[actionjack]

Would like to see a definitive breakdown of how the last 3 games play out.

If we lose to the Jets but beat AZ and Seattle do we win the west regardless?

If we beat Jets and AZ and Seattle loses to MN or Bears, is last game meaningless? (I don't think it is but some people are saying it would be).

Yes we win regardless, and yes the last game would be meaningless as far as winning the division.

At this point the Cardinals game will be for the division.

[PARAM]

Yes we win regardless

Correct

and yes the last game would be meaningless as far as winning the division.

Incorrect. However, if the Bears upset Seattle (and they lose to Minnesota too) and we beat the Jets and Arizona, then the last week is meaningless.

At this point the Cardinals game will be for the division.

The last two are for the division and we have to win both of them....regardless of the Jets game. Unless Seattle doesn't win both weeks 16 and 17.

[Elvis]

Incorrect. However, if the Bears upset Seattle (and they lose to Minnesota too) and we beat the Jets and Arizona, then the last week is meaningless.

I'm not sure this is right.

If we beat Jets and AZ and Seattle loses to either MN or Chi, i believe that makes the last game moot for the division as we would have the tie break.

But i'm open to hear why this is not the case...

[actionjack]

I'm not sure this is right.

If we beat Jets and AZ and Seattle loses to either MN or Chi, i believe that makes the last game moot for the division as we would have the tie break.

But i'm open to hear why this is not the case...

Yep I want to hear to, I am pretty sure we are right. If we beat the Jets and Seattle, and Seattle loses to either Mn or Chicago, Seattle is a game back and if we lost we would still have the better division record.

[Elvis]

Though i suppose it might matter whether Seattle loses to MN or Chicago because of the strength of victory thing...

[PARAM]

I'm not sure this is right.

If we beat Jets and AZ and Seattle loses to either MN or Chi, i believe that makes the last game moot for the division as we would have the tie break.

But i'm open to hear why this is not the case...

Currently:

Rams 8-6 (3-1)(5-5)
Seattle 8-6 (3-2)(4-5)

Let's say Seattle loses to Minnesota and beats Chicago. And the Rams beats the Jets and Arizona.....

Rams 10-6 (4-1)(6-5)
Seattle 9-7 (3-2)(5-6)

one game left. If we beat them, we win on better record 11 wins to 9. But if Seattle beats us....

Rams 10-7 (4-2)(6-6)
Seattle 10-7 (4-2)(6-6)

Common opponents:

New England and the Jets (both LA and Seattle won)
Green Bay and Detroit (both lost)
Miami (Rams lost/Seattle won) Adv Sea
Bills (Rams won/Seattle lost) Adv Rams
Minnesota (Rams won/Seattle lost) Adv Rams
Chicago (Rams lost/Seattle won) Adv Sea
SF (Rams swept/Seattle split) Adv Rams
Arizona (Rams split/Seattle swept) Adv Sea

That's a dead tie. Head to head. Tie. Division record. Tie. Conference record. Tie. Common Opponents. Tie. Margin of victory is the tie-breaker. There has been some discussion on whether that includes just wins or all games, wins and losses. So far Seattle has won their wins by 80 points. The Rams have won their wins by 45 points. It would take some pretty big wins over the Jets and Arizona to catch them......35 points plus whatever they beat Chicago by.....in addition to 1 more than they beat us by in week 18. Let's say they beat the Bears and us by 3..... we'd have to beat the Jets and Cards by 42 points combined. Is that going to happen by a team who has won 7 of 8 games by one score? It could but......

My preference is fuck the tie breaking scenarios. Win out and there's no discussion or debate.

[max]

So far Seattle has won their wins by 80 points. The Rams have won their wins by 45 points. It would take some pretty big wins over the Jets and Arizona to catch them......35 points plus whatever they beat Chicago by.....in addition to 1 more than they beat us by in week 18. Let's say they beat the Bears and us by 3..... we'd have to beat the Jets and Cards by 42 points combined. Is that going to happen by a team who has won 7 of 8 games by one score? It could but......

Thats not how Strength of Victory works. See my table

[Elvis]

That's a dead tie. Head to head. Tie. Division record. Tie. Conference record. Tie. Common Opponents. Tie. Margin of victory is the tie-breaker.

The tiebreaker is not margin of victory it's "strength of victory in all games." That's the combined record of the teams you've beaten. So whichever team has beaten teams with a better combined record wins that tiebreaker.

[actionjack]

The tiebreaker is not margin of victory it's "strength of victory in all games." That's the combined record of the teams you've beaten. So whichever team has beaten teams with a better combined record wins that tiebreaker.

Based on ESPN playoff machine, we own the "strength of victory" over the Seahawks.

[max]

Based on ESPN playoff machine, we own the "strength of victory" over the Seahawks.

Yes, so far. But that could change.