[bremillard]

Here’s an idea...

Let’s hear from the anti-Goff brigade after his next 100+ passer rating game/win.

Or do these opinions only formulate and demand airing after a loss?

Carrion...er... I mean carry on!

I give him credit on his good games but I will admit to some bias. When he was given the farm I knew that would lead to this...nowhere to go if he didn't work out. Not his fault, I guess, but it is his doing. He needs clear lanes to throw through and he needs more separation than the better QB's. He flinches when pressured. He's slow of foot and easily sacked because he can't get away. He can't seem to secure the ball when in traffic. When the conditions are correct he can play well but the NFL is on to what undermines his play and he will forever see a steady diet of that kind of defense. This is a case where lighting a fire under him won't help. It's not that he's not trying. It's that he just doesn't have what it takes to be elite and for what he's paid that isn't acceptable. Again...not his fault but it is the problem now.

[max]

I give him credit on his good games but I will admit to some bias. When he was given the farm I knew that would lead to this...nowhere to go if he didn't work out. Not his fault, I guess, but it is his doing. He needs clear lanes to throw through and he needs more separation than the better QB's. He flinches when pressured. He's slow of foot and easily sacked because he can't get away. He can't seem to secure the ball when in traffic. When the conditions are correct he can play well but the NFL is on to what undermines his play and he will forever see a steady diet of that kind of defense. This is a case where lighting a fire under him won't help. It's not that he's not trying. It's that he just doesn't have what it takes to be elite and for what he's paid that isn't acceptable. Again...not his fault but it is the problem now.

Ok. Here's where I differ. I think the Rams can win with Goff. Let's not forget that he just went into Tampa and beat a good defense. He outplayed Brady and Wilson the last 2 games.

There is one critical problem. Turnovers. If Goff can solve his turnover problem, we are all set.

McVay can help him but it's on Jared to step up and gut it out and fix it.

[moklerman]

Sure Goff got sacked less but the rushing numbers took a serious nosedive.

True, but the argument was that the line was so damaged in '19 that Goff's, or any QB's numbers would HAVE to suffer. I don't think the numbers support that idea.

[PARAM]

True, but the argument was that the line was so damaged in '19 that Goff's, or any QB's numbers would HAVE to suffer. I don't think the numbers support that idea.

So you don't think any other QB would have their numbers suffer because the OL wasn't as good, evidenced by the ypc drop of almost 25%? Okay, I kinda figured you wouldn't.

How about this one?
vs Blitz

2018: 90 of 142 (63.4%) 1284 yds (9.04 yds/att) 7 TD 2 INT (103.1 QB rating)
2019: 110 of 213 (55.9%) 1446 yds (6.79 yds/att) 10 TD 8 INT (76.9 QB Rating)

What, he lost his abilities vs the blitz? Or the OL didn't do a good job vs the blitz? He was blitzed 50% more in 2019 than in 2018. Why? Because in 2018, his line was great and he burned defenses. Just the opposite in 2019. So they can't run and they can't pick up the blitz effectively but Goff's numbers shouldn't decline? Brady under pressure with an average OL or Rodgers under pressure with an average OL don't have their numbers decline?

Rodgers in 2014 - 2015 saw his overall QB rating drop 19.5 pts. Difference?

OL 2014 Baktiari 16, Sitton 16, Lindsay 16, Lang 16, Bulaga 15
OL 2015 Baktiari 14, Sitton 16, Lindsay 13, Lang 15, Bulagea 12

Small difference in starts/ continuity, big difference in QB rating. That's with the SAME 5 guys just missing a few starts each. Not 3 new guys and then 3 more new guys out of 5. It's also for a QB with 11 years in the league and 8 years as a starter vs a QB with 4 years in and 3.5 years starting.

But I don't expect you to "get it" with those examples. You either don't like Goff or you don't like fans who like Goff. Or both. That's not just my opinion. That's well known.

[Elvis]

McVay on benching Goff:

“If I thought it was going to be the best thing to just take a deep breath and step away, then I’d say, maybe,” McVay said. “But not in either of those situations, because both of those reflected kind of having an opportunity where there was enough plays made to get back in it. The Dolphins game, maybe a little bit different, but I thought it was important to be able to play through some of those things, learn from it, especially just based on some of the things that they were activating defensively.

