by aeneas1 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 16894 Joined: Sep 13 2015 Norcal Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #111 Dick84 wrote:Signing Fowler and Littleton to the deals that they received could have cost you two of those players.which is why i've always questioned the notion of "building through the draft" in this era of nfl football.. if your rookie outperforms his rookie deal then you're looking at trying to lock him up after just 3 years, before you get to the fourth, often at big free agent contract money, i mean look at littleton... i suppose the idea is to get cheap labor out of a stud or superstar for a few years and then decide if you want to pay fair market value for his services, like the chiefs have done with mahomes, but some seem to act like if you draft well then you get keep all of those guys, you've built through the draft, without mentioning the arm and a leg it's going to cost to keep them if they pan out. by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #112 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:I disagree, completely, with this assessment. Cutting Cooks and Gurley didn't cost them Fowler and Littleton. Again... MMQB on injuries is the thought process that leads to this.But that isn't what I said.Why are you just focusing on the back end of things, though? Had they approached all of these contracts in a more traditional way, it's hard to say who might have been retained. We'd have to guess whether or not they wanted to actually retain those guys but Saffold, Littleton or Fowler might have remained if so much money wasn't tied up in contracts that weren't necessarily due. by PARAM 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 13215 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #113 moklerman wrote:But that isn't what I said.Why are you just focusing on the back end of things, though? Had they approached all of these contracts in a more traditional way, it's hard to say who might have been retained. We'd have to guess whether or not they wanted to actually retain those guys but Saffold, Littleton or Fowler might have remained if so much money wasn't tied up in contracts that weren't necessarily due.And so had they not done the contracts early but instead used that money to sign Saffold and/or Fowler and/or Littleton, you're saying they could have given Goff and Gurley acceptable contracts? Show me the math that you used to arrive there. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #114 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:And so had they not done the contracts early but instead used that money to sign Saffold and/or Fowler and/or Littleton, you're saying they could have given Goff and Gurley acceptable contracts? Show me the math that you used to arrive there.Had they not signed Goff, Gurley and Cooks early, they would have had the money to sign Saffold(if they wanted). Had they not signed all three of them early, they would have been facing their next contracts with more information and still could have signed Goff and moved on from Gurley and Cooks and we wouldn't be so much over the cap now. by PARAM 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 13215 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #115 moklerman wrote:Had they not signed Goff, Gurley and Cooks early, they would have had the money to sign Saffold(if they wanted). Had they not signed all three of them early, they would have been facing their next contracts with more information and still could have signed Goff and moved on from Gurley and Cooks and we wouldn't be so much over the cap now.I think you're over estimating the power of "more imformation". What good is the info if you dont have the money. Saffold 4 yr / 44 mil / 11 mil per yearLittleton 3 yr / 35 mi / 12 mil perFowler 3 yr / 45 mil / 15 mil perHow much left for Goff, Gurley and Cooks? Oh right, we're talking hindsight here. We wouldn't have signed Gurley and Cooks. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #116 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:I think you're over estimating the power of "more imformation". What good is the info if you dont have the money. Saffold 4 yr / 44 mil / 11 mil per yearLittleton 3 yr / 35 mi / 12 mil perFowler 3 yr / 45 mil / 15 mil perHow much left for Goff, Gurley and Cooks? Oh right, we're talking hindsight here. We wouldn't have signed Gurley and Cooks. Well no, we wouldn't have signed them. Maybe they would have all held out and caused problems but assuming the played out the contracts they were under, the Rams would have been in a much better position on who to keep and who to not keep. Wouldn't you say that it became pretty clear? I know I'd rather be sitting here talking about the Rams still having Saffold, Littleton and Fowler and how it became obvious that Gurley and Cooks didn't warrant re-signing. by /zn/ 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 