (97) and Arcuri (25 ).McSnead know that if they do not beef-up the 2023 Ram OL, so that Matthew Stafford can healthily play out the whole 2023 season, then we really are setting ourselves up for FlubbingForKaleb in 2023. They are beefing-up the OL to keep Matthew Stafford healthy and erect,AND to clear the way for the Rams' 2023 rejuvenated Run Game......and it's about fooking time!!! As always, JMO. by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #193 Last edited by PARAM on May 11 2023, edited 2 times in total. Hacksaw liked this post CanuckRightWinger wrote:To paraphrase the great wit Samuel Clemens. aka Mark Twain:When it comes to lies, "there are lies, damned lies, and then you've got yer fucking statistics!" Clemons actually attributed the famous original phrase to British PM Benjamin Disraeli. Question: how many ERs (or Safetymen) are on the gridiron for a team at any one time?Answer: 2Question: How many OL are on the field for any one team at a time?Answer: 5So right there sportsfans, when you rank 10 OL McSnead Draft Picks right up there with yer ER & S historical McSnead 2017-2023 Draft Picks, implying that McSnead have never ever ignored nor shortchanged Ram OL Coaches from 2017 to 2022 with regards to replenishing their OL ranks with top talented OL Draft Picks......well, I say politely that I believe that there is "an analytical anomaly" in comparing historical Ram draft priority of the "OL" 5 positions to ER 2 positions, and its an anomaly which needs to be properly filtered. And with regards to the sentiment that based on the above skewed statistics "proving" that "they're (McSnead) are trying" to provide high caliber drafted OL talent year-in and year-out every NFL Draft.....well, I call bullshit. TaleOfTheTape For McSnead OL Draftees:2017: Zero OL Draftees 2018: Joe PerpetuallyIR'd Noteboom, 89th Pick, OTBrian OneGoodYear! Allen, 111th Pick, OCJamil UMaineDud Demby, 192th Pick, OT2019: Bobby FlowGuts Evans, 97 Pick, OTDavid Evans ActuallyProductive! Edwards, 169 Pick, OG2020: Tremayne TwoPlays! Anchrum, PICK 250 , OG 2021: Zero OL Draftees 2022: Logan UnknownWorth Bruss, Pick 104, OGAJ OngoingProject Arcuri, PICK 261 , OTAnd yes, yes....by all means, in their 7th Draft together just now in 2023, McSnead actually seemed to prioritize OL with the early pick of arguably the best IOL in the 2023 Draft Steve TCUStud Avila at #36, and OT Warren Athens'AlphaDog McClendon at #174. Finally, an actual Ram OL pick early on Day Two!!! When you examine the actual Draft history of McSnead OT Picks, how can you say, with a straight-face, that McSnead "tried" IE. inferring they prioritized Ram OL picks, huh?? Before this 2023 Draft, look at the "prioritization" of OL picks....Demby (192), Anchrum (250), and Arcuri (261) could be argued are just glorified UDFAs picked that late. I mean, before Avila, the ONLY McSnead OL picks in the first 100 Picks were Noteboom at #89 in 2017, and Bobby Evans at #97 in 2019. Yeah.....real NFL value there. McSnead have NOT prioritized the drafting of high caliber OL until this year.....and I would submit, that it is because they HAD TO firm up the 2023 OL, as they will want to run the ball much better than previous years, so as to dominate in TOP and shield the exposure of our peach-fuzz faced 2023 youthful D.McSnead inherited the solid RT Rob Havenstein from the Fisher era, drafted Noteboom as the LT of the future .......and then treated drafting OTs as "just a hobby" with the drywell picks of Demby (192), Evans (97) and Arcuri (25 ).McSnead know that if they do not beef-up the 2023 Ram OL, so that Matthew Stafford can healthily play out the whole 2023 season, then we really are setting ourselves up for FlubbingForKaleb in 2023. They are beefing-up the OL to keep Matthew Stafford healthy and erect,AND to clear the way for the Rams' 2023 rejuvenated Run Game......and it's about fooking time!!! As always, JMO.Great points. There are many who believe Snead/McVay have ignored the OL. Or at the very least, haven't prioritized the OL in the draft. Another quote from that wise old man is "get your facts straight first, then you can distort them". Prioritizing the OL during the McVay Era:2017: > Signed UFA Andrew Whitworth to a 3 year deal, kept him around for 5 years and he's still counting against the salary cap in 2023.> Signed old John Sullivan and kept him around for 2 years....until he couldn't open any lanes for Gurley or Anderson in SB53. 2018:> Drafted T Joseph Noteboom with their first pick Despite being injured severely in his second season, first year starting, they felt so good about Noteboom's subsequent performances....starting the 2020 season in place of David Edwards and filling in for the injured Whitworth later in the season (for 7 1/2 games), as well as filling in for Whitworth again in 2021 both in the regular season and one important playoff game in Tampa, they decided to extent him. > Drafted C Brian Allen with their second pick. Allen was injured more severely than Noteboom 3 games after JN's injury in 2019 and missed practically all of the 2020 season. Then he was the starting C on the World Champion Rams. They decided to extend him also. But the bottom line is they drafted OL with the first two picks of 2018 and their injuries and subsequent careers...however they turn out.....isn't a indictment of "ignoring" or "not prioritizing the OL".>Jamil Demby T in the 6th, third lineman drafted by them in 2018. He played for Maine so expectations weren't probably much higher than how he performed. It was a shot that missed.2019:> Drafted T Bobby Evans with their 4th selection, 3rd of the 3rd round (day 2). His performance is not an indictment of their attempts to address the O line. In fact, he played pretty damn good at RT in 2019 but many forget that. > Drafted G David Edwards in the 5th round. He started 10 games his rookie year and many fans thought he played pretty well. In fact, there was a miniscule amount of angst when they didn't resign him this year. > Traded for Austin Corbett when the injury bug really hit hard. A failure in Cleveland. A bust. A bum. Played so well (good coaching?) that some fans expressed angst usually reserved for HOF lineman like Tom Mack, when they let him walk in 2022. 2020: > Drafted Tremayne Anchrum in the 7th round and he's still with the team. First next man up last year but was injured 2 snaps into his season. Again, not an indictment of "ignoring" or "not prioritizing". Waited till the 7th round? Sure. We had Whitworth, Edwards, Noteboom, Allen, Corbett, Blythe, Havenstein and Shelton under contract. What they needed was a RB and WR help, so they used their first two picks in that department. 2021: > **No OL drafted but being the saavy front office folks they usually are, they signed UDFA Alaric Jackson. And now some fans are looking at him to start at LT!!! You can't make this shit up!!!2022:> Drafted Logan Bruss with their first selection. Again, I'm not seeing this ignorance of the big uglies or lack of priority just because the kid was injured.> Drafted AJ Arcuri in the 7th. See Anchrum.....2023:> Drafted Steve Avila with their first pick....the third OL they drafted with their first selection in 7 drafts. Still not seeing ignorance and lack of priority. God, I hope this kid don't get injured early cause he will earn Bum Status rather quickly. > Drafted Warren McClendon with their 6th pick (#174), so "now they are prioritizing". People obviously forget in 2018 they took two OL in the first 111 picks and in 2019 two OL in the first 169 picks. But now they are prioritizing! Perception I guess. And the slot they are drafted in determines the level of priority? Jackie Slater was drafted 86th in 1976 when the NFL had 28 teams. Third round, 7 picks before the first pick of the 4th round. Ken Iman...UDFA. Doug Smith...UDFA. Rich Saul #208. Joe Scibelli, #130 overall...10th ROUND!!! 2nd rounders Tom Newberry (6 picks from the 3rd round) and Irv Pankey, (7 picks from the third round) both #50. Now those Rams execs prioritized OL. Perspective!!As far as 5 OL on the field vs 2 Edge rushers, that's true. 5 OL expected to play the entire game....every snap.....while the 2 Edge rushers usually get spelled by 2 more Edge rushers behind them on the depth chart. Those are the facts. People can distort them to the best of their ability (and some have vast ability in that area). But injured doesn't equal "bum" or "lack of effort" or "ignoring the position" or "not prioritzing the position". One other quote from the wise one.... “You can’t depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus.” (I'd add, or you're perception) Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by ramman2999 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 970 Joined: Nov 23 2022 LA Coliseum Veteran 2023 Draft POST #194 PARAM liked this post Here are facts. 1. We got depth back. Look at the Lakers. Man you need depth. I really think Sneed did a great job of getting youth. Let’s look at the youth movement. Gotta make Lemonade. I love Ramsay Corner Jacoby Durant Corner Devian Kendrick Safety Quentin Lake Edge Bryan Young D Tackle Turner Kolby Turner Guard Center Avila They got so much younger so many picks. Add that to Aaron Donald Cooper Kupp Von Jefferson Tutu Atwell and those are our receivers. Running back Cam Akers. Please draft him in fantasy. Then you have your Quarterback in Matthew Stafford. And your backup who’s on his timeline to play in three years when Stafford retires. By then he would’ve mastered the offense. And they like him. He’s a winner Stetson Bennett. He’s beat Bryce Young. So overall you have to applaud this draft. I think it was great. I think we had the best draft. When you look at everything we traded away. And now us winning our super bowl. Getting our picks back. We just reloaded in a big way. 1 by Elvis 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 41506 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator 2023 Draft POST #195 TOPIC AUTHOR How Soon Can NFL Teams Tell if Draft Pick Was Worth It?Joe BannerFormer NFL ExecutiveMay 11, 2023 4 min readIt’s rare to find all 32 teams agree on something. But ask them what happened at the annual NFL Draft two weeks ago, and the response is unanimous. Without fail, they’ll say what they always say this time of year.They aced their drafts.When Will Teams Know?Of course, nobody knows that until practices resume and games are played. But then what? How soon, people ask me, before NFL clubs can tell if a rookie or undrafted free agent can or will excel? It’s a good question, but one without a specific answer.Because it’s totally individual.There are players who, after two years, you think will be stars … and aren’t. And there are others where, after two years, you say, “Wow, we really missed here”… and then they emerge. Everyone likes to say they had a great draft, but the truth is: They really don’t know.What to Watch ForBut they will if they yield to two factors:Time. That’s pretty obvious. Look at what happened in San Diego. The Chargers drafted Drew Brees in 2001 to be their starting quarterback and gave up on him by 2004. So they acquired Philip Rivers in a draft-day deal and designated him as Brees’ successor. One problem: In his fourth year with the Bolts, Drew Brees became Drew Brees. That left Rivers on the bench until Brees left for New Orleans as an unrestricted free agent in 2006.Understand that not many of the 259 drafted players will start as rookies. They may serve as a backup or rotate in a lineup, but they probably won’t play all that much — especially with a team like the Philadelphia Eagles, who are already solid. Case in point: First-rounder Jalen Carter (scouting report). If he looks good in practices and training camp, he’ll probably be in the defensive-line rotation. But he won’t start this year. That’s not a knock on him. It’s true for every pick the Eagles made. By the end of Year 1, you’ve seen what your rookies have done on the field and in practice, and you know who’s making progress and who’s working hard. But, until you see them in Year 2, you can’t be 100 percent sure what you have. Then, you start to know who’s good and who can be great. Judging bad from good, however, can be done more quickly … usually in Year 1. It really doesn’t take long to identify a bust.Let me give you an example. We once had a situation where the head coach called me into his office after one practice at