“Yesterday, each of those situations that occurred that that ended up hurting us, were kind of different in their own right. All of them happened to be versus a man-coverage type of situation, the three turnovers that he had. Really for us, we got back in that game where we had a good little bit of momentum on that drive, that you get the big play to [receiver] Cooper [Kupp], then you end up hitting [receiver] Josh Reynolds and then we just kind of missed hitting a touchdown to [running back] Darrell Henderson which ended up getting it to 17-6. Then Aaron [Donald] does an unbelievable job of forcing the fumble [which resulted in a touchdown] and then the next thing you know, the next drive you get, that’s where you see [running back] Cam [Akers] break a 61-yarder and he has a tough, hard red-zone run that two plays later, you punch it in and then you’re looking up and you’re winning the game.

“Yesterday that was never part of the consideration nor was it really for Miami, to answer your question.”

[CanuckRightWinger]

Holy Moley!!

PA defended Kromer's OL tooth & nail last season, whilst I maintained that Kromer was fireable for his grossly erroneous assessment of yutes OC Brian Allen and LG Joe Noteboom being NFL ready.....even sparing the 2 Ram greenhorns 2019 PreSeason Game reps!

Moreover, on the subject of YPC in the Rams 2019 run game, Pennsylvania and I went hammer & tong on the 2019 season Rams finale vs Zona, where PA's "late season vastly improving Rams yutes OLine" rang up an anemic 3 yds/carry average versus the 2019 Cards whose D finished the season as 32nd in First Downs surrendered, and 32nd in Total Yards Surrendered.

Today, in his stalwart defense of Jared WrongWayCorrigan Goff, PA acknowledges that "YPC WERE DOWN 25%" ....and....
"THE OL WASN'T AS GOOD" for Goff to be able to succeed in 2019!!!

ME: Praise Jesus! It's a miracle! THE SCALES HAVE FALLEN FROM PA's EYES!!!

You know......if his vision keeps up this pace of improvement, by next season PA could replace me as Head Commissioner In Charge Of Kvetching!!!

j/k old friend.
....and again, Don't call me Shirley!!!

++++++++++++++++++++

Seriously though, we are joined-at-the-hip with Goff until like 2024 or something.....so he ain't goin' anywhere sportsfans!! Yet the 26 year old multo-gazzillionaire has the 2nd most turnovers (62) TO JAMEIS FOOKING WINSTON (70) since 2017-today!!!

GOFF NEEDS TO CLEAN THAT UP ASAP!!!!

That girlee-man (can we still say that, or is it a HateCrime? ) fumble on his "scramble" was basic PopsWarner cover-up the ball stuff!!

I still say Goff is short on the Sense Of Urgency/Leadership stuff. Looks aloof to me.....especially immediately after his on field fook-ups.
I acknowledge that other Ram fans disagree, but Goff is too dismissive of his own errors. That postgame presser shyte about "I will improve" is weak, lame, and old. I am glad McVay has stopped coddling him from the Podium after Ram losses and has now thrown Goff under the bus vis a vis his TOO MANY TURNOVERS!!!!

MAYBE NOW, THE PENNY DROPS FOR MR. GOFF!

We shall see.

[Elvis]

Since I'm still on the "practice squad" I was hesitant to sound that negative but you are absolutely correct.

Ha! The only way to move up the ranks is to post more...

[AvengerRam]

Some of these "since 2017" stats are a bit misleading. Goff, by virtue of starting almost every game, is 4th in passing attempts since 2017. So, not surprisingly, he has a relatively large number of total turnovers.

His interception percentage, on the other hand, is not as bad. The following QBs have a higher %: Jameis Winston, Baker Mayfield, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Josh Allen, Philip Rivers and Mitch Trubisky. He's tied with Deshaun Watson, and only .1% worse than Ben Roethlisberger, Ryan Tannehill and Kirk Cousins.

Over that same span, here's how Goff ranks in some positive stats:

Completions: 4th
Yards: 4th
Yards/Game: 4th
Yards/Attempt: 7th
Touchdowns: 4th
Wins: 2nd

So... you take the good, you take the bad, you take them both, and there you have... the facts of Goff.

[Elvis]

I would just point out Goff/McVay are 40-19, have made the playoff 2/3 years, are on track for 3/4, have had a winning record every year and have made a SB appearance.

I'm not nearly as definitively negative as most...

[moklerman]

But I don't expect you to "get it" with those examples. You either don't like Goff or you don't like fans who like Goff. Or both. That's not just my opinion. That's well known.

<sigh>Not sure why you have to go on the attack like that. I'm fully willing to listen to empirical evidence. ZN didn't provide any. You offer that the rushing YPA as evidence of the line being worse, which I agree is suggestive but not necessarily definitive. We don't have the same RB in each year to compare so it's possible that the YPA dropoff has something to do with who was running the ball.

But you also offer blitz %. In '19, teams blitzed the Rams a lot more but their sack % went significantly down. That doesn't show to me that they were so bad at pass blocking that a QB's numbers would have to go down. <shrug>