6940 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #117 PARAM wrote:And so had they not done the contracts early but instead used that money to sign Saffold and/or Fowler and/or Littleton, you're saying they could have given Goff and Gurley acceptable contracts? Show me the math that you used to arrive there.Gurley's and Goff's contracts are 2 different animals. Gurley's contract was an exception and was supposed to be like Donald's. That is Donald did not get paid as a DT, he got paid as a "best defender." At the time Gurley signed, he was supposed to be at the forefront of a new "superback" 2nd contract category that included big RBs who could both run and catch. There were a couple of others that were supposed to fit that too, but it fell apart for all of them, not just Gurley. Goff on the other hand got a standard issue 2nd contract for a starting qb. That amount goes up annually. Waiting would have just meant the contract would have been more. There is not a lot of variation for those. If you are considered a starter as a qb, you get the going 2nd contract amount the year you come up. With qbs, the alternative is basically not to sign the guy and start over at qb. Though there are some qbs who did not get starter's 2nd contracts for any number of reasons (including injury). If they weren't injured but got a lower amount, that meant they were basically on probation. And some were just plain allowed to walk and ended up taking back-up money. Those kinds of "not a starter" situations is what happened with Tannenhill, Bortles, Griffen, Bridgewater, Ponder, Gabbert, Locker, Weedon, Manual, and Manziel.One slump year by Goff would not have meant he ended up in the same category as guys like Bortles or Weedon. If nothing else he believes in himself and rightly so, and so would not have signed a lower deal. That means, as I said, if they didn't sign him the year they did, he would have just cost more. He would have just gotten the 2nd contract amount for a starting qb and that goes up every year. ... by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #118 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:And if Cooks and Gurley hadn't have had injury issues.. we'd be talking about how they fucked up and can't keep their stars. You. Can't. Keep. Everyone.No one ever said otherwise but you don't have to re-sign guys early and the Rams are a perfect example of why.I think the risk of a guy performing so well that he costs more in FA is a better one than extending guys who are under contract and team control for a year or two or more. by CanuckRightWinger 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2777 Joined: Jan 13 2016 VANCOUVER, BC Superstar The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #119 There's a new shrillness in the air here.Seriously, posters here are projecting ever more what a guy means by his words.Case in point, my reference to Los Ramos having no money to sign any FAs (maybe even FAs were have already "signed" like that Floyd guy) now means I have "no hope" for Rams success in the 2020 season. FACT: I have been pulling for the Rams since 1967....that's heading into a 53rd season of PreSeason Rams HOPE! Same, same when I went after Kromer a couple months ago....at that time I was also projected to be anti-McVay. FACT: Guys in general greatly resent having words being put into their mouths. .....but that's not the worst! Now, apparently those who point to our 32nd worst Salary Cap position are "Lost in the moment." What absolute tripe! I will just state that I don't think that any history is lost on me. IE. history tells us that you cannot trade up to get a Goff, if you don't have the Draft Picks ammunition.....and you cannot sign FAs if you don't have the money. Pretty simple shit there sportsfans!Also, regarding Rams history "before this LostInTheMoment moment" ......um, who here makes more historical Ram references to George Allen, Tommy Prothro et al eras and other Ram historical games & situations?? Who here has even typed Tony Guillory or Myron Pottios in their posts? Yet...I am "lost in the moment"?? Newsflash: This current Rams 2020 Salary Cap situation will be "history" itself at some point. Some of us are just wondering today what consequences it might have, intended or unintended, for future Rams fortunes. .....but according to one, we are LostInTheMoment. Yesterday the same guy said I had "a horrific take" on a situation, and also said I was "lying" when I referred to one of his past pulp-filled posts. Offensive stuff to be sure.......but not when you consider the source IMO.Here's another historical, OutOfTheMoment reference from me: Scarlett O'Hara. Why bring her up you ask? Because Tara's princess has nothing on RFU's DramaQueenOfTheMoment! Nota Bene: Ram Stalk had drama queens ILoveKurt, HomerInSeattle et al. They caused an exodus of alot of good posters.....many of them here at RFU now.It's about quality