mini-camp … one practice … with no pads … no contact … and maybe one hour of class session with a position coach and no teaching of techniques.Anyway, I go see the coach, and he tells me that a player we just drafted in the first round four days earlier is a huge miss and that he’s never going to contribute anything to our team and won’t have a long NFL career. I was stunned. “What are you talking about?” I asked. “How can you possibly tell this after one practice with no pads, no contact and no coaching?It’s not like I dismissed what he said because he had enormous credibility. But if that had come from anyone else, I would have thought: Give me a break. It’s one practice. But because of where it came from, I was really, really concerned. Nevertheless, I told him I wasn’t going to abandon hope.And you know something? He was right.Sometimes you draft a player whom some people within the organization like and some don’t. But this was a consensus choice. From the head coach to the GM to the assistant GM, myself and the owner … all of us agreed this was the right pick. The five most important persons within the organization said it was right pick. Yet after one practice without pads the head coach insisted it wasn’t. Worse, he said there was zero chance this player was going to contribute and declared him a complete bust.He ended up being right. The player lasted about two years. Then he was gone. He couldn’t even be a backup. Why Do Choices Go Wrong?So how does something like that happen? When I first sat with the head coach, he described the player as having some kind of mental block with things we needed to do. I didn’t know what that meant, so I was skeptical. I was also determined that, while the coach was giving up, I would not. After all, it was only one practice.But I was wrong, and I wish I could tell you I was the exception. But I wasn’t. I was on board with everyone else.To learn from our mistake, we went back and looked at tape of the player … and I’ll be honest: Watching it, you can’t see what caused him to fail. But the failure was with the scouts who go to the schools. They can miss on talent evaluations because we have enough people checking them. But they can’t miss on intangibles like work ethic, intelligence, drive, and the desire to be great … things you can get from talking to coaches, teammates and trainers. When the scouts come back, they must get those things right. Otherwise, you’re liable to make a big mistake.And that’s what happened.They didn’t have the information we needed. The tape looked good, and everyone said this is the right pick. But it wasn’t. And it wasn’t because we were missing the foundation of success, which was the intangibles.That’s why there’s no timetable for determining a draft win or loss. Granted, that’s not always true for running backs. I’ve always said that’s the easiest position to assess. It doesn’t take long to see how quick backs are, what their vision is and how aggressive they can be. In fact, you have a pretty good idea by the end of training camp.But with defensive linemen and wide receivers, you must be patient. They take the longest. I’ve seen defensive linemen who look ordinary their first two years, then suddenly emerge with double-digit sacks in Year Three. With wide receivers, it’s all about learning how to run routes. That doesn’t come easily and can take two or three years, too.I guess that’s a long way of saying: Don’t pay attention to what NFL teams tell you today about their draft picks. Because they really don’t know. And neither do we.Joe Banner is a former front office executive for the Philadelphia Eagles and Cleveland Browns. He was a part of an Eagles franchise that made a Super Bowl and played in four NFC Championship Games. Follow him on Twitter at @JoeBanner13 RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #196 Joe Banner wrote:Worse, he said there was zero chance this player was going to contribute and declared him a complete bust.He ended up being right. The player lasted about two years. Then he was gone. He couldn’t even be a backup. That’s why there’s no timetable for determining a draft win or loss. Granted, that’s not always true for running backs. I’ve always said that’s the easiest position to assess. It doesn’t take long to see how quick backs are, what their vision is and how aggressive they can be. In fact, you have a pretty good idea by the end of training camp.But with defensive linemen and wide receivers, you must be patient. They take the longest. I’ve seen defensive linemen who look ordinary their first two years, then suddenly emerge with double-digit sacks in Year Three. With wide receivers, it’s all about learning how to run routes. That doesn’t come easily and can take two or three years, too.I guess that’s a long way of saying: Don’t pay attention to what NFL teams tell you today about their draft picks. Because they really don’t know. And neither do we.Joe Banner is a former front office executive for the Philadelphia Eagles and Cleveland Browns. He was a part of an Eagles franchise that made a Super Bowl and played in four NFC Championship Games. Follow him on Twitter at @JoeBanner13Jamal GreenSo we shouldn't give up on Tutu? I was thinking, Bobby Brown. Ernest Brown. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #197 PARAM wrote:Football IQ aside, clearly they (and most NFL teams) take players primarily from the Power 5 conferences. Smarts is important but you also gotta be able to play. The Rams have drafted from those conferences 70% of the time. I found it interesting of those 5 conferences, the PAC12 has the least Rams reps by far (4). It's not the Ivy League but gotta have some smart kids at Stanford . The last 2 years (prior to 2023), over the entire league, the top 2 conferences drafted were the SEC (65 & 65) and B10 (44 & 48) to the tune of 43% and 42% combined. Those are the two highest picked on conferences by the Rams also (B10-12, SEC-11), 34%. I simply wanted to take a look at their drafts to see what colleges/conferences they drafted and what positions they drafted more than others. For instance, Bennett is the first QB drafted in the McVay era. The most drafted positions are Edge (12), OL (10), S (8), WR (6), RB (6), DT (6), CB (5), ILB (4), TE (4), DE (2), QB, FB, PK, P (1 each). One third of all their draft picks have been Edge or OL. They're trying!!!This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by ramman2999 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 970 Joined: Nov 23 2022 LA Coliseum Veteran 2023 Draft POST #198 Wait so you’re telling me we might be one of the teams that drafted a player and we might be one of the teams that was offered a vacation property and we drafted a player for vacation property. That is hilarious. So lol we picked mr. Irrelevant so we could get some vacation property. I have to see this place. Only in the NFL. by Elvis 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 41506 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator 2023 Draft POST #199 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees.I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen... RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #200 Elvis wrote:I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen...Absolutely. Like TGSOT. They drafted Pace and Tucker, signed Timmermann as a UFA and found UDFA's like Gruttadauria, Nutten, McCollum. They also drafted duds like Glenn Roundtree and Cameron Spikes. Under Martz they signed Kyle Turley and drafted Barron. This regime prioritizes the OL. It's just some fans don't see it that way. They must expect 1st and 2nd round picks. That's just not gonna happen often with other needs. For one, this regime hasn't had a first round pick. But they have used their first pick on OL, 3 of 7 times. I don't know what else fans want.......I know who they wanted though. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. 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by CanuckRightWinger 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 2777 Joined: Jan 13 2016 VANCOUVER, BC Superstar 2023 Draft POST #192 To paraphrase the great wit Samuel Clemens. aka Mark Twain:When it comes to lies, "there are lies, damned lies, and then you've got yer fucking statistics!" Clemons actually attributed the famous original phrase to British PM Benjamin Disraeli. Question: how many ERs (or Safetymen) are on the gridiron for a team at any one time?Answer: 2Question: How many OL are on the field for any one team at a time?Answer: 5So right there sportsfans, when you rank 10 OL McSnead Draft Picks right up there with yer ER & S historical McSnead 2017-2023 Draft Picks, implying that McSnead have never ever ignored nor shortchanged Ram OL Coaches from 2017 to 2022 with regards to replenishing their OL ranks with top talented OL Draft Picks......well, I say politely that I believe that there is "an analytical anomaly" in comparing historical Ram draft priority of the "OL" 5 positions to ER 2 positions, and its an anomaly which needs to be properly filtered. And with regards to the sentiment that based on the above skewed statistics "proving" that "they're (McSnead) are trying" to provide high caliber drafted OL talent year-in and year-out every NFL Draft.....well, I call bullshit. TaleOfTheTape For McSnead OL Draftees:2017: Zero OL Draftees 2018: Joe PerpetuallyIR'd Noteboom, 89th Pick, OTBrian OneGoodYear! Allen, 111th Pick, OCJamil UMaineDud Demby, 192th Pick, OT2019: Bobby FlowGuts Evans, 97 Pick, OTDavid Evans ActuallyProductive! Edwards, 169 Pick, OG2020: Tremayne TwoPlays! Anchrum, PICK 250 , OG 2021: Zero OL Draftees 2022: Logan UnknownWorth Bruss, Pick 104, OGAJ OngoingProject Arcuri, PICK 261 , OTAnd yes, yes....by all means, in their 7th Draft together just now in 2023, McSnead actually seemed to prioritize OL with the early pick of arguably the best IOL in the 2023 Draft Steve TCUStud Avila at #36, and OT Warren Athens'AlphaDog McClendon at #174. Finally, an actual Ram OL pick early on Day Two!!! When you examine the actual Draft history of McSnead OT Picks, how can you say, with a straight-face, that McSnead "tried" IE. inferring they prioritized Ram OL picks, huh?? Before this 2023 Draft, look at the "prioritization" of OL picks....Demby (192), Anchrum (250), and Arcuri (261) could be argued are just glorified UDFAs picked that late. I mean, before Avila, the ONLY McSnead OL picks in the first 100 Picks were Noteboom at #89 in 2017, and Bobby Evans at #97 in 2019. Yeah.....real NFL value there. McSnead have NOT prioritized the drafting of high caliber OL until this year.....and I would submit, that it is because they HAD TO firm up the 2023 OL, as they will want to run the ball much better than previous years, so as to dominate in TOP and shield the exposure of our peach-fuzz faced 2023 youthful D.McSnead inherited the solid RT Rob Havenstein from the Fisher era, drafted Noteboom as the LT of the future .......and then treated drafting OTs as "just a hobby" with the drywell picks of Demby (192), Evans (97) and Arcuri (25 ).McSnead know that if they do not beef-up the 2023 Ram OL, so that Matthew Stafford can healthily play out the whole 2023 season, then we really are setting ourselves up for FlubbingForKaleb in 2023. They are beefing-up the OL to keep Matthew Stafford healthy and erect,AND to clear the way for the Rams' 2023 rejuvenated Run Game......and it's about fooking time!!! As always, JMO. by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #193 Last edited by PARAM on May 11 2023, edited 2 times in total. Hacksaw liked this post CanuckRightWinger wrote:To paraphrase the great wit Samuel Clemens. aka Mark Twain:When it comes to lies, "there are lies, damned lies, and then you've got yer fucking statistics!" Clemons actually attributed the famous original phrase to British PM Benjamin Disraeli. Question: how many ERs (or Safetymen) are on the gridiron for a team at any one time?Answer: 2Question: How many OL are on the field for any one team at a time?Answer: 5So right there sportsfans, when you rank 10 OL McSnead Draft Picks right up there with yer ER & S historical McSnead 2017-2023 Draft Picks, implying that McSnead have never ever ignored nor shortchanged Ram OL Coaches from 2017 to 2022 with regards to replenishing their OL ranks with top talented OL Draft Picks......well, I say politely that I believe that there is "an analytical anomaly" in