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That is where I'm at. I appreciate what Goff did for us. I was one who never considered him to be elite. But I always said he's good enough to win with. And he did win a lot of games. But he's gone now. Its all about Stafford for me. He's our guy and I certainly believe he's an upgrade on a team that was already pretty good with his predecessor.

Isn't that the most logical way to look at it? Goff had some very bad games and some very good games. Some will point to the bad, some the good. I take them all into consideration with the theory 'nothing is as bad as it seems or as good as it seems'. 42 wins is hard to ignore as is losing the Superbowl. Could he not read defenses? Sure, at times. Could he light up defenses? Sure, at times. KC, Minnesota and though quite different, the CCG at New Orleans in 2018 were 3 of the best performances we'd seen since TGSOT days. I thank him for that and the other 39 wins he was part of but it's time for Stafford and to hope Goff was indeed the problem. Honestly, I can't wait for next Sunday night.

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I don't really care if other Rams fans want to defend Goff....

just don't ask me to feel sorry for a middling QB who had the highest ever Guaranteed Amount of Contract Money in NFL History ($110 Million IIRC).

To me, Goff is no longer a Ram, so I am not rooting for him. I posted often that I thought Goff had the pipsqueak leadership skills of Jimmy Carter, even back when Goff played for us.....

SO, now I wanna see the following:
-Lions go 0-17 in 2021;
-Talking Heads Corps all point to lousy Lion QB play as the main reason for Detroit Debacle;
-No NFL GM is willing to even touch Jared Goff with a barge-pole for 2022 NFL QB consideration;

...and Jared Goff ends up as backup QB/FG Holder for the Saskatchewan RoughRiders for 2022!

Now watch as some Dr. Phil wannabe tells me that harboring the above sentiments somehow means that I am warped and defective!!

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Isn't that the most logical way to look at it? Goff had some very bad games and some very good games. Some will point to the bad, some the good. I take them all into consideration with the theory 'nothing is as bad as it seems or as good as it seems'. 42 wins is hard to ignore as is losing the Superbowl. Could he not read defenses? Sure, at times. Could he light up defenses? Sure, at times. KC, Minnesota and though quite different, the CCG at New Orleans in 2018 were 3 of the best performances we'd seen since TGSOT days. I thank him for that and the other 39 wins he was part of but it's time for Stafford and to hope Goff was indeed the problem. Honestly, I can't wait for next Sunday night.

Here's the thing. First, no one who "cannot read defenses" has the good games he had. Like Tampa in 2020. There's hyperbole that gets toxically mixed into any discussion of Goff. In terms of the bad games, in hs 5th year Stafford had the exact same number of bad games Goff did in 2020. Goff was inconsistent in 2020. So was Stafford in HIS 5th year. That's not a rare thing. Some poor games in your 5th year does not forever tell you what a guy's ceiling is.

And. To be frank, McV didn't help. As an insider says, he knew how to tear JG down but not how to build his confidence back up. McV has many talents but he was not a mature qb coach with Goff.

BUT trading for a Stafford is a good thing. Savvy 13 year vet with a lot of physical talent left. Nothing to complain about there.

Since Stafford is a 13 year vet, McVay will listen to him. That's a better situation. Much more collaborative. All appearances are, they will be good for one another.




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To me, Goff is no longer a Ram, so I am not rooting for him.

SO, now I wanna see the following:
-Lions go 0-17 in 2021

To me, he's no longer a Ram. In fact, probably to everybody on this site not affected by Alzheimers, he's no longer a Ram.

But I don't want Detroit to go 0-17. I'd like to see them win 4 or 5 games. Hopefully among them......vs Seattle. Or SF. Or Arizona. Maybe a GB game and/or a Minnesota game. You know, something that might help the Rams. Not that there's much of a chance for most of that but there's no chance at 0-17.

So, I guess, I'm rooting for Goff on some Sundays. Defender? Not really. I just don't get jilted about sports. Maybe dumb? No, dumb would be rooting for division rivals to win games.

[LARams_1963]

......but FYI, I hope Jared WayWayOverpaid Goff shits the bed in Detroit next year and the Lions go 1-15. .