control! by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #120 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Dude, be a man, have a direct conversation.Coming from the guy who refuses to comment on his observation. Reply 12 / 14 1 12 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 134 posts Jul 04 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #112 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:I disagree, completely, with this assessment. Cutting Cooks and Gurley didn't cost them Fowler and Littleton. Again... MMQB on injuries is the thought process that leads to this.But that isn't what I said.Why are you just focusing on the back end of things, though? Had they approached all of these contracts in a more traditional way, it's hard to say who might have been retained. We'd have to guess whether or not they wanted to actually retain those guys but Saffold, Littleton or Fowler might have remained if so much money wasn't tied up in contracts that weren't necessarily due. by PARAM 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 13215 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #113 moklerman wrote:But that isn't what I said.Why are you just focusing on the back end of things, though? Had they approached all of these contracts in a more traditional way, it's hard to say who might have been retained. We'd have to guess whether or not they wanted to actually retain those guys but Saffold, Littleton or Fowler might have remained if so much money wasn't tied up in contracts that weren't necessarily due.And so had they not done the contracts early but instead used that money to sign Saffold and/or Fowler and/or Littleton, you're saying they could have given Goff and Gurley acceptable contracts? Show me the math that you used to arrive there. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #114 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:And so had they not done the contracts early but instead used that money to sign Saffold and/or Fowler and/or Littleton, you're saying they could have given Goff and Gurley acceptable contracts? Show me the math that you used to arrive there.Had they not signed Goff, Gurley and Cooks early, they would have had the money to sign Saffold(if they wanted). Had they not signed all three of them early, they would have been facing their next contracts with more information and still could have signed Goff and moved on from Gurley and Cooks and we wouldn't be so much over the cap now. by PARAM 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 13215 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #115 moklerman wrote:Had they not signed Goff, Gurley and Cooks early, they would have had the money to sign Saffold(if they wanted). Had they not signed all three of them early, they would have been facing their next contracts with more information and still could have signed Goff and moved on from Gurley and Cooks and we wouldn't be so much over the cap now.I think you're over estimating the power of "more imformation". What good is the info if you dont have the money. Saffold 4 yr / 44 mil / 11 mil per yearLittleton 3 yr / 35 mi / 12 mil perFowler 3 yr / 45 mil / 15 mil perHow much left for Goff, Gurley and Cooks? Oh right, we're talking hindsight here. We wouldn't have signed Gurley and Cooks. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #116 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:I think you're over estimating the power of "more imformation". What good is the info if you dont have the money. Saffold 4 yr / 44 mil / 11 mil per yearLittleton 3 yr / 35 mi / 12 mil perFowler 3 yr / 45 mil / 15 mil perHow much left for Goff, Gurley and Cooks? Oh right, we're talking hindsight here. We wouldn't have signed Gurley and Cooks. Well no, we wouldn't have signed them. Maybe they would have all held out and caused problems but assuming the played out the contracts they were under, the Rams would have been in a much better position on who to keep and who to not keep. Wouldn't you say that it became pretty clear? I know I'd rather be sitting here talking about the Rams still having Saffold, Littleton and Fowler and how it became obvious that Gurley and Cooks didn't warrant re-signing. by /zn/ 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 6940 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #117 PARAM wrote:And so had they not done the contracts early but instead used that money to sign Saffold and/or Fowler and/or Littleton, you're saying they could have given Goff and Gurley acceptable contracts? Show me the math that you used to arrive there.Gurley's and Goff's contracts are 2 different animals. Gurley's contract was an exception and was supposed to be like Donald's. That is Donald did not get paid as a DT, he got paid as a "best defender." At the time Gurley signed, he was supposed to be at the forefront of a new "superback" 2nd contract category that included big RBs who could