comparing historical Ram draft priority of the "OL" 5 positions to ER 2 positions, and its an anomaly which needs to be properly filtered. And with regards to the sentiment that based on the above skewed statistics "proving" that "they're (McSnead) are trying" to provide high caliber drafted OL talent year-in and year-out every NFL Draft.....well, I call bullshit. TaleOfTheTape For McSnead OL Draftees:2017: Zero OL Draftees 2018: Joe PerpetuallyIR'd Noteboom, 89th Pick, OTBrian OneGoodYear! Allen, 111th Pick, OCJamil UMaineDud Demby, 192th Pick, OT2019: Bobby FlowGuts Evans, 97 Pick, OTDavid Evans ActuallyProductive! Edwards, 169 Pick, OG2020: Tremayne TwoPlays! Anchrum, PICK 250 , OG 2021: Zero OL Draftees 2022: Logan UnknownWorth Bruss, Pick 104, OGAJ OngoingProject Arcuri, PICK 261 , OTAnd yes, yes....by all means, in their 7th Draft together just now in 2023, McSnead actually seemed to prioritize OL with the early pick of arguably the best IOL in the 2023 Draft Steve TCUStud Avila at #36, and OT Warren Athens'AlphaDog McClendon at #174. Finally, an actual Ram OL pick early on Day Two!!! When you examine the actual Draft history of McSnead OT Picks, how can you say, with a straight-face, that McSnead "tried" IE. inferring they prioritized Ram OL picks, huh?? Before this 2023 Draft, look at the "prioritization" of OL picks....Demby (192), Anchrum (250), and Arcuri (261) could be argued are just glorified UDFAs picked that late. I mean, before Avila, the ONLY McSnead OL picks in the first 100 Picks were Noteboom at #89 in 2017, and Bobby Evans at #97 in 2019. Yeah.....real NFL value there. McSnead have NOT prioritized the drafting of high caliber OL until this year.....and I would submit, that it is because they HAD TO firm up the 2023 OL, as they will want to run the ball much better than previous years, so as to dominate in TOP and shield the exposure of our peach-fuzz faced 2023 youthful D.McSnead inherited the solid RT Rob Havenstein from the Fisher era, drafted Noteboom as the LT of the future .......and then treated drafting OTs as "just a hobby" with the drywell picks of Demby (192), Evans (97) and Arcuri (25 ).McSnead know that if they do not beef-up the 2023 Ram OL, so that Matthew Stafford can healthily play out the whole 2023 season, then we really are setting ourselves up for FlubbingForKaleb in 2023. They are beefing-up the OL to keep Matthew Stafford healthy and erect,AND to clear the way for the Rams' 2023 rejuvenated Run Game......and it's about fooking time!!! As always, JMO.Great points. There are many who believe Snead/McVay have ignored the OL. Or at the very least, haven't prioritized the OL in the draft. Another quote from that wise old man is "get your facts straight first, then you can distort them". Prioritizing the OL during the McVay Era:2017: > Signed UFA Andrew Whitworth to a 3 year deal, kept him around for 5 years and he's still counting against the salary cap in 2023.> Signed old John Sullivan and kept him around for 2 years....until he couldn't open any lanes for Gurley or Anderson in SB53. 2018:> Drafted T Joseph Noteboom with their first pick Despite being injured severely in his second season, first year starting, they felt so good about Noteboom's subsequent performances....starting the 2020 season in place of David Edwards and filling in for the injured Whitworth later in the season (for 7 1/2 games), as well as filling in for Whitworth again in 2021 both in the regular season and one important playoff game in Tampa, they decided to extent him. > Drafted C Brian Allen with their second pick. Allen was injured more severely than Noteboom 3 games after JN's injury in 2019 and missed practically all of the 2020 season. Then he was the starting C on the World Champion Rams. They decided to extend him also. But the bottom line is they drafted OL with the first two picks of 2018 and their injuries and subsequent careers...however they turn out.....isn't a indictment of "ignoring" or "not prioritizing the OL".>Jamil Demby T in the 6th, third lineman drafted by them in 2018. He played for Maine so expectations weren't probably much higher than how he performed. It was a shot that missed.2019:> Drafted T Bobby Evans with their 4th selection, 3rd of the 3rd round (day 2). His performance is not an indictment of their attempts to address the O line. In fact, he played pretty damn good at RT in 2019 but many forget that. > Drafted G David Edwards in the 5th round. He started 10 games his rookie year and many fans thought he played pretty well. In fact, there was a miniscule amount of angst when they didn't resign him this year. > Traded for Austin Corbett when the injury bug really hit hard. A failure in Cleveland. A bust. A bum. Played so well (good coaching?) that some fans expressed angst usually reserved for HOF lineman like Tom Mack, when they let him walk in 2022. 2020: > Drafted Tremayne Anchrum in the 7th round and he's still with the team. First next man up last year but was injured 2 snaps into his season. Again, not an indictment of "ignoring" or "not prioritizing". Waited till the 7th round? Sure. We had Whitworth, Edwards, Noteboom, Allen, Corbett, Blythe, Havenstein and Shelton under contract. What they needed was a RB and WR help, so they used their first two picks in that department. 2021: > **No OL drafted but being the saavy front office folks they usually are, they signed UDFA Alaric Jackson. And now some fans are looking at him to start at LT!!! You can't make this shit up!!!2022:> Drafted Logan Bruss with their first selection. Again, I'm not seeing this ignorance of the big uglies or lack of priority just because the kid was injured.> Drafted AJ Arcuri in the 7th. See Anchrum.....2023:> Drafted Steve Avila with their first pick....the third OL they drafted with their first selection in 7 drafts. Still not seeing ignorance and lack of priority. God, I hope this kid don't get injured early cause he will earn Bum Status rather quickly. > Drafted Warren McClendon with their 6th pick (#174), so "now they are prioritizing". People obviously forget in 2018 they took two OL in the first 111 picks and in 2019 two OL in the first 169 picks. But now they are prioritizing! Perception I guess. And the slot they are drafted in determines the level of priority? Jackie Slater was drafted 86th in 1976 when the NFL had 28 teams. Third round, 7 picks before the first pick of the 4th round. Ken Iman...UDFA. Doug Smith...UDFA. Rich Saul #208. Joe Scibelli, #130 overall...10th ROUND!!! 2nd rounders Tom Newberry (6 picks from the 3rd round) and Irv Pankey, (7 picks from the third round) both #50. Now those Rams execs prioritized OL. Perspective!!As far as 5 OL on the field vs 2 Edge rushers, that's true. 5 OL expected to play the entire game....every snap.....while the 2 Edge rushers usually get spelled by 2 more Edge rushers behind them on the depth chart. Those are the facts. People can distort them to the best of their ability (and some have vast ability in that area). But injured doesn't equal "bum" or "lack of effort" or "ignoring the position" or "not prioritzing the position". One other quote from the wise one.... “You can’t depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus.” (I'd add, or you're perception) Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by ramman2999 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 970 Joined: Nov 23 2022 LA Coliseum Veteran 2023 Draft POST #194 PARAM liked this post Here are facts. 1. We got depth back. Look at the Lakers. Man you need depth. I really think Sneed did a great job of getting youth. Let’s look at the youth movement. Gotta make Lemonade. I love Ramsay Corner Jacoby Durant Corner Devian Kendrick Safety Quentin Lake Edge Bryan Young D Tackle Turner Kolby Turner Guard Center Avila They got so much younger so many picks. Add that to Aaron Donald Cooper Kupp Von Jefferson Tutu Atwell and those are our receivers. Running back Cam Akers. Please draft him in fantasy. Then you have your Quarterback in Matthew Stafford. And your backup who’s on his timeline to play in three years when Stafford retires. By then he would’ve mastered the offense. And they like him. He’s a winner Stetson Bennett. He’s beat Bryce Young. So overall you have to applaud this draft. I think it was great. I think we had the best draft. When you look at everything we traded away. And now us winning our super bowl. Getting our picks back. We just reloaded in a big way. 1 by Elvis 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 41506 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator 2023 Draft POST #195 TOPIC AUTHOR How Soon Can NFL Teams Tell if Draft Pick Was Worth It?Joe BannerFormer NFL ExecutiveMay 11, 2023 4 min readIt’s rare to find all 32 teams agree on something. But ask them what happened at the annual NFL Draft two weeks ago, and the response is unanimous. Without fail, they’ll say what they always say this time of year.They aced their drafts.When Will Teams Know?Of course, nobody knows that until practices resume and games are played. But then what? How soon, people ask me, before NFL clubs can tell if a rookie or undrafted free agent can or will excel? It’s a good question, but one without a specific answer.Because it’s totally individual.There are players who, after two years, you think will be stars … and aren’t. And there are others where, after two years, you say, “Wow, we really missed here”… and then they emerge. Everyone likes to say they had a great draft, but the truth is: They really don’t know.What to Watch ForBut they will if they yield to two factors:Time. That’s pretty obvious. Look at what happened in San Diego. The Chargers drafted Drew Brees in 2001 to be their starting quarterback and gave up on him by 2004. So they acquired Philip Rivers in a draft-day deal and designated him as Brees’ successor. One problem: In his fourth year with the Bolts, Drew Brees became Drew Brees. That left Rivers on the bench until Brees left for New Orleans as an unrestricted free agent in 2006.Understand that not many of the 259 drafted players will start as rookies. They may serve as a backup or rotate in a lineup, but they probably won’t play all that much — especially with a team like the Philadelphia Eagles, who are already solid. Case in point: First-rounder Jalen Carter (scouting report). If he looks good in practices and training camp, he’ll probably be in the defensive-line rotation. But he won’t start this year. That’s not a knock on him. It’s true for every pick the Eagles made. By the end of Year 1, you’ve seen what your rookies have done on the field and in practice, and you know who’s making progress and who’s working hard. But, until you see them in Year 2, you can’t be 100 percent sure what you have. Then, you start to know who’s good and who can be great. Judging bad from good, however, can be done more quickly … usually in Year 1. It really doesn’t take long to identify a bust.Let me give you an example. We once had a situation where the head coach called me into his office after one practice at mini-camp … one practice … with no pads … no contact … and maybe one hour of class session with a position coach and no teaching of techniques.Anyway, I go see the coach, and he tells me that a player we just drafted in the first round four days earlier is a huge miss and that he’s never going to contribute anything to our team and won’t have a long NFL career. I was stunned. “What are you talking about?” I asked. “How can you possibly tell this after one practice with no pads, no contact and no coaching?It’s not like I dismissed what he said because he had enormous credibility. But if that had come from anyone else, I would have thought: Give me a break. It’s one practice. But because of where it came from, I was really, really concerned. Nevertheless, I told him I wasn’t going to abandon hope.And you know something? He was right.Sometimes you draft a player whom some people within the organization like and some don’t. But this was a consensus choice. From the head coach to the GM to the assistant GM, myself and the owner … all of us agreed this was the right pick. The five most important persons within the organization said it was right pick. Yet after one practice without pads the head coach insisted it wasn’t. Worse, he said there was zero chance this player was going to contribute and declared him a complete bust.He ended up being right. The player lasted about