Well... that's kinda harsh Bro. JG did some good things along with the bad. He's done nothing IMHO to warrant such disdain. I'm glad for the upgrade at the QB position, but wish him the best (except when he plays us). He seems like a good guy, team player and works hard. QB is the toughest position on the field and not everyone can be TB or Joe Montana. Good luck and thanks JG!

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As long as they beat the teams in our division I'll be happy. After that SOSAL works.

Now watch JG light it up and MS stink it up. lol

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Gee, I see I got an "Alzheimers" diagnosis for wishing 0-17 upon Goff ,
and moreover other activists are rooting & parsing through my past missives to, I suppose, discredit my new posts.

For combatting this type of UberSeriousGoffLove, I can see that I am going have to invoke powers & inspiration from The Great Beyond!

To wit, in my best Late Great Dennis Green:

Dr. Pennsylvania: Don't you think you are being irrationally harsh on Jared Goff? Maybe you should take-up a hobby.

ME: I have a hobby. It's writing posts to spike-the-cannons of self-appointed Hallway Monitors! Now, back to business:
Jared Goff is who I thought he was! He's WHO I thought he was!

We all saw him play here for 5 seasons.

Who takes Goff's 0-7 COACH-KILLER NFL Start, plus missing the 2019 Playoffs like it's fooking bullshit??!!
We saw him lose Playoff games to Atlanta, Green Bay, and totally poop-the-bed in SuperBowl LIII vs New England.
He's fooking 3-3 in NFL Post Season sportsfans!!!! Goff is exactly who I thought he was.....a grossly overpaid middling QB!!
That's why I diss the $110MillionGauranteed underachiever to this day!!!

Now, if you wanna crown him, THEN CROWN HIS ASS!!!
....BUT GOFF IS WHO I THOUGHT HE WAS....AND DEMOFF INSANELY OVERPAID HIM!!!

RIP Dennis Green
NFL Fans still remember your colorful turn of phrase!!

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As long as they beat the teams in our division I'll be happy. After that SOSAL works.

Now watch JG light it up and MS stink it up. lol

You were joking obviously but just to run with it--I don't see that happening.

Goff doesn't have enough in Detroit to light it up though he can be very solid, as he has demonstrated in the past already. I think confidence will be a big part of it and so will Detroit's potentially very good OL.

I don't see MS stinking it up. Now I realize you weren't the least bit serious but still, just using this as an opportunity to get in 2 cents. With the Lions, Stafford was playing from behind a huge percentage of the time, and that percentage will get cut way down. Also with the Lions, he had bad defenses so pressure to score constantly, and no running game to make things less predictable. He should do very well with the Rams, as we all know.

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Gee, I see I got an "Alzheimers" diagnosis for wishing 0-17 upon Goff

Question? Do English words mean something different in Canada? Or do you simply skip over every other one like a victim of the Evelyn Wood speed reading method? Who diagnosed you with Alzheimers? You said, "see, to me, Goff is no longer a Ram....." and I guess what I should have said was, "no shit Sherlock. To all Ram fans, he's no longer a Ram!!", instead of making a joke and saying 'he's no longer a Ram to anybody not suffering from Alzheimers'.

I also pointed out, rooting for the Lions to go 0-17 is like rooting for the niners, seahawks, cardinals (and everybody else on the Lions schedule) to win....which in some cases, could hurt the Rams. Not exactly something a Ram fan wants.

Though it's extreme to harbor resentment so fierce you can't see the forest for the trees, to each his own. But I hope Goff occasionally plays lights out and has his best games against anybody the Rams are fighting with for the division or conference seeding. But that's just me (and probably a lot of other Ram fans).

As far as your "uber serious Goff love" statement, you really need to stop assigning labels to posters who may disagree with your take. Just because the overwhelming majority of fans don't turn into Howard Beale, it doesn't mean they "love" Goff or are "defending" Goff. They just take what could be a more rational (and to some people a novel) approach.

Hey whatever floats your boat! Hate on ex-Rams. Wish them ill (or injury). Root on the Seahawks, Niners and Cardinals to beat the crap out of them. Take an uber-dramatic approach. Whomever wrote, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" never met a sports fan from Canada, eh???!!!

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With the Lions, Stafford was playing from behind a huge percentage of the time...........he had bad defenses so pressure to score constantly, and no running game to make things less predictable.
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Yeah, like even in a zero-zero game, he probably felt like he was trailing!!