both run and catch. There were a couple of others that were supposed to fit that too, but it fell apart for all of them, not just Gurley. Goff on the other hand got a standard issue 2nd contract for a starting qb. That amount goes up annually. Waiting would have just meant the contract would have been more. There is not a lot of variation for those. If you are considered a starter as a qb, you get the going 2nd contract amount the year you come up. With qbs, the alternative is basically not to sign the guy and start over at qb. Though there are some qbs who did not get starter's 2nd contracts for any number of reasons (including injury). If they weren't injured but got a lower amount, that meant they were basically on probation. And some were just plain allowed to walk and ended up taking back-up money. Those kinds of "not a starter" situations is what happened with Tannenhill, Bortles, Griffen, Bridgewater, Ponder, Gabbert, Locker, Weedon, Manual, and Manziel.One slump year by Goff would not have meant he ended up in the same category as guys like Bortles or Weedon. If nothing else he believes in himself and rightly so, and so would not have signed a lower deal. That means, as I said, if they didn't sign him the year they did, he would have just cost more. He would have just gotten the 2nd contract amount for a starting qb and that goes up every year. ... by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #118 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:And if Cooks and Gurley hadn't have had injury issues.. we'd be talking about how they fucked up and can't keep their stars. You. Can't. Keep. Everyone.No one ever said otherwise but you don't have to re-sign guys early and the Rams are a perfect example of why.I think the risk of a guy performing so well that he costs more in FA is a better one than extending guys who are under contract and team control for a year or two or more. by CanuckRightWinger 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2777 Joined: Jan 13 2016 VANCOUVER, BC Superstar The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #119 There's a new shrillness in the air here.Seriously, posters here are projecting ever more what a guy means by his words.Case in point, my reference to Los Ramos having no money to sign any FAs (maybe even FAs were have already "signed" like that Floyd guy) now means I have "no hope" for Rams success in the 2020 season. FACT: I have been pulling for the Rams since 1967....that's heading into a 53rd season of PreSeason Rams HOPE! Same, same when I went after Kromer a couple months ago....at that time I was also projected to be anti-McVay. FACT: Guys in general greatly resent having words being put into their mouths. .....but that's not the worst! Now, apparently those who point to our 32nd worst Salary Cap position are "Lost in the moment." What absolute tripe! I will just state that I don't think that any history is lost on me. IE. history tells us that you cannot trade up to get a Goff, if you don't have the Draft Picks ammunition.....and you cannot sign FAs if you don't have the money. Pretty simple shit there sportsfans!Also, regarding Rams history "before this LostInTheMoment moment" ......um, who here makes more historical Ram references to George Allen, Tommy Prothro et al eras and other Ram historical games & situations?? Who here has even typed Tony Guillory or Myron Pottios in their posts? Yet...I am "lost in the moment"?? Newsflash: This current Rams 2020 Salary Cap situation will be "history" itself at some point. Some of us are just wondering today what consequences it might have, intended or unintended, for future Rams fortunes. .....but according to one, we are LostInTheMoment. Yesterday the same guy said I had "a horrific take" on a situation, and also said I was "lying" when I referred to one of his past pulp-filled posts. Offensive stuff to be sure.......but not when you consider the source IMO.Here's another historical, OutOfTheMoment reference from me: Scarlett O'Hara. Why bring her up you ask? Because Tara's princess has nothing on RFU's DramaQueenOfTheMoment! Nota Bene: Ram Stalk had drama queens ILoveKurt, HomerInSeattle et al. They caused an exodus of alot of good posters.....many of them here at RFU now.It's about quality control! by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #120 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Dude, be a man, have a direct conversation.Coming from the guy who refuses to comment on his observation. 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by PARAM 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 13215 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #113 moklerman wrote:But that isn't what I said.Why are you just focusing on the back end of things, though? Had they approached all of these contracts in a more traditional way, it's hard to say who might have been retained. We'd have to guess whether or not they wanted to actually retain those guys but Saffold, Littleton or Fowler might have remained if so much money wasn't tied up in contracts that weren't necessarily due.And so had they not done the contracts early but instead used that money to sign Saffold and/or Fowler and/or Littleton, you're saying they could have given Goff and Gurley acceptable contracts? Show me the math that you used to arrive there. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #114 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:And so had they not done the contracts early but instead used that money to sign Saffold and/or Fowler and/or Littleton, you're saying they could have given Goff and Gurley acceptable contracts? Show me the math that you used to arrive there.Had they not signed Goff, Gurley and Cooks early, they would have had the money to sign Saffold(if they wanted). Had they not signed all three of them early, they would have been facing their next contracts with more information and still could have signed Goff and moved on from Gurley and Cooks and we wouldn't be so much over the cap now. by PARAM 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 13215 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #115 moklerman wrote:Had they not signed Goff, Gurley and Cooks early, they would have had the money to sign Saffold(if they wanted). Had they not signed all three of them early, they would have been facing their next contracts with more information and still could have signed Goff and moved on from Gurley and Cooks and we wouldn't be so much over the cap now.I think you're over estimating the power of "more imformation". What good is the info if you dont have the money. Saffold 4 yr / 44 mil / 11 mil per yearLittleton 3 yr / 35 mi / 12 mil perFowler 3 yr / 45 mil / 15 mil perHow much left for Goff, Gurley and Cooks? Oh right, we're talking hindsight here. We wouldn't have signed Gurley and Cooks. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #116 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:I think you're over estimating the power of "more imformation". What good is the info if you dont have the money. Saffold 4 yr / 44 mil / 11 mil per yearLittleton 3 yr / 35 mi / 12 mil perFowler 3 yr / 45 mil / 15 mil perHow much left for Goff, Gurley and Cooks? Oh right, we're talking hindsight here. We wouldn't have signed Gurley and Cooks. Well no, we wouldn't have signed them. Maybe they would have all held out and caused problems but assuming the played out the contracts they were under, the Rams would have been in a much better position on who to keep and who to not keep. Wouldn't you say that it became pretty clear? I know I'd rather be sitting here talking about the Rams still having Saffold, Littleton and Fowler and how it became obvious that Gurley and Cooks didn't warrant re-signing. by /zn/ 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 6940 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #117 PARAM wrote:And so had they not done the contracts early but instead used that money to sign Saffold and/or Fowler and/or Littleton, you're saying they could have given Goff and Gurley acceptable contracts? Show me the math that you used to arrive there.Gurley's and Goff's contracts are 2 different animals. Gurley's contract was an exception and was supposed to be like Donald's. That is Donald did not get paid as a DT, he got paid as a "best defender." At the time Gurley signed, he was supposed to be at the forefront of a new "superback" 2nd contract category that included big RBs who could both run and catch. There were a couple of others that were supposed to fit that too, but it fell apart for all of them, not just Gurley. Goff on the other hand got a standard issue 2nd contract for a starting qb. That amount goes up annually. Waiting would have just meant the contract would have been more. There is not a lot of variation for those. If you are considered a starter as a qb, you get the going 2nd contract amount the year you come up. With qbs, the alternative is basically not to sign the guy and start over at qb. Though there are some qbs who did not get starter's 2nd contracts for any number of reasons (including injury). If they weren't injured but got a lower amount, that meant they were basically on probation. And some were just plain allowed to walk and ended up taking back-up money. Those kinds of "not a starter" situations is what happened with Tannenhill, Bortles, Griffen, Bridgewater, Ponder, Gabbert, Locker, Weedon, Manual, and Manziel.One slump year by Goff would not have meant he ended up in the same category as guys like Bortles or Weedon. If nothing else he believes in himself and rightly so, and so would not have signed a lower deal. That means, as I said, if they didn't sign him the year they did, he would have just cost more. He would have just gotten the 2nd contract amount for a starting qb and that goes up every year. ... by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #118 