[AvengerRam]

Jared Goff's passer rating is 31.7 points higher at home than on the road.

Is that all that surprising?

Drew Brees' passer rating is 32.8 points higher at home than on the road.
Matt Ryan's passer rating is 24.5 points higher at home than on the road.
Deshaun Watson's passer rating is 17.2 points higher at home than on the road.
Ben Roethlisberger's passer rating is 16.7 points higher at home than on the road.
Carson Wentz's passer rating is 11.1 points higher at home than on the road.
Tom Brady's passer rating is 9.9 points higher at home than on the road.

Playing on the road impacts a lot of QBs.

[Hacksaw]

So many variables besides QB play. Each player affects the others as does each opponent, their particular strengths and schemes.

Each game is apple's and oranges.

'We Not Me' can do this...

[Elvis]

This might be a good opportunity to prepare for an underwater game:

[dieterbrock]

I thought this was a pretty cool interview:
https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2018/1 ... ean-mcvay/

Q: Which defense have you found hardest to dissect and throw against and why?

A: Uh… This year it was the Broncos. They did a good job shutting us down. They did a lot of good things to counteract what we were doing. Getting into specifics would be hard but they had a good plan

[aeneas1]

It would tell us that he's had 3 out of 7 bad games on the road this year.

Do you think that's good?

honestly, i think it's pretty meaningless...

had an off game in 25 degree windy weather in denver, and an off game in detroit.. warner had (arguably) 5 off games in 2001, a 76 qb rating or lower, when he led the rams to a 14-2 record and 1st in offensive points scored, i don't remember thinking off days were becoming a trend with him?

goff is 22-5 over the last 2 seasons, 12-2 on the road, will an off day in sub 20 weather resulting in a 12-3 road record turn my world upside down, have me fretting about trends? not at all.

now if you want to talk rams defense vs the better qbs in the league, if you want to frame that as an unsettling trend through week 13, i'm all ears.

[/zn/]

Well, I don't see many "He's not there" threads when he has a good game.

Obviously, right? You don't worry about a player when he's clicking. But if he's not it's fair to ask, is this an issue? And actually what IS the issue? You also don't see any "Donald isn't worth the money" posts anymore like we used to in the first 3 games when he had no sacks.

But in the case of Goff, I suppose it depends on what you think "not there" means. Does it mean elite? Does it mean a mature consistent starter? Does it mean fully developed? Either way I do know that saying he's not there yet is not the same as saying he's no good or a bust or anything like that (which some people used to say about JG). Whoever says he's not there yet obviously believes he can get there (he has the talent) but just hasn't done it yet, or at least hasn't against top defenses on the road. I don't know at what level Max means that though. I do get a sense that the people who took him to task over it were just over-reacting. (I don't think just disagreeing is over-reacting btw.)

It's like the old comeback debate. At one point, some people said, well Goff hasn't had any 4th quarter comeback wins. At the time, the dominant argument against that was that comeback wins don't mean anything and paying attention to them is silly. After he had some comeback wins that turned into "ha ha see and yet some said he can't do that." Meanwhile no one ever once said he couldn't--that's just completely made up.

Talking about Goff can become a loaded topic for some reason.

[/zn/]

So many variables besides QB play. Each player affects the others as does each opponent, their particular strengths and schemes.

Each game is apple's and oranges.

'We Not Me' can do this...

I think that's absolutely true of the Rams as is. Since 2017 Goff has had 7 subpar games (ie. subpar for him). The Rams won 5 of those. So I don't see the issue as a matter of winning v. losing.

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[aeneas1]

Just my .02, but its only a "bad game" when the QB costs the game, and Goff hasn't come close to doing that

how spoiled are we? goff's numbers @ detroit were less than stellar yet he led the rams to 30 offensive points on day and, wait for it, the win... brees has played 3 games against top 10 defenses in offensive points allowed (ravens, cowboys, and vikes) this year, and led the saints to an average of 19 points per game against them - against everyone else he's put up an average of 39 offensive points.

[snackdaddy]

how spoiled are we? goff's numbers @ detroit were less than stellar yet he led the rams to 30 offensive points on day and, wait for it, the win... brees has played 3 games against top 10 defenses in offensive points allowed (ravens, cowboys, and vikes) this year, and led the saints to an average of 19 points per game against them - against everyone else he's put up an average of 39 offensive points.

QB's like Brees and Brady get the benefit of the doubt if they have an off day. They've got the years and hardware that Goff doesn't have. But I honestly believe Goff will be "there" one day. He's got 34 career starts. He's far from a finished product. And having a coach like McVay, along with a GM like Snead who knows how valuable good receivers, will go a long way to aid in his development.

A good coach and system can really make a difference. Does anyone think Tom Brady or Peyton Manning would have the careers they've had if they were drafted by Jeff Fisher?

I rely on the eyeball test too. When I watch the Rams offense operate with Goff I don't get this sense of frustration I usually got when watching guys like Keenum run the offense. I see a kid out there who can make some very good throws and good decisions. I always feel like we're a drive away from scoring. Before, I felt like we were a few plays from punting.

[/zn/]

Lets get something straight right off the bat, as A1 pointed out, the first Seattle game this season was a Goff masterpiece, if you think otherwise you are clueless and there is no debating that.

The Rams came from behind, down by 1 point, at 6:09 in the 3th quarter on a series that featured 3 key throws by Goff. So he came through.

Before that point he had 2 INTs in the game though one was a hail mary and really doesn;t count. The first was a somewhat questionable throw that got deflected and intercepted, and that led to a Seattle drive and TD.

I think overall that was a good game by Goff. There was the INT that counts and 2 fumbles. But "masterpiece"? I save that for games like Minnesota and Kansas City.

Thanks for the invitation to look back. Upon review I don't think that really qualifies as an "off" game by him. But "masterpiece"? Naw sorry I think we have to have a higher standard for terms like that.

There's always debating name-calling based value judgments cause that stuff is just emotional and not anything real.

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