[Hacksaw]

C'mon. It's getting chilly in here. We don't want to go off again.

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ok... went back a few pages and probably got more info then i needed...

goff is NOT a top 10 QB... he's top 5..

period

go rams

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It will be interesting to see how he ranks after Chicago, but then also after the last 3 games too.

My take is that he's just young enough that he can stumble a bit when facing challenging or new defensive looks from D coordinators who are good enough and/or have enough to work with to throw him off.

But then that was even true of a guy like Dree Brees, who had a few "off" games in his big break out year in 2004 (his 4th year). In his 5 "off" games that year he averaged a qb rating of 63.8 (his overall for the year was 104.8, which ranked 3rd in the league). His 3 worst games that year were against top 10 defenses and in those 3 games he averaged a qb rating of 51.0. And that's in a year with 5 games where he gets a qb rating of 125 or higher.

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It will be interesting to see how he ranks after Chicago, but then also after the last 3 games too.

My take is that he's just young enough that he can stumble a bit when facing challenging or new defensive looks from D coordinators who are good enough and/or have enough to work with to throw him off.

But then that was even true of a guy like Dree Brees, who had a few "off" games in his big break out year in 2004 (his 4th year). In his 5 "off" games that year he averaged a qb rating of 63.8 (his overall for the year was 104.8, which ranked 3rd in the league). His 3 worst games that year were against top 10 defenses and in those 3 games he averaged a qb rating of 51.0. And that's in a year with 5 games where he gets a qb rating of 125 or higher.

Goff went to Seattle and put up a rating of 88.2 there. Not a bad game, 2 picks didn’t help. The following week he went to Denver and put up a rating of 58.8. He was bad in that game.

Last week he put up a rating of 68.6 in Detroit. If he puts up a stinker in Chicago, I think it’s fair to say he’s still stumbling against good defenses on the road.

So yeah, it will be interesting to read the comments after the Chicago game.

[aeneas1]

Goff went to Seattle and put up a rating of 88.2 there. Not a bad game, 2 picks didn’t help... If he puts up a stinker in Chicago, I think it’s fair to say he’s still stumbling against good defenses on the road.

@ seattle goff threw for 300+ yards, completed 72% of his passes, averaged 10.8 yards per pass attempt, led the rams to inside the seahawks 10 yard line on a whopping 60% of the rams drives, led the rams to a 4th quarter come from behind win, and led the rams to 33 offensive points on the day... if not for a throwaway hail mary at the end of first half that was picked, goff would have finished with a 101.2 qb rating. against the currently 9th ranked defense in offensive points allowed. on the road.

we definitely have a different understanding of the word "stumbling".

[AvengerRam]

@ seattle goff threw for 300+ yards, completed 72% of his passes, averaged 10.8 yards per pass attempt, led the rams to inside the seahawks 10 yard line on a whopping 60% of the rams drives, led the rams to a 4th quarter come from behind win, and led the rams to 33 offensive points on the day... if not for a throwaway hail mary at the end of first half that was picked, goff would have finished with a 101.2 qb rating. against the currently 9th ranked defense in offensive points allowed. on the road.

we definitely have a different understanding of the word "stumbling".

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@ seattle goff threw for 300+ yards, completed 72% of his passes, averaged 10.8 yards per pass attempt, led the rams to inside the seahawks 10 yard line on a whopping 60% of the rams drives, led the rams to a 4th quarter come from behind win, and led the rams offense to 33 offensive points on the day... if not for a throwaway hail mary at the end of first half that was picked, goff would have finished with a 101.2 qb rating. against the currently 9th ranked defense in offensive points allowed. on the road.

we definitely have a different understanding of the word "stumbling".

I don't think he had a great game in Seattle. I said it wasn't bad. The stumbling occurred in Denver. Or maybe you are creative enough to paint a wonderful picture of his performance in Denver. I think you can do it.

Last week he stumbled again in Detroit. Or maybe you can come up with something good for that game too.

Now he goes to Chicago. The Bears will be looking to take the ball away from Goff. Thats the key to their winning the game.

If he plays as poorly as he did in Detroit, the Bears will take the ball away and score.

I think it's reasonable, based on his performances in Denver and Detroit, that Goff may have a bad game in Chicago. That's what I'm saying.

But it sounds to me like either you don't see that happening or if it does it won't be because he played poorly or some such nonsense.

[aeneas1]

I don't think he had a great game in Seattle. I said it wasn't bad.

you were clear.

personally i'm really looking forward to seeing what wentz does against dallas next week, should tell us a lot. not.

[AvengerRam]

I don't think he had a great game in Seattle. I said it wasn't bad. The stumbling occurred in Denver. Or maybe you are creative enough to paint a wonderful picture of his performance in Denver. I think you can do it.

Last week he stumbled again in Detroit. Or maybe you can come up with something good for that game too.

Now he goes to Chicago. The Bears will be looking to take the ball away from Goff. Thats the key to their winning the game.

If he plays as poorly as he did in Detroit, the Bears will take the ball away and score.

I think it's reasonable, based on his performances in Denver and Detroit, that Goff may have a bad game in Chicago. That's what I'm saying.

But it sounds to me like either you don't see that happening or if it does it won't be because he played poorly or some such nonsense.

I think it comes down to this:

Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

Anyone who has ever invested money in the stock market is familiar with this disclaimer, but it applies to sports too.

Just as in the stock market, we look at past performance in an effort to prognosticate future results, knowing full well that its not an exact science.

In the case of Goff, the real question is whether there is enough past performance to warrant strong predictions about future results. On that point, we can all agree or disagree, and time will tell.

As for this Sunday's game, I think part of the impetus is on McVay and his play calling. I'm betting he's studying the way the Patriots approached the Bears defense in particular (and, perhaps, the Dolphins game as well) and is hopefully finding the weak spots that Goff can exploit.

Hopefully, for those concerned about another Denver-like game, Goff will check another box this Sunday with a great performance and, of course, a win.

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I think it comes down to this:

Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.

Anyone who has ever invested money in the stock market is familiar with this disclaimer, but it applies to sports too.

Just as in the stock market, we look at past performance in an effort to prognosticate future results, knowing full well that its not an exact science.

In the case of Goff, the real question is whether there is enough past performance to warrant strong predictions about future results. On that point, we can all agree or disagree, and time will tell.

As for this Sunday's game, I think part of the impetus is on McVay and his play calling. I'm betting he's studying the way the Patriots approached the Bears defense in particular (and, perhaps, the Dolphins game as well) and is hopefully finding the weak spots that Goff can exploit.

Hopefully, for those concerned about another Denver-like game, Goff will check another box this Sunday with a great performance and, of course, a win.

Football is not The stock market.

Trends and patterns are a lot more significant in football.

And I’m not saying a trend or pattern exists for sure at this point. I’m saying I’m looking for one. I want to see Goff play well in Chicago to show those patterns don’t exist.

[AvengerRam]

Football is not The stock market.

Trends and patterns are a lot more significant in football.

Except when they're not.

What trends and patterns would have predicted Goff's improvement from 2016 to 2017?

What trends and patterns would have predicted that Kurt Warner would have sustained his elite performance level after his first 2-3 games?

What trends and patterns would have predicted Gurley's fall in 2016 and rise in 2017?

As I said... both are inexact sciences, at best.

And I’m not saying a trend or pattern exists for sure at this point. I’m saying I’m looking for one. I want to see Goff play well in Chicago to show those patterns don’t exist.

And for that, nobody faults you.