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:And if Cooks and Gurley hadn't have had injury issues.. we'd be talking about how they fucked up and can't keep their stars. You. Can't. Keep. Everyone.No one ever said otherwise but you don't have to re-sign guys early and the Rams are a perfect example of why.I think the risk of a guy performing so well that he costs more in FA is a better one than extending guys who are under contract and team control for a year or two or more. by CanuckRightWinger 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2777 Joined: Jan 13 2016 VANCOUVER, BC Superstar The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #119 There's a new shrillness in the air here.Seriously, posters here are projecting ever more what a guy means by his words.Case in point, my reference to Los Ramos having no money to sign any FAs (maybe even FAs were have already "signed" like that Floyd guy) now means I have "no hope" for Rams success in the 2020 season. FACT: I have been pulling for the Rams since 1967....that's heading into a 53rd season of PreSeason Rams HOPE! Same, same when I went after Kromer a couple months ago....at that time I was also projected to be anti-McVay. FACT: Guys in general greatly resent having words being put into their mouths. .....but that's not the worst! Now, apparently those who point to our 32nd worst Salary Cap position are "Lost in the moment." What absolute tripe! I will just state that I don't think that any history is lost on me. IE. history tells us that you cannot trade up to get a Goff, if you don't have the Draft Picks ammunition.....and you cannot sign FAs if you don't have the money. Pretty simple shit there sportsfans!Also, regarding Rams history "before this LostInTheMoment moment" ......um, who here makes more historical Ram references to George Allen, Tommy Prothro et al eras and other Ram historical games & situations?? Who here has even typed Tony Guillory or Myron Pottios in their posts? Yet...I am "lost in the moment"?? Newsflash: This current Rams 2020 Salary Cap situation will be "history" itself at some point. Some of us are just wondering today what consequences it might have, intended or unintended, for future Rams fortunes. .....but according to one, we are LostInTheMoment. Yesterday the same guy said I had "a horrific take" on a situation, and also said I was "lying" when I referred to one of his past pulp-filled posts. Offensive stuff to be sure.......but not when you consider the source IMO.Here's another historical, OutOfTheMoment reference from me: Scarlett O'Hara. Why bring her up you ask? Because Tara's princess has nothing on RFU's DramaQueenOfTheMoment! Nota Bene: Ram Stalk had drama queens ILoveKurt, HomerInSeattle et al. They caused an exodus of alot of good posters.....many of them here at RFU now.It's about quality control! by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #120 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Dude, be a man, have a direct conversation.Coming from the guy who refuses to comment on his observation. Reply 12 / 14 1 12 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 134 posts Jul 04 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #114 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:And so had they not done the contracts early but instead used that money to sign Saffold and/or Fowler and/or Littleton, you're saying they could have given Goff and Gurley acceptable contracts? Show me the math that you used to arrive there.Had they not signed Goff, Gurley and Cooks early, they would have had the money to sign Saffold(if they wanted). Had they not signed all three of them early, they would have been facing their next contracts with more information and still could have signed Goff and moved on from Gurley and Cooks and we wouldn't be so much over the cap now. by PARAM 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 13215 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #115 moklerman wrote:Had they not signed Goff, Gurley and Cooks early, they would have had the money to sign Saffold(if they wanted). Had they not signed all three of them early, they would have been facing their next contracts with more information and still could have signed Goff and moved on from Gurley and Cooks and we wouldn't be so much over the cap now.I think you're over estimating the power of "more imformation". What good is the info if you dont have the money. Saffold 4 yr / 44 mil / 11 mil per yearLittleton 3 yr / 35 mi / 12 mil perFowler 3 yr / 45 mil / 15 mil perHow much left for Goff, Gurley and Cooks? Oh right, we're talking hindsight here. We wouldn't have signed Gurley and Cooks. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #116 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:I think you're over estimating the power of "more imformation". What good is the info if you dont have the money. Saffold 4 yr / 44 mil / 11 mil per yearLittleton 3 yr / 35 mi / 12 mil perFowler 3 yr / 45 mil / 15 mil perHow much left for Goff, Gurley and Cooks? Oh right, we're talking hindsight here. We wouldn't have signed Gurley and Cooks. Well no, we wouldn't have signed them. Maybe they would have all held out and caused problems but assuming the played out the contracts they were under, the Rams would have been in a much better position on who to keep and who to not keep. Wouldn't you say that it became pretty clear? I know I'd rather be sitting here talking about the Rams still having Saffold, Littleton and Fowler and how it became obvious that Gurley and Cooks didn't warrant re-signing. by /zn/ 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 6940 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #117 PARAM wrote:And so had they not done the contracts early but instead used that money to sign Saffold and/or Fowler and/or Littleton, you're saying they could have given Goff and Gurley acceptable contracts? Show me the math that you used to arrive there.Gurley's and Goff's contracts are 2 different animals. Gurley's contract was an exception and was supposed to be like Donald's. That is Donald did not get paid as a DT, he got paid as a "best defender." At the time Gurley signed, he was supposed to be at the forefront of a new "superback" 2nd contract category that included big RBs who could both run and catch. There were a couple of others that were supposed to fit that too, but it fell apart for all of them, not just Gurley. Goff on the other hand got a standard issue 2nd contract for a starting qb. That amount goes up annually. Waiting would have just meant the contract would have been more. There is not a lot of variation for those. If you are considered a starter as a qb, you get the going 2nd contract amount the year you come up. With qbs, the alternative is basically not to sign the guy and start over at qb. Though there are some qbs who did not get starter's 2nd contracts for any number of reasons (including injury). If they weren't injured but got a lower amount, that meant they were basically on probation. And some were just plain allowed to walk and ended up taking back-up money. Those kinds of "not a starter" situations is what happened with Tannenhill, Bortles, Griffen, Bridgewater, Ponder, Gabbert, Locker, Weedon, Manual, and Manziel.One slump year by Goff would not have meant he ended up in the same category as guys like Bortles or Weedon. If nothing else he believes in himself and rightly so, and so would not have signed a lower deal. That means, as I said, if they didn't sign him the year they did, he would have just cost more. He would have just gotten the 2nd contract amount for a starting qb and that goes up every year. ... by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #118 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:And if Cooks and Gurley hadn't have had injury issues.. we'd be talking about how they fucked up and can't keep their stars. You. Can't. Keep. Everyone.No one ever said otherwise but you don't have to re-sign guys early and the Rams are a perfect example of why.I think the risk of a guy performing so well that he costs more in FA is a better one than extending guys who are under contract and team control for a year or two or more. by CanuckRightWinger 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2777 Joined: Jan 13 2016 VANCOUVER, BC Superstar The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #119 There's a new shrillness in the air here.Seriously, posters here are projecting ever more what a guy means by his words.Case in point, my reference to Los Ramos having no money to sign any FAs (maybe even FAs were have already "signed" like that Floyd guy) now means I have "no hope" for Rams success in the 2020 season. FACT: I have been pulling for the Rams since 1967....that's heading into a 53rd season of PreSeason Rams HOPE! Same, same when I went after Kromer a couple months ago....at that time I was also projected to be anti-McVay. FACT: Guys in general greatly resent having words being put into their mouths. .....but that's not the worst! Now, apparently those who point to our 32nd worst Salary Cap position are "Lost in the moment." What absolute tripe! I will just state that I don't think that any history is lost on me. IE. history tells us that you cannot trade up to get a Goff, if you don't have the Draft Picks ammunition.....and you cannot sign FAs if you don't have the money. Pretty simple shit there sportsfans!Also, regarding Rams history "before this LostInTheMoment moment" ......um, who here makes more historical Ram references to George Allen, Tommy Prothro et al eras and other Ram historical games & situations?? Who here has even typed Tony Guillory or Myron Pottios in their posts? Yet...I am "lost in the moment"?? Newsflash: This current Rams 2020 Salary Cap situation will be "history" itself at some point. Some