two years. Then he was gone. He couldn’t even be a backup. Why Do Choices Go Wrong?So how does something like that happen? When I first sat with the head coach, he described the player as having some kind of mental block with things we needed to do. I didn’t know what that meant, so I was skeptical. I was also determined that, while the coach was giving up, I would not. After all, it was only one practice.But I was wrong, and I wish I could tell you I was the exception. But I wasn’t. I was on board with everyone else.To learn from our mistake, we went back and looked at tape of the player … and I’ll be honest: Watching it, you can’t see what caused him to fail. But the failure was with the scouts who go to the schools. They can miss on talent evaluations because we have enough people checking them. But they can’t miss on intangibles like work ethic, intelligence, drive, and the desire to be great … things you can get from talking to coaches, teammates and trainers. When the scouts come back, they must get those things right. Otherwise, you’re liable to make a big mistake.And that’s what happened.They didn’t have the information we needed. The tape looked good, and everyone said this is the right pick. But it wasn’t. And it wasn’t because we were missing the foundation of success, which was the intangibles.That’s why there’s no timetable for determining a draft win or loss. Granted, that’s not always true for running backs. I’ve always said that’s the easiest position to assess. It doesn’t take long to see how quick backs are, what their vision is and how aggressive they can be. In fact, you have a pretty good idea by the end of training camp.But with defensive linemen and wide receivers, you must be patient. They take the longest. I’ve seen defensive linemen who look ordinary their first two years, then suddenly emerge with double-digit sacks in Year Three. With wide receivers, it’s all about learning how to run routes. That doesn’t come easily and can take two or three years, too.I guess that’s a long way of saying: Don’t pay attention to what NFL teams tell you today about their draft picks. Because they really don’t know. And neither do we.Joe Banner is a former front office executive for the Philadelphia Eagles and Cleveland Browns. He was a part of an Eagles franchise that made a Super Bowl and played in four NFC Championship Games. Follow him on Twitter at @JoeBanner13 RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #196 Joe Banner wrote:Worse, he said there was zero chance this player was going to contribute and declared him a complete bust.He ended up being right. The player lasted about two years. Then he was gone. He couldn’t even be a backup. That’s why there’s no timetable for determining a draft win or loss. Granted, that’s not always true for running backs. I’ve always said that’s the easiest position to assess. It doesn’t take long to see how quick backs are, what their vision is and how aggressive they can be. In fact, you have a pretty good idea by the end of training camp.But with defensive linemen and wide receivers, you must be patient. They take the longest. I’ve seen defensive linemen who look ordinary their first two years, then suddenly emerge with double-digit sacks in Year Three. With wide receivers, it’s all about learning how to run routes. That doesn’t come easily and can take two or three years, too.I guess that’s a long way of saying: Don’t pay attention to what NFL teams tell you today about their draft picks. Because they really don’t know. And neither do we.Joe Banner is a former front office executive for the Philadelphia Eagles and Cleveland Browns. He was a part of an Eagles franchise that made a Super Bowl and played in four NFC Championship Games. Follow him on Twitter at @JoeBanner13Jamal GreenSo we shouldn't give up on Tutu? I was thinking, Bobby Brown. Ernest Brown. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #197 PARAM wrote:Football IQ aside, clearly they (and most NFL teams) take players primarily from the Power 5 conferences. Smarts is important but you also gotta be able to play. The Rams have drafted from those conferences 70% of the time. I found it interesting of those 5 conferences, the PAC12 has the least Rams reps by far (4). It's not the Ivy League but gotta have some smart kids at Stanford . The last 2 years (prior to 2023), over the entire league, the top 2 conferences drafted were the SEC (65 & 65) and B10 (44 & 48) to the tune of 43% and 42% combined. Those are the two highest picked on conferences by the Rams also (B10-12, SEC-11), 34%. I simply wanted to take a look at their drafts to see what colleges/conferences they drafted and what positions they drafted more than others. For instance, Bennett is the first QB drafted in the McVay era. The most drafted positions are Edge (12), OL (10), S (8), WR (6), RB (6), DT (6), CB (5), ILB (4), TE (4), DE (2), QB, FB, PK, P (1 each). One third of all their draft picks have been Edge or OL. They're trying!!!This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by ramman2999 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 970 Joined: Nov 23 2022 LA Coliseum Veteran 2023 Draft POST #198 Wait so you’re telling me we might be one of the teams that drafted a player and we might be one of the teams that was offered a vacation property and we drafted a player for vacation property. That is hilarious. So lol we picked mr. Irrelevant so we could get some vacation property. I have to see this place. Only in the NFL. by Elvis 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 41506 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator 2023 Draft POST #199 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees.I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen... RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #200 Elvis wrote:I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen...Absolutely. Like TGSOT. They drafted Pace and Tucker, signed Timmermann as a UFA and found UDFA's like Gruttadauria, Nutten, McCollum. They also drafted duds like Glenn Roundtree and Cameron Spikes. Under Martz they signed Kyle Turley and drafted Barron. This regime prioritizes the OL. It's just some fans don't see it that way. They must expect 1st and 2nd round picks. That's just not gonna happen often with other needs. For one, this regime hasn't had a first round pick. But they have used their first pick on OL, 3 of 7 times. I don't know what else fans want.......I know who they wanted though. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. 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by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #193 Last edited by PARAM on May 11 2023, edited 2 times in total. Hacksaw liked this post CanuckRightWinger wrote:To paraphrase the great wit Samuel Clemens. aka Mark Twain:When it comes to lies, "there are lies, damned lies, and then you've got yer fucking statistics!" Clemons actually attributed the famous original phrase to British PM Benjamin Disraeli. Question: how many ERs (or Safetymen) are on the gridiron for a team at any one time?Answer: 2Question: How many OL are on the field for any one team at a time?Answer: 5So right there sportsfans, when you rank 10 OL McSnead Draft Picks right up there with yer ER & S historical McSnead 2017-2023 Draft Picks, implying that McSnead have never ever ignored nor shortchanged Ram OL Coaches from 2017 to 2022 with regards to replenishing their OL ranks with top talented OL Draft Picks......well, I say politely that I believe that there is "an analytical anomaly" in comparing historical Ram draft priority of the "OL" 5 positions to ER 2 positions, and its an anomaly which needs to be properly filtered. And with regards to the sentiment that based on the above skewed statistics "proving" that "they're (McSnead) are trying" to provide high caliber drafted OL talent year-in and year-out every NFL Draft.....well, I call bullshit. TaleOfTheTape For McSnead OL Draftees:2017: Zero OL Draftees 2018: Joe PerpetuallyIR'd Noteboom, 89th Pick, OTBrian OneGoodYear! Allen, 111th Pick, OCJamil UMaineDud Demby, 192th Pick, OT2019: Bobby FlowGuts Evans, 97 Pick, OTDavid Evans ActuallyProductive! Edwards, 169 Pick, OG2020: Tremayne TwoPlays! Anchrum, PICK 250 , OG 2021: Zero OL Draftees 2022: Logan UnknownWorth Bruss, Pick 104, OGAJ OngoingProject Arcuri, PICK 261 , OTAnd yes, yes....by all means, in their 7th Draft together just now in 2023, McSnead actually seemed to prioritize OL with the early pick of arguably the best IOL in the 2023 Draft Steve TCUStud Avila at #36, and OT Warren Athens'AlphaDog McClendon at #174. Finally, an actual Ram OL pick early on Day Two!!! When you examine the actual Draft history of McSnead OT Picks, how can you say, with a straight-face, that McSnead "tried" IE. inferring they prioritized Ram OL picks, huh?? Before this 2023 Draft, look at the "prioritization" of OL picks....Demby (192), Anchrum (250), and Arcuri (261) could be argued are just glorified UDFAs picked that late. I mean, before Avila, the ONLY McSnead OL picks in the first 100 Picks were Noteboom at #89 in 2017, and Bobby Evans at #97 in 2019. Yeah.....real NFL value there. McSnead have NOT prioritized the drafting of high caliber OL until this year.....and I would submit, that it is because they HAD TO firm up the 2023 OL, as they will want to run the ball much better than previous years, so as to dominate in TOP and shield the exposure of our peach-fuzz faced 2023 youthful D.McSnead inherited the solid RT Rob Havenstein from the Fisher era, drafted Noteboom as the LT of the future .......and then treated drafting OTs as "just a hobby" with the drywell picks of Demby (192), Evans (97) and Arcuri (25 ).McSnead know that if they do not beef-up the 2023 Ram OL, so that Matthew Stafford can healthily play out the whole 2023 season, then we really are setting ourselves up for FlubbingForKaleb in 2023. They are beefing-up the OL to keep Matthew Stafford healthy and erect,AND to clear the way for the Rams' 2023 rejuvenated Run Game......and it's about fooking time!!! As always, JMO.Great points. There are many who believe Snead/McVay have ignored the OL. Or at the very least, haven't prioritized the OL in the draft. Another quote from that wise old man is "get your facts straight first, then you can distort them". Prioritizing the OL during the McVay Era:2017: > Signed UFA Andrew Whitworth to a 3 year deal, kept him around for 5 years and he's still counting against the salary cap in 2023.> Signed old John Sullivan and kept him around for 2 years....until he couldn't open any lanes for Gurley or Anderson in SB53. 2018:> Drafted T Joseph Noteboom with their first pick Despite being injured severely in his second season, first year starting, they felt so good about Noteboom's subsequent performances....starting the 2020 season in place of David Edwards and filling in for the injured Whitworth later in the season (for 7 1/2 games), as well as filling in for Whitworth again in 2021 both in the regular season and one important playoff game in Tampa, they decided to extent him. > Drafted C Brian Allen with their second pick. Allen was injured more severely than Noteboom 3 games after JN's injury in 2019 and missed practically all of the 2020 season. Then he was the starting C on the World Champion Rams. They decided to extend him also. But the bottom line is they drafted OL with the first two picks of 2018 and their injuries and subsequent careers...however they turn out.....isn't a indictment of "ignoring" or "not prioritizing the OL".>Jamil Demby T in the 6th, third lineman drafted by them in 2018. He played for Maine so expectations weren't probably much higher than how he performed. It was a shot that missed.2019:> Drafted T Bobby Evans with their 4th selection, 3rd of the 3rd round (day 2). His performance is not an indictment of their attempts to address the O line. In fact, he played pretty damn good at RT in 2019 but many forget that. > Drafted G David Edwards in the 5th round. He started 10 games his rookie year and many fans thought he played pretty well. In fact, there was a miniscule amount of angst when they didn't resign him this year. > Traded for Austin Corbett when the injury bug really hit hard. A failure in Cleveland. A bust. A bum. Played so well (good coaching?) that some fans expressed angst usually reserved for HOF lineman like Tom Mack, when they let him walk in 2022. 