[Hacksaw]

StL, jerked around way to long and had to scramble at the end. It was their choice to throw that hail mary expense. It was StL's decision which only came about after the STL and the sports authority there failed to live up to their obligations under their agreement.

Folks buying gear made that choice with full knowledge of what was happening. Perhaps they were just cold.

Those garment purchases had no bearing on or relativity to the stadium situation.

Other possible developments came about as a result of the way StL handled the whole thing.

Kroenke just figured a way out.
Thank you St Louis for choking away our team..

[St. Loser Fan]

StL, jerked around way to long and had to scramble at the end. It was their choice to throw that hail mary expense. It was StL's decision which only came about after the STL and the sports authority there failed to live up to Their obligations under their agreement.

St. Louis made the decision for the hail mary. It was the Rams decision to show interest and demand changes to the design of the north Riverfront stadium.

Folks buying gear made that choice with full knowledge of what was happening. Perhaps they were just cold.

Those garment purchases had no bearing on or relativity to the stadium situation.

Petty.

I still remember the 50% off sale they had at the last home game for anything that said "St. Louis". And I want to say it was nice and warm that day: like 70 degrees or something because I didn't ever wear a jacket into the game.

But I agree it's just petty. This trial should never see a court room or bother the LA Rams. It's just lawyers, regardless of city, doing what they do naturally and chasing the money.

[Hacksaw]

Stan was never involved with either of the proposals that were floated for the area north of the Edward Jones Tomb.

Stan never proposed anything by the Dome, so how could the city demand .....

Haha, love the "Tomb" reference. Touchè.

Stan did throw a $700M set of plans at the CVC for his desired upgrades for the tomb to get them within lease stipulations..

[St. Loser Fan]

Haha, love the "Tomb" reference. Touchè.

It did suck; horribly.

Stan did throw a $700M set of plans at the CVC for his desired upgrades for the tomb to get them within lease stipulations..

$700 million that would have meant:
- the Rams playing 2 (if not 3) seasons on the road while the work was done.
-tearing down half the stadium
-tearing down half of the convention center, making it completely unusable for 18 months at an economic cost of a few hundred million in lost convention business.
-closing down Broadway Ave alongside the Dome for good
All that $700 million would have done was kept the Rams here through 2025. They wouldn't even agree to a minimal extension: not even the 2 or 3 years they would have had to play elsewhere. And in 2025 the Rams could have demanded a whole new stadium or moved to another city.

[Hacksaw]

It did suck; horribly.

$700 million that would have meant:
- the Rams playing 2 (if not 3) seasons on the road while the work was done.
-tearing down half the stadium
-tearing down half of the convention center, making it completely unusable for 18 months at an economic cost of a few hundred million in lost convention business.
-closing down Broadway Ave alongside the Dome for good
All that $700 million would have done was kept the Rams here through 2025. They wouldn't even agree to a minimal extension: not even the 2 or 3 years they would have had to play elsewhere. And in 2025 the Rams could have demanded a whole new stadium or moved to another city.

Just clarifying that he did do something with regard to the "tomb" even if it was a nonstarter.

[dieterbrock]

It did suck; horribly.



$700 million that would have meant:
- the Rams playing 2 (if not 3) seasons on the road while the work was done.
-tearing down half the stadium
-tearing down half of the convention center, making it completely unusable for 18 months at an economic cost of a few hundred million in lost convention business.
-closing down Broadway Ave alongside the Dome for good
All that $700 million would have done was kept the Rams here through 2025. They wouldn't even agree to a minimal extension: not even the 2 or 3 years they would have had to play elsewhere. And in 2025 the Rams could have demanded a whole new stadium or moved to another city.

Exactly. Stan was willing to work with St Louis but they poo poo’d Him so he got pissed and bought half of Los Angeles

[moklerman]

Stan was never involved with either of the proposals that were floated for the area north of the Edward Jones Tomb.

The first was in the mid 2000's and collapsed with the Great Recession.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/sto ... tory5.html


The second was from a guy named Paul McKee. If you want more homework here are some articles about him.
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 6e49f.html

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/stlouis ... ul%20McKee

Stan never proposed anything by the Dome, so how could the city demand profits and control?

(The only thing the city did with Stan was ask if he was interested in building one of his Wal Mart/Sams strip plazas about 3 miles away by the Saint Louis University campus. IIRC this happened 2008/2009 right as the Great Recession slammed the economy and Stan said no. In the end it's where the IKEA was built.)

Thanks for all of the info but I also swear that there was talk of making the Rams and St. Louis into some sort of sports destination by the Rams' brass? Which I would assume meant it was coming from Kroenke.

In his few statements about keeping the Rams in St. Louis maybe? When he eventually left it made sense in retrospect that he wanted to build a Kroenkeworld in St. Louis but the local officials gave him too much resistance.

I still feel like when he gained majority control that he didn't intend to move away from St. Louis and something or someone along the way really pissed him off.

[dieterbrock]

I still feel like when he gained majority control that he didn't intend to move away from St. Louis and something or someone along the way really pissed him off.

That’s how I remember it too.
And I’d like to think I’m pretty unbiased since I’m not from either LA or St Lou
I think he was more than happy to build his empire in the Lou

[moklerman]

That’s how I remember it too.
And I’d like to think I’m pretty unbiased since I’m not from either LA or St Lou
I think he was more than happy to build his empire in the Lou

Yeah, I've got it stuck in my head that he had GRAND plans to not only build the Rams a stadium of their own but to make a sports an entertainment hub that would be hosting Final Fours, NFL Drafts...I think soccer and so on. Basically what he's doing in LA.

And, depending on how sentimental one thinks he might be, it's still hard to believe that he wanted to screw over Missouri.

[St. Loser Fan]

Thanks for all of the info but I also swear that there was talk of making the Rams and St. Louis into some sort of sports destination by the Rams' brass? Which I would assume meant it was coming from Kroenke.

I don't remember it and can't find anything about that proposal.

In his few statements about keeping the Rams in St. Louis maybe? When he eventually left it made sense in retrospect that he wanted to build a Kroenkeworld in St. Louis but the local officials gave him too much resistance.

St. Louis probably wanted to give Stan enough land for a Kroenkeworld but couldn't because the previously mentioned Paul McKee held first rights. St. Louis and the state had to jump through a bunch of hoops to yank the NGA West land from him.
http://nextngawest.com/