[dieterbrock]

Team will know whether it has corners or not by draft time.

Again.. I'm saying compete on the right side.
I guess I'm fucking stupid.
Oh, wait..

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/20 ... right.html

Not stupid, but you might want to work on comprehension.
If a talent like Ramszek (#2 overall) were to drop all the way to 23? Sure bpa changes everything and talent like that can’t be passed up.
Oh and BTW he was a LT playing LT in the pros. Nothing about ORG

[dieterbrock]

Holy shit, dude... you’re so fucking intent on making me wrong that you can’t get out of your own way.
He was fucking pick 32. Whoops!
How about that for comprehension?
I would be fine trying him at guard and fine with him beating out Hav.

What’s your point?

I'm just trying to have conversation but you are exploding like a child. What's your deal?
I'm not trying to prove you wrong, just trying to figure out what your point is. Every time I ask a question, you explode and change your tune. Seems like we mostly agree but you're more intent on arguing that you cant even see that.
Whatever....
My bad on his pick position

[Hacksaw]

Ramszek,, he's a no brainer.

We need to fortify protections but more so the D. Focus on the D.

[RamsFanSince82]

Maybe you missed the part where I said I'd expect him to beat out Brown or Hav while he develops?

It seems like you ignored the chart that A1 provided that showed the OTs that have been drafted in the first or second round over the past three years have played poorly (with very few exceptions) and probably wouldn't beat out Brown and/or Hav.

[/zn/]

It seems like you ignored the chart that A1 provided that showed the OTs that have been drafted in the first or second round over the past three years have played poorly (with very few exceptions) and probably wouldn't beat out Brown and/or Hav.

That one's really funny because a while back we had this discussion about how college linemen were getting harder to judge for the draft because of the spread, and the result was that 1st round OL picks are recently not as safe as they were in the past. That argument, that OL picks were becoming more problematic cause of the spread, was met, at the time, with some disdainful resistance. Naw, some people said, that's not true. Now we have stats proving it. Yet, you don;'t need stats proving it. If you just looked you already knew it was true.

BUT even given that, the hit rate on 1st and 2nd round LOTs is still several orders better than the hit rate for LOTs taken in round 3 and after. Looking back at rounds 1 and 2 from 2015-16, there were 21 OTs drafted. Not all ended up playing OT, but the hit rate on the ones who did is around 33%. The hit rate for OTs taken after round 2 is around 7%.

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[Elvis]

[aeneas1]

Team will know whether it has corners or not by draft time.

Again.. I'm saying compete on the right side.
I guess I'm fucking stupid.
Oh, wait..

http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/20 ... right.html

interestingly tho the saints drafted bushrod in the 4th round as depth and he ended up beating out first rounder brown at lt, who was subsequently traded - bushrod went on to get 2 pro bowl nods... and they did it again with armstead, drafted in the 3rd round as depth he ended up taking over for bushrod when charles brown, a 2nd round lt pick by the saints, flamed out after just 1 year as starter... armstead was pff's 3rd highest rated lt in 2015 earning an "elite" grade of +A... anyway, lots of ways to skin a cat.

[dieterbrock]

I haven’t changed a single thing.
I think they need to find a guy who can eventually replace Whit. If they do that with a first rounder, I expect him to be able to compete for a spot on the right side in the meantime & get used to the NFL game.

Sure you’re trying to prove me wrong... that’s why you brought up the bs BPA thing. Whoops!

I brought it up to show where we agree.
You're trying too hard to argue.

We're closer to agreeing than not, if you care to take a deep breath.
I agree that its a combo of needs and BPA, if Sam Darnold is #1 rated player on the board and he slips to #23, I wouldnt want them to take him.
I think there are 2 clear cut OLT in the draft, and if one were to slip, then I could see it.
But this draft does have a couple of stud edge rushers, DT, and CB's that may be available and IMO fill a more immediate need.

[/zn/]

interestingly tho the saints drafted bushrod in the 4th round as depth and he ended up beating out first rounder brown at lt, who was subsequently traded - bushrod went on to get 2 pro bowl nods... and they did it again with armstead, drafted in the 3rd round as depth he ended up taking over for bushrod when charles brown, a 2nd round lt pick by the saints, flamed out after just 1 year as starter... armstead was pff's 3rd highest rated lt in 2015 earning an "elite" grade of +A... anyway, lots of ways to skin a cat.

When I did the numbers from 2006 to 2015 of OTs taken after round 2 who made it in the NFL as left OTs, both Bushrod and Armstead made the cut as being among the few who did.

Out of 122, it's Bushrod, Armstead, Bakhtiari, Veldheer, Beachum, and Dunlap. Here's the list of 122: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... by=default

So as it turns out there are actually very few ways to acquire a left OT in the NFL. You can try drafting one after round 2, but in that decade, the ones who made it were 6 out of 122.

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[/zn/]

https://twitter.com/Rich_Hammond/status/954067166248165376

Just a thought. Is there a chance that gets lost in this particular thread?

How about starting a new and separate "early draft discussions" thread?