2020: > Drafted Tremayne Anchrum in the 7th round and he's still with the team. First next man up last year but was injured 2 snaps into his season. Again, not an indictment of "ignoring" or "not prioritizing". Waited till the 7th round? Sure. We had Whitworth, Edwards, Noteboom, Allen, Corbett, Blythe, Havenstein and Shelton under contract. What they needed was a RB and WR help, so they used their first two picks in that department. 2021: > **No OL drafted but being the saavy front office folks they usually are, they signed UDFA Alaric Jackson. And now some fans are looking at him to start at LT!!! You can't make this shit up!!!2022:> Drafted Logan Bruss with their first selection. Again, I'm not seeing this ignorance of the big uglies or lack of priority just because the kid was injured.> Drafted AJ Arcuri in the 7th. See Anchrum.....2023:> Drafted Steve Avila with their first pick....the third OL they drafted with their first selection in 7 drafts. Still not seeing ignorance and lack of priority. God, I hope this kid don't get injured early cause he will earn Bum Status rather quickly. > Drafted Warren McClendon with their 6th pick (#174), so "now they are prioritizing". People obviously forget in 2018 they took two OL in the first 111 picks and in 2019 two OL in the first 169 picks. But now they are prioritizing! Perception I guess. And the slot they are drafted in determines the level of priority? Jackie Slater was drafted 86th in 1976 when the NFL had 28 teams. Third round, 7 picks before the first pick of the 4th round. Ken Iman...UDFA. Doug Smith...UDFA. Rich Saul #208. Joe Scibelli, #130 overall...10th ROUND!!! 2nd rounders Tom Newberry (6 picks from the 3rd round) and Irv Pankey, (7 picks from the third round) both #50. Now those Rams execs prioritized OL. Perspective!!As far as 5 OL on the field vs 2 Edge rushers, that's true. 5 OL expected to play the entire game....every snap.....while the 2 Edge rushers usually get spelled by 2 more Edge rushers behind them on the depth chart. Those are the facts. People can distort them to the best of their ability (and some have vast ability in that area). But injured doesn't equal "bum" or "lack of effort" or "ignoring the position" or "not prioritzing the position". One other quote from the wise one.... “You can’t depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus.” (I'd add, or you're perception) Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril 1 by ramman2999 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 970 Joined: Nov 23 2022 LA Coliseum Veteran 2023 Draft POST #194 PARAM liked this post Here are facts. 1. We got depth back. Look at the Lakers. Man you need depth. I really think Sneed did a great job of getting youth. Let’s look at the youth movement. Gotta make Lemonade. I love Ramsay Corner Jacoby Durant Corner Devian Kendrick Safety Quentin Lake Edge Bryan Young D Tackle Turner Kolby Turner Guard Center Avila They got so much younger so many picks. Add that to Aaron Donald Cooper Kupp Von Jefferson Tutu Atwell and those are our receivers. Running back Cam Akers. Please draft him in fantasy. Then you have your Quarterback in Matthew Stafford. And your backup who’s on his timeline to play in three years when Stafford retires. By then he would’ve mastered the offense. And they like him. He’s a winner Stetson Bennett. He’s beat Bryce Young. So overall you have to applaud this draft. I think it was great. I think we had the best draft. When you look at everything we traded away. And now us winning our super bowl. Getting our picks back. We just reloaded in a big way. 1 by Elvis 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 41506 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator 2023 Draft POST #195 TOPIC AUTHOR How Soon Can NFL Teams Tell if Draft Pick Was Worth It?Joe BannerFormer NFL ExecutiveMay 11, 2023 4 min readIt’s rare to find all 32 teams agree on something. But ask them what happened at the annual NFL Draft two weeks ago, and the response is unanimous. Without fail, they’ll say what they always say this time of year.They aced their drafts.When Will Teams Know?Of course, nobody knows that until practices resume and games are played. But then what? How soon, people ask me, before NFL clubs can tell if a rookie or undrafted free agent can or will excel? It’s a good question, but one without a specific answer.Because it’s totally individual.There are players who, after two years, you think will be stars … and aren’t. And there are others where, after two years, you say, “Wow, we really missed here”… and then they emerge. Everyone likes to say they had a great draft, but the truth is: They really don’t know.What to Watch ForBut they will if they yield to two factors:Time. That’s pretty obvious. Look at what happened in San Diego. The Chargers drafted Drew Brees in 2001 to be their starting quarterback and gave up on him by 2004. So they acquired Philip Rivers in a draft-day deal and designated him as Brees’ successor. One problem: In his fourth year with the Bolts, Drew Brees became Drew Brees. That left Rivers on the bench until Brees left for New Orleans as an unrestricted free agent in 2006.Understand that not many of the 259 drafted players will start as rookies. They may serve as a backup or rotate in a lineup, but they probably won’t play all that much — especially with a team like the Philadelphia Eagles, who are already solid. Case in point: First-rounder Jalen Carter (scouting report). If he looks good in practices and training camp, he’ll probably be in the defensive-line rotation. But he won’t start this year. That’s not a knock on him. It’s true for every pick the Eagles made. By the end of Year 1, you’ve seen what your rookies have done on the field and in practice, and you know who’s making progress and who’s working hard. But, until you see them in Year 2, you can’t be 100 percent sure what you have. Then, you start to know who’s good and who can be great. Judging bad from good, however, can be done more quickly … usually in Year 1. It really doesn’t take long to identify a bust.Let me give you an example. We once had a situation where the head coach called me into his office after one practice at mini-camp … one practice … with no pads … no contact … and maybe one hour of class session with a position coach and no teaching of techniques.Anyway, I go see the coach, and he tells me that a player we just drafted in the first round four days earlier is a huge miss and that he’s never going to contribute anything to our team and won’t have a long NFL career. I was stunned. “What are you talking about?” I asked. “How can you possibly tell this after one practice with no pads, no contact and no coaching?It’s not like I dismissed what he said because he had enormous credibility. But if that had come from anyone else, I would have thought: Give me a break. It’s one practice. But because of where it came from, I was really, really concerned. Nevertheless, I told him I wasn’t going to abandon hope.And you know something? He was right.Sometimes you draft a player whom some people within the organization like and some don’t. But this was a consensus choice. From the head coach to the GM to the assistant GM, myself and the owner … all of us agreed this was the right pick. The five most important persons within the organization said it was right pick. Yet after one practice without pads the head coach insisted it wasn’t. Worse, he said there was zero chance this player was going to contribute and declared him a complete bust.He ended up being right. The player lasted about two years. Then he was gone. He couldn’t even be a backup. Why Do Choices Go Wrong?So how does something like that happen? When I first sat with the head coach, he described the player as having some kind of mental block with things we needed to do. I didn’t know what that meant, so I was skeptical. I was also determined that, while the coach was giving up, I would not. After all, it was only one practice.But I was wrong, and I wish I could tell you I was the exception. But I wasn’t. I was on board with everyone else.To learn from our mistake, we went back and looked at tape of the player … and I’ll be honest: Watching it, you can’t see what caused him to fail. But the failure was with the scouts who go to the schools. They can miss on talent evaluations because we have enough people checking them. But they can’t miss on intangibles like work ethic, intelligence, drive, and the desire to be great … things you can get from talking to coaches, teammates and trainers. When the scouts come back, they must get those things right. Otherwise, you’re liable to make a big mistake.And that’s what happened.They didn’t have the information we needed. The tape looked good, and everyone said this is the right pick. But it wasn’t. And it wasn’t because we were missing the foundation of success, which was the intangibles.That’s why there’s no timetable for determining a draft win or loss. Granted, that’s not always true for running backs. I’ve always said that’s the easiest position to assess. It doesn’t take long to see how quick backs are, what their vision is and how aggressive they can be. In fact, you have a pretty good idea by the end of training camp.But with defensive linemen and wide receivers, you must be patient. They take the longest. I’ve seen defensive linemen who look ordinary their first two years, then suddenly emerge with double-digit sacks in Year Three. With wide receivers, it’s all about learning how to run routes. That doesn’t come easily and can take two or three years, too.I guess that’s a long way of saying: Don’t pay attention to what NFL teams tell you today about their draft picks. Because they really don’t know. And neither do we.Joe Banner is a former front office executive for the Philadelphia Eagles and Cleveland Browns. He was a part of an Eagles franchise that made a Super Bowl and played in four NFC Championship Games. Follow him on Twitter at @JoeBanner13 RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #196 Joe Banner wrote:Worse, he said there was zero chance this player was going to contribute and declared him a complete bust.He ended up being right. The player lasted about two years. Then he was gone. He couldn’t even be a backup. That’s why there’s no timetable for determining a draft win or loss. Granted, that’s not always true for running backs. I’ve always said that’s the easiest position to assess. It doesn’t take long to see how quick backs are, what their vision is and how aggressive they can be. In fact, you have a pretty good idea by the end of training camp.But with defensive linemen and wide receivers, you must be patient. They take the longest. I’ve seen defensive linemen who look ordinary their first two years, then suddenly emerge with double-digit sacks in Year Three. With wide receivers, it’s all about learning how to run routes. That doesn’t come easily and can take two or three years, too.I guess that’s a long way of saying: Don’t pay attention to what NFL teams tell you today about their draft picks. Because they really don’t know. And neither do we.Joe Banner is a former front office executive for the Philadelphia Eagles and Cleveland Browns. He was a part of an Eagles franchise that made a Super Bowl and played in four NFC Championship Games. Follow him on Twitter at @JoeBanner13Jamal GreenSo we shouldn't give up on Tutu? I was thinking, Bobby Brown. Ernest Brown. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #197 PARAM wrote:Football IQ aside, clearly they (and most NFL teams) take players primarily from the Power 5 conferences. Smarts is important but you also gotta be able to play. The Rams have drafted from those conferences 70% of the time. I found it interesting of those 5 conferences, the PAC12 has the least Rams reps by far (4). It's not the Ivy League but gotta have some smart kids at Stanford . The last 2 years (prior to 2023), over the entire league, the top 2 conferences drafted were the SEC (65 & 65) and B10 (44 & 48) to the tune of 43% and 42% combined. Those are the two highest picked on conferences by the Rams also (B10-12, SEC-11), 34%. I simply wanted to take a look at their drafts to see what colleges/conferences they drafted and what positions they drafted more than others. For instance, Bennett is the first QB drafted in the McVay era. The most drafted positions are Edge (12), OL (10), S (8), WR (6), RB (6), DT (6), CB (5), ILB (4), TE (4), DE (2), QB, FB, PK, P (1 each). One third of all their draft picks have been Edge or OL. They're trying!!!This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by ramman2999 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 970 Joined: Nov 23 2022 LA Coliseum Veteran 2023 Draft POST #198 Wait so you’re telling me we might be one of the teams that drafted a player and we might be one of the teams that was offered a vacation property and we drafted a player for vacation property. That is hilarious. So lol we picked mr. Irrelevant so we could get some vacation property. I have to see this place. Only in the NFL. by Elvis 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 41506 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator 2023 Draft POST #199 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees.I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen... RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #200 Elvis wrote:I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen...Absolutely. Like TGSOT. They drafted Pace and Tucker, signed Timmermann as a UFA and found UDFA's like Gruttadauria, Nutten, McCollum. They also drafted duds like Glenn Roundtree and Cameron Spikes. Under Martz they signed Kyle Turley and drafted Barron. This regime prioritizes the OL. It's just some fans don't see it that way. They must expect 1st and 2nd round picks. That's just not gonna happen often with other needs. For one, this regime hasn't had a first round pick. But they have used their first pick on OL, 3 of 7 times. I don't know what else fans want.......I know who they wanted though. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. 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by ramman2999 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 970 Joined: Nov 23 2022 LA Coliseum Veteran 2023 Draft POST #194 PARAM liked this post Here are facts. 1. We got depth back. Look at the Lakers. Man you need depth. I really think Sneed did a great job of getting youth. Let’s look at the youth movement. Gotta make Lemonade. I love Ramsay Corner Jacoby Durant Corner Devian Kendrick Safety Quentin Lake Edge Bryan Young D Tackle Turner Kolby Turner Guard Center Avila They got so much younger so many picks. Add that to Aaron Donald Cooper Kupp Von Jefferson Tutu Atwell and those are our receivers. Running back Cam Akers. Please draft him in fantasy. Then you have your Quarterback in Matthew Stafford. And your backup who’s on his timeline to play in three years when Stafford retires. By then he would’ve mastered the offense. And they like him. He’s a winner Stetson Bennett. He’s beat Bryce Young. So overall you have to applaud this draft. I think it was great. I think we had the best draft. When you look at everything we traded away. And now us winning our super bowl. Getting our picks back. We just reloaded in a big way. 1 by Elvis 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 41506 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator 2023 Draft POST #195 TOPIC AUTHOR How Soon Can NFL Teams Tell if Draft Pick Was Worth It?Joe BannerFormer NFL ExecutiveMay 11, 2023 4 min readIt’s rare to find all 32 teams agree on something. But ask them what happened at the annual NFL Draft two weeks ago, and the response is unanimous. Without fail, they’ll say what they always say this time of year.They aced their drafts.When Will Teams Know?Of course, nobody knows that until practices resume and games are played. But then what? How soon, people ask me, before NFL clubs can tell if a rookie or undrafted free agent can or will excel? It’s a good question, but one without a specific answer.Because it’s totally individual.There are players who, after two years, you think will be stars … and aren’t. And there are others where, after two years, you say, “Wow, we really missed here”… and then they emerge. Everyone likes to say they had a great draft, but the truth is: They really don’t know.What to Watch ForBut they will if they yield to two factors:Time. That’s pretty obvious. Look at what happened in San Diego. The Chargers drafted Drew Brees in 2001 to be their starting quarterback and gave up on him by 2004. So they acquired Philip Rivers in a draft-day deal and designated him as Brees’ successor. One problem: In his fourth year with the Bolts, Drew Brees became Drew Brees. That left Rivers on the bench until Brees left for New Orleans as an unrestricted free agent in 2006.Understand that not many of the 259 drafted players will start as rookies. They may serve as a backup or rotate in a lineup, but they probably won’t play all that much — especially with a team like the Philadelphia Eagles, who are already solid. Case in point: First-rounder Jalen Carter (scouting report). If he looks good in practices and training camp, he’ll probably be in the defensive-line rotation. But he won’t start this year. That’s not a knock on him. It’s true for every pick the Eagles made. By the end of Year 1, you’ve seen what your rookies have done on the field and in practice, and you know who’s making progress and who’s working hard. But, until you see them in Year 2, you can’t be 100 percent sure what you have. Then, you start to know who’s good and who can be great. Judging bad from good, however, can be done more quickly … usually in Year 1. It really doesn’t take long to identify a bust.Let me give you an example. We once had a situation where the head coach called me into his office after one practice at mini-camp … one practice … with no pads … no contact … and maybe one hour of class session with a position coach and no teaching of techniques.Anyway, I go see the coach, and he tells me that a player we just drafted in the first round four days earlier is a huge miss and that he’s never going to contribute anything to our team and won’t have a long NFL career. I was stunned. “What are you talking about?” I asked. “How can you possibly tell this after one practice with no pads, no contact and no coaching?It’s not like I dismissed what he said because he had enormous credibility. But if that had come from anyone else, I would have thought: Give me a break. It’s one practice. But because of where it came from, I was really, really concerned. Nevertheless, I told him I wasn’t going to abandon hope.And you know something? He was right.Sometimes you draft a player whom some people within the organization like and some don’t. But this was a consensus choice. From the head coach to the GM to the assistant GM, myself and the owner … all of us agreed this was the right pick. The five most important persons within the organization said it was right pick. Yet after one practice without pads the head coach insisted it wasn’t. Worse, he said there was zero chance this player was going to contribute and declared him a complete bust.He ended up being right. The player lasted about two years. Then he was gone. He couldn’t even be a backup. Why Do Choices Go Wrong?So how does something like that happen? When I first sat with the head coach, he described the player as having some kind of mental block with things we needed to do. I didn’t know what that meant, so I was skeptical. I was also determined that, while the coach was giving up, I would not. After all, it was only one practice.But I was wrong, and I wish I could tell you I was the exception. But I wasn’t. I was on board with everyone else.To learn from our mistake, we went back and looked at tape of the player … and I’ll be honest: Watching it, you can’t see what caused him to fail. But the failure was with the scouts who go to the schools. They can miss on talent evaluations because we have enough people checking them. But they can’t miss on intangibles like work ethic, intelligence, drive, and the desire to be great … things you can get from talking to coaches, teammates and trainers. When the scouts come back, they must get those things right. Otherwise, you’re liable to make a big mistake.And that’s what happened.They didn’t have the information we needed. The tape looked good, and everyone said this is the right pick. But it wasn’t. And it wasn’t because we were missing the foundation of success, which was the intangibles.That’s why there’s no timetable for determining a draft win or loss. Granted, that’s not always true for running backs. I’ve always said that’s the easiest position to assess. It doesn’t take long to see how quick backs are, what their vision is and how aggressive they can be. In fact, you have a pretty good idea by the end of training camp.But with defensive linemen and wide receivers, you must be patient. They take the longest. I’ve seen defensive linemen who look ordinary their first two years, then suddenly emerge with double-digit sacks in Year Three. With wide receivers, it’s all about learning how to run routes. That doesn’t come easily and can take two or three years, too.I guess that’s a long way of saying: Don’t pay attention to what NFL teams tell you today about their draft picks. Because they really don’t know. And neither do we.Joe Banner is a former front office executive for the Philadelphia Eagles and Cleveland Browns. He was a part of an Eagles franchise that made a Super Bowl and played in four NFC Championship Games. Follow him on Twitter at @JoeBanner13 RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #196 Joe Banner wrote:Worse, he said there was zero chance this player was going to contribute and declared him a complete bust.He ended up being right. The player lasted about two years. Then he was gone. He couldn’t even be a backup. That’s why there’s no timetable for determining a draft win or loss. Granted, that’s not always true for running backs. I’ve always said that’s the easiest position to assess. It doesn’t take long to see how quick backs are, what their vision is and how aggressive they can be. In fact, you have a pretty good idea by the end of training camp.But with defensive linemen and wide receivers, you must be patient. They take the longest. I’ve seen defensive linemen who look ordinary their first two years, then suddenly emerge with double-digit sacks in Year Three. With wide receivers, it’s all about learning how to run routes. That doesn’t come easily and can take two or three years, too.I guess that’s a long way of saying: Don’t pay attention to what NFL teams tell you today about their draft picks. Because they really don’t know. And neither do we.Joe Banner is a former front office executive for the Philadelphia Eagles and Cleveland Browns. He was a part of an Eagles franchise that made a Super Bowl and played in four NFC Championship Games. Follow him on Twitter at @JoeBanner13Jamal GreenSo we shouldn't give up on Tutu? I was thinking, Bobby Brown. Ernest Brown. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #197 PARAM wrote:Football IQ aside, clearly they (and most NFL teams) take players primarily from the Power 5 conferences. Smarts is important but you also gotta be able to play. The Rams have drafted from those conferences 70% of the time. I found it interesting of those 5 conferences, the PAC12 has the least Rams reps by far (4). It's not the Ivy League but gotta have some smart kids at Stanford . The last 2 years (prior to 2023), over the entire league, the top 2 conferences drafted were the SEC (65 & 65) and B10 (44 & 48) to the tune of 43% and 42% combined. Those are the two highest picked on conferences by the Rams also (B10-12, SEC-11), 34%. I simply wanted to take a look at their drafts to see what colleges/conferences they drafted and what positions they drafted more than others. For instance, Bennett is the first QB drafted in the McVay era. The most drafted positions are Edge (12), OL (10), S (8), WR (6), RB (6), DT (6), CB (5), ILB (4), TE (4), DE (2), QB, FB, PK, P (1 each). One third of all their draft picks have been Edge or OL. They're trying!!!This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by ramman2999 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 970 Joined: Nov 23 2022 LA Coliseum Veteran 2023 Draft POST #198 Wait so you’re telling me we might be one of the teams that drafted a player and we might be one of the teams that was offered a vacation property and we drafted a player for vacation property. That is hilarious. So lol we picked mr. Irrelevant so we could get some vacation property. I have to see this place. Only in the NFL. by Elvis 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 41506 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator 2023 Draft POST #199 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees.I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen... RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #200 Elvis wrote:I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen...Absolutely. Like TGSOT. They drafted Pace and Tucker, signed Timmermann as a UFA and found UDFA's like Gruttadauria, Nutten, McCollum. They also drafted duds like Glenn Roundtree and Cameron Spikes. Under Martz they signed Kyle Turley and drafted Barron. This regime prioritizes the OL. It's just some fans don't see it that way. They must expect 1st and 2nd round picks. That's just not gonna happen often with other needs. For one, this regime hasn't had a first round pick. But they have used their first pick on OL, 3 of 7 times. I don't know what else fans want.......I know who they wanted though. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. 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by Elvis 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 41506 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator 2023 Draft POST #195 TOPIC AUTHOR How Soon Can NFL Teams Tell if Draft Pick Was Worth It?Joe BannerFormer NFL ExecutiveMay 11, 2023 4 min readIt’s rare to find all 32 teams agree on something. But ask them what happened at the annual NFL Draft two weeks ago, and the response is unanimous. Without fail, they’ll say what they always say this time of year.They aced their drafts.When Will Teams Know?Of course, nobody knows that until practices resume and games are played. But then what? How soon, people ask me, before NFL clubs can tell if a rookie or undrafted free agent can or will excel? It’s a good question, but one without a specific answer.Because it’s totally individual.There are players who, after two years, you think will be stars … and aren’t. And there are others where, after two years, you say, “Wow, we really missed here”… and then they emerge. Everyone likes to say they had a great draft, but the truth is: They really don’t know.What to Watch ForBut they will if they yield to two factors:Time. That’s pretty obvious. Look at what happened in San Diego. The Chargers drafted Drew Brees in 2001 to be their starting quarterback and gave up on him by 2004. So they acquired Philip Rivers in a draft-day deal and designated him as Brees’ successor. One problem: In his fourth year with the Bolts, Drew Brees became Drew Brees. That left Rivers on the bench until Brees left for New Orleans as an unrestricted free agent in 2006.Understand that not many of the 259 drafted players will start as rookies. They may serve as a backup or rotate in a lineup, but they probably won’t play all that much — especially with a team like the Philadelphia Eagles, who are already solid. Case in point: First-rounder Jalen Carter (scouting report). If he looks good in practices and training camp, he’ll probably be in the defensive-line rotation. But he won’t start this year. That’s not a knock on him. It’s true for every pick the Eagles made. By the end of Year 1, you’ve seen what your rookies have done on the field and in practice, and you know who’s making progress and who’s working hard. But, until you see them in Year 2, you can’t be 100 percent sure what you have. Then, you start to know who’s good and who can be great. Judging bad from good, however, can be done more quickly … usually in Year 1. It really doesn’t take long to identify a bust.Let me give you an example. We once had a situation where the head coach called me into his office after one practice at mini-camp … one practice … with no pads … no contact … and maybe one hour of class session with a position coach and no teaching of techniques.Anyway, I go see the coach, and he tells me that a player we just drafted in the first round four days earlier is a huge miss and that he’s never going to contribute anything to our team and won’t have a long NFL career. I was stunned. “What are you talking about?” I asked. “How can you possibly tell this after one practice with no pads, no contact and no coaching?It’s not like I dismissed what he said because he had enormous credibility. But if that had come from anyone else, I would have thought: Give me a break. It’s one practice. But because of where it came from, I was really, really concerned. Nevertheless, I told him I wasn’t going to abandon hope.And you know something? He was right.Sometimes you draft a player whom some people within the organization like and some don’t. But this was a consensus choice. From the head coach to the GM to the assistant GM, myself and the owner … all of us agreed this was the right pick. The five most important persons within the organization said it was right pick. Yet after one practice without pads the head coach insisted it wasn’t. Worse, he said there was zero chance this player was going to contribute and declared him a complete bust.He ended up being right. The player lasted about two years. Then he was gone. He couldn’t even be a backup. Why Do Choices Go Wrong?So how does something like that happen? When I first sat with the head coach, he described the player as having some kind of mental block with things we needed to do. I didn’t know what that meant, so I was skeptical. I was also determined that, while the coach was giving up, I would not. After all, it was only one practice.But I was wrong, and I wish I could tell you I was the exception. But I wasn’t. I was on board with everyone else.To learn from our mistake, we went back and looked at tape of the player … and I’ll be honest: Watching it, you can’t see what caused him to fail. But the failure was with the scouts who go to the schools. They can miss on talent evaluations because we have enough people checking them. But they can’t miss on intangibles like work ethic, intelligence, drive, and the desire to be great … things you can get from talking to coaches, teammates and trainers. When the scouts come back, they must get those things right. Otherwise, you’re liable to make a big mistake.And that’s what happened.They didn’t have the information we needed. The tape looked good, and everyone said this is the right pick. But it wasn’t. And it wasn’t because we were missing the foundation of success, which was the intangibles.That’s why there’s no timetable for determining a draft win or loss. Granted, that’s not always true for running backs. I’ve always said that’s the easiest position to assess. It doesn’t take long to see how quick backs are, what their vision is and how aggressive they can be. In fact, you have a pretty good idea by the end of training camp.But with defensive linemen and wide receivers, you must be patient. They take the longest. I’ve seen defensive linemen who look ordinary their first two years, then suddenly emerge with double-digit sacks in Year Three. With wide receivers, it’s all about learning how to run routes. That doesn’t come easily and can take two or three years, too.I guess that’s a long way of saying: Don’t pay attention to what NFL teams tell you today about their draft picks. Because they really don’t know. And neither do we.Joe Banner is a former front office executive for the Philadelphia Eagles and Cleveland Browns. He was a part of an Eagles franchise that made a Super Bowl and played in four NFC Championship Games. Follow him on Twitter at @JoeBanner13 RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #196 Joe Banner wrote:Worse, he said there was zero chance this player was going to contribute and declared him a complete bust.He ended up being right. The player lasted about two years. Then he was gone. He couldn’t even be a backup. That’s why there’s no timetable for determining a draft win or loss. Granted, that’s not always true for running backs. I’ve always said that’s the easiest position to assess. It doesn’t take long to see how quick backs are, what their vision is and how aggressive they can be. In fact, you have a pretty good idea by the end of training camp.But with defensive linemen and wide receivers, you must be patient. They take the longest. I’ve seen defensive linemen who look ordinary their first two years, then suddenly emerge with double-digit sacks in Year Three. With wide receivers, it’s all about learning how to run routes. That doesn’t come easily and can take two or three years, too.I guess that’s a long way of saying: Don’t pay attention to what NFL teams tell you today about their draft picks. Because they really don’t know. And neither do we.Joe Banner is a former front office executive for the Philadelphia Eagles and Cleveland Browns. He was a part of an Eagles franchise that made a Super Bowl and played in four NFC Championship Games. Follow him on Twitter at @JoeBanner13Jamal GreenSo we shouldn't give up on Tutu? I was thinking, Bobby Brown. Ernest Brown. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #197 PARAM wrote:Football IQ aside, clearly they (and most NFL teams) take players primarily from the Power 5 conferences. Smarts is important but you also gotta be able to play. The Rams have drafted from those conferences 70% of the time. I found it interesting of those 5 conferences, the PAC12 has the least Rams reps by far (4). It's not the Ivy League but gotta have some smart kids at Stanford . The last 2 years (prior to 2023), over the entire league, the top 2 conferences drafted were the SEC (65 & 65) and B10 (44 & 48) to the tune of 43% and 42% combined. Those are the two highest picked on conferences by the Rams also (B10-12, SEC-11), 34%. I simply wanted to take a look at their drafts to see what colleges/conferences they drafted and what positions they drafted more than others. For instance, Bennett is the first QB drafted in the McVay era. The most drafted positions are Edge (12), OL (10), S (8), WR (6), RB (6), DT (6), CB (5), ILB (4), TE (4), DE (2), QB, FB, PK, P (1 each). One third of all their draft picks have been Edge or OL. They're trying!!!This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by ramman2999 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 970 Joined: Nov 23 2022 LA Coliseum Veteran 2023 Draft POST #198 Wait so you’re telling me we might be one of the teams that drafted a player and we might be one of the teams that was offered a vacation property and we drafted a player for vacation property. That is hilarious. So lol we picked mr. Irrelevant so we could get some vacation property. I have to see this place. Only in the NFL. by Elvis 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 41506 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator 2023 Draft POST #199 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees.I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen... RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #200 Elvis wrote:I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen...Absolutely. Like TGSOT. They drafted Pace and Tucker, signed Timmermann as a UFA and found UDFA's like Gruttadauria, Nutten, McCollum. They also drafted duds like Glenn Roundtree and Cameron Spikes. Under Martz they signed Kyle Turley and drafted Barron. This regime prioritizes the OL. It's just some fans don't see it that way. They must expect 1st and 2nd round picks. That's just not gonna happen often with other needs. For one, this regime hasn't had a first round pick. But they have used their first pick on OL, 3 of 7 times. I don't know what else fans want.......I know who they wanted though. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. 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by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #196 Joe Banner wrote:Worse, he said there was zero chance this player was going to contribute and declared him a complete bust.He ended up being right. The player lasted about two years. Then he was gone. He couldn’t even be a backup. That’s why there’s no timetable for determining a draft win or loss. Granted, that’s not always true for running backs. I’ve always said that’s the easiest position to assess. It doesn’t take long to see how quick backs are, what their vision is and how aggressive they can be. In fact, you have a pretty good idea by the end of training camp.But with defensive linemen and wide receivers, you must be patient. They take the longest. I’ve seen defensive linemen who look ordinary their first two years, then suddenly emerge with double-digit sacks in Year Three. With wide receivers, it’s all about learning how to run routes. That doesn’t come easily and can take two or three years, too.I guess that’s a long way of saying: Don’t pay attention to what NFL teams tell you today about their draft picks. Because they really don’t know. And neither do we.Joe Banner is a former front office executive for the Philadelphia Eagles and Cleveland Browns. He was a part of an Eagles franchise that made a Super Bowl and played in four NFC Championship Games. Follow him on Twitter at @JoeBanner13Jamal GreenSo we shouldn't give up on Tutu? I was thinking, Bobby Brown. Ernest Brown. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #197 PARAM wrote:Football IQ aside, clearly they (and most NFL teams) take players primarily from the Power 5 conferences. Smarts is important but you also gotta be able to play. The Rams have drafted from those conferences 70% of the time. I found it interesting of those 5 conferences, the PAC12 has the least Rams reps by far (4). It's not the Ivy League but gotta have some smart kids at Stanford . The last 2 years (prior to 2023), over the entire league, the top 2 conferences drafted were the SEC (65 & 65) and B10 (44 & 48) to the tune of 43% and 42% combined. Those are the two highest picked on conferences by the Rams also (B10-12, SEC-11), 34%. I simply wanted to take a look at their drafts to see what colleges/conferences they drafted and what positions they drafted more than others. For instance, Bennett is the first QB drafted in the McVay era. The most drafted positions are Edge (12), OL (10), S (8), WR (6), RB (6), DT (6), CB (5), ILB (4), TE (4), DE (2), QB, FB, PK, P (1 each). One third of all their draft picks have been Edge or OL. They're trying!!!This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by ramman2999 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 970 Joined: Nov 23 2022 LA Coliseum Veteran 2023 Draft POST #198 Wait so you’re telling me we might be one of the teams that drafted a player and we might be one of the teams that was offered a vacation property and we drafted a player for vacation property. That is hilarious. So lol we picked mr. Irrelevant so we could get some vacation property. I have to see this place. Only in the NFL. by Elvis 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 41506 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator 2023 Draft POST #199 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees.I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen... RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #200 Elvis wrote:I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen...Absolutely. Like TGSOT. They drafted Pace and Tucker, signed Timmermann as a UFA and found UDFA's like Gruttadauria, Nutten, McCollum. They also drafted duds like Glenn Roundtree and Cameron Spikes. Under Martz they signed Kyle Turley and drafted Barron. This regime prioritizes the OL. It's just some fans don't see it that way. They must expect 1st and 2nd round picks. That's just not gonna happen often with other needs. For one, this regime hasn't had a first round pick. But they have used their first pick on OL, 3 of 7 times. I don't know what else fans want.......I know who they wanted though. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril Reply 20 / 26 1 20 26 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 258 posts Jul 06 2025
by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #197 PARAM wrote:Football IQ aside, clearly they (and most NFL teams) take players primarily from the Power 5 conferences. Smarts is important but you also gotta be able to play. The Rams have drafted from those conferences 70% of the time. I found it interesting of those 5 conferences, the PAC12 has the least Rams reps by far (4). It's not the Ivy League but gotta have some smart kids at Stanford . The last 2 years (prior to 2023), over the entire league, the top 2 conferences drafted were the SEC (65 & 65) and B10 (44 & 48) to the tune of 43% and 42% combined. Those are the two highest picked on conferences by the Rams also (B10-12, SEC-11), 34%. I simply wanted to take a look at their drafts to see what colleges/conferences they drafted and what positions they drafted more than others. For instance, Bennett is the first QB drafted in the McVay era. The most drafted positions are Edge (12), OL (10), S (8), WR (6), RB (6), DT (6), CB (5), ILB (4), TE (4), DE (2), QB, FB, PK, P (1 each). One third of all their draft picks have been Edge or OL. They're trying!!!This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by ramman2999 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 970 Joined: Nov 23 2022 LA Coliseum Veteran 2023 Draft POST #198 Wait so you’re telling me we might be one of the teams that drafted a player and we might be one of the teams that was offered a vacation property and we drafted a player for vacation property. That is hilarious. So lol we picked mr. Irrelevant so we could get some vacation property. I have to see this place. Only in the NFL. by Elvis 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 41506 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator 2023 Draft POST #199 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees.I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen... RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #200 Elvis wrote:I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen...Absolutely. Like TGSOT. They drafted Pace and Tucker, signed Timmermann as a UFA and found UDFA's like Gruttadauria, Nutten, McCollum. They also drafted duds like Glenn Roundtree and Cameron Spikes. Under Martz they signed Kyle Turley and drafted Barron. This regime prioritizes the OL. It's just some fans don't see it that way. They must expect 1st and 2nd round picks. That's just not gonna happen often with other needs. For one, this regime hasn't had a first round pick. But they have used their first pick on OL, 3 of 7 times. I don't know what else fans want.......I know who they wanted though. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril Reply 20 / 26 1 20 26 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 258 posts Jul 06 2025
by ramman2999 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 970 Joined: Nov 23 2022 LA Coliseum Veteran 2023 Draft POST #198 Wait so you’re telling me we might be one of the teams that drafted a player and we might be one of the teams that was offered a vacation property and we drafted a player for vacation property. That is hilarious. So lol we picked mr. Irrelevant so we could get some vacation property. I have to see this place. Only in the NFL. by Elvis 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 41506 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator 2023 Draft POST #199 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees.I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen... RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #200 Elvis wrote:I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen...Absolutely. Like TGSOT. They drafted Pace and Tucker, signed Timmermann as a UFA and found UDFA's like Gruttadauria, Nutten, McCollum. They also drafted duds like Glenn Roundtree and Cameron Spikes. Under Martz they signed Kyle Turley and drafted Barron. This regime prioritizes the OL. It's just some fans don't see it that way. They must expect 1st and 2nd round picks. That's just not gonna happen often with other needs. For one, this regime hasn't had a first round pick. But they have used their first pick on OL, 3 of 7 times. I don't know what else fans want.......I know who they wanted though. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril Reply 20 / 26 1 20 26 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 258 posts Jul 06 2025
by Elvis 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 41506 Joined: Mar 28 2015 Los Angeles Administrator 2023 Draft POST #199 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:This was intended to be a post about what conferences (and schools) the Rams draft players. While I was looking at that, I also figured I'd list positions too. Unfortunately, it was taken as a pro-OL post because of a red highlight. I simply pointed out by virtue of the number of positions drafted that this staff made an effort to bring in pass pressure (OLB/Edge) and pass protection (OL), more than any other positions. So, since it became about the OL how does McVay/Snead stack up against past Rams head coach/GM duos when it comes to OL?Vermeil (3 yrs), 4 OL (#1, #112, #159, #145). Keepers? Two. #1 Pace and #112 Ryan Tucker.Martz (5 yrs), 9 OL (#94, #104, #220, #130, #184, #238, #19, #81, #134). Keepers? Two. Alex Barron #19 and Richie Incognito #81Linehan (3 yrs), 6 OL (#242, #243, #139, #190, #65, #157). Keepers? One, depending on your opinion of John Greco. Spagnuolo (3 yrs), 2 OL (#2 and #33). Keeper? Saffold #33. Fisher (5 yrs), 9 OL (#150, #113, #2, #226, #250, #57, #72, #119, #215) Keepers? Havenstein #57 and Jamon Brown (?) #72No matter how much draft capital was spent on OL in the past, the magic number seems to be 2 keepers from any head coach. The lowest drafted keeper? #81 Richie Incognito. So how has McVay done vs those other guys. We must consider, he's working from #33 down since he's never had a 1st round pick to use and 3 of those 8 keepers from previous head coaches were taken #33 or higher (reason to believe in Avila, eh?). IMO, I'd say Noteboom, Allen and Edwards are keepers but I know that's a minority view. Anchrum, Bruss still pending if we're to believe Joe Banner and of course Avila and McClendon. We'll see. But he's certainly tried as much as anybody we've had since 97 (the last 25 years).8 Keepers previous to McVay? Ohio St., TCU, Florida St., Oregon (because Incognito was kicked off Nebraska's squad...which in those days you practically had to be convicted of murder to accomplish that), Toledo, Indiana, Wisconsin and Louisville. McVay's keepers (IMO). TCU, Michigan St., Wisconsin. Hmmmm. Glad he went to Wisconsin and Michigan St for his 2022 draftees and TCU, Georgia for his 2023 OL draftees.I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen... RFU Season Ticket Holder by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #200 Elvis wrote:I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen...Absolutely. Like TGSOT. They drafted Pace and Tucker, signed Timmermann as a UFA and found UDFA's like Gruttadauria, Nutten, McCollum. They also drafted duds like Glenn Roundtree and Cameron Spikes. Under Martz they signed Kyle Turley and drafted Barron. This regime prioritizes the OL. It's just some fans don't see it that way. They must expect 1st and 2nd round picks. That's just not gonna happen often with other needs. For one, this regime hasn't had a first round pick. But they have used their first pick on OL, 3 of 7 times. I don't know what else fans want.......I know who they wanted though. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril Reply 20 / 26 1 20 26 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 258 posts Jul 06 2025
by PARAM 2 years 1 month ago Total posts: 13218 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame 2023 Draft POST #200 Elvis wrote:I know we've been through this stuff a million times but there's more than just the draft. You also have trades and FA. The Rams went to the playoffs in 4/5 years, 2 SBs and won one using their approach to building a team and Oline. I don't know what other metric you could possibly want to use to know it works.Last year's team and Oline were decimated by injuries.This year remains to be seen...Absolutely. Like TGSOT. They drafted Pace and Tucker, signed Timmermann as a UFA and found UDFA's like Gruttadauria, Nutten, McCollum. They also drafted duds like Glenn Roundtree and Cameron Spikes. Under Martz they signed Kyle Turley and drafted Barron. This regime prioritizes the OL. It's just some fans don't see it that way. They must expect 1st and 2nd round picks. That's just not gonna happen often with other needs. For one, this regime hasn't had a first round pick. But they have used their first pick on OL, 3 of 7 times. I don't know what else fans want.......I know who they wanted though. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril Reply 20 / 26 1 20 26 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business