of us are just wondering today what consequences it might have, intended or unintended, for future Rams fortunes. .....but according to one, we are LostInTheMoment. Yesterday the same guy said I had "a horrific take" on a situation, and also said I was "lying" when I referred to one of his past pulp-filled posts. Offensive stuff to be sure.......but not when you consider the source IMO.Here's another historical, OutOfTheMoment reference from me: Scarlett O'Hara. Why bring her up you ask? Because Tara's princess has nothing on RFU's DramaQueenOfTheMoment! Nota Bene: Ram Stalk had drama queens ILoveKurt, HomerInSeattle et al. They caused an exodus of alot of good posters.....many of them here at RFU now.It's about quality control! by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #120 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Dude, be a man, have a direct conversation.Coming from the guy who refuses to comment on his observation. Reply 12 / 14 1 12 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 134 posts Jul 04 2025 FOLLOW US @RAMSFANSUNITED Who liked this post
by PARAM 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 13215 Joined: Jul 15 2015 Just far enough North of Philadelphia Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #115 moklerman wrote:Had they not signed Goff, Gurley and Cooks early, they would have had the money to sign Saffold(if they wanted). Had they not signed all three of them early, they would have been facing their next contracts with more information and still could have signed Goff and moved on from Gurley and Cooks and we wouldn't be so much over the cap now.I think you're over estimating the power of "more imformation". What good is the info if you dont have the money. Saffold 4 yr / 44 mil / 11 mil per yearLittleton 3 yr / 35 mi / 12 mil perFowler 3 yr / 45 mil / 15 mil perHow much left for Goff, Gurley and Cooks? Oh right, we're talking hindsight here. We wouldn't have signed Gurley and Cooks. Been following the horns since the Coliseum had a Roman playing there. McVay: 77-49, 2 Superbowls, 1 Lombardi............Doubt at your own peril by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #116 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:I think you're over estimating the power of "more imformation". What good is the info if you dont have the money. Saffold 4 yr / 44 mil / 11 mil per yearLittleton 3 yr / 35 mi / 12 mil perFowler 3 yr / 45 mil / 15 mil perHow much left for Goff, Gurley and Cooks? Oh right, we're talking hindsight here. We wouldn't have signed Gurley and Cooks. Well no, we wouldn't have signed them. Maybe they would have all held out and caused problems but assuming the played out the contracts they were under, the Rams would have been in a much better position on who to keep and who to not keep. Wouldn't you say that it became pretty clear? I know I'd rather be sitting here talking about the Rams still having Saffold, Littleton and Fowler and how it became obvious that Gurley and Cooks didn't warrant re-signing. by /zn/ 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 6940 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #117 PARAM wrote:And so had they not done the contracts early but instead used that money to sign Saffold and/or Fowler and/or Littleton, you're saying they could have given Goff and Gurley acceptable contracts? Show me the math that you used to arrive there.Gurley's and Goff's contracts are 2 different animals. Gurley's contract was an exception and was supposed to be like Donald's. That is Donald did not get paid as a DT, he got paid as a "best defender." At the time Gurley signed, he was supposed to be at the forefront of a new "superback" 2nd contract category that included big RBs who could both run and catch. There were a couple of others that were supposed to fit that too, but it fell apart for all of them, not just Gurley. Goff on the other hand got a standard issue 2nd contract for a starting qb. That amount goes up annually. Waiting would have just meant the contract would have been more. There is not a lot of variation for those. If you are considered a starter as a qb, you get the going 2nd contract amount the year you come up. With qbs, the alternative is basically not to sign the guy and start over at qb. Though there are some qbs who did not get starter's 2nd contracts for any number of reasons (including injury). If they weren't injured but got a lower amount, that meant they were basically on probation. And some were just plain allowed to walk and ended up taking back-up money. Those kinds of "not a starter" situations is what happened with Tannenhill, Bortles, Griffen, Bridgewater, Ponder, Gabbert, Locker, Weedon, Manual, and Manziel.One slump year by Goff would not have meant he ended up in the same category as guys like Bortles or Weedon. If nothing else he believes in himself and rightly so, and so would not have signed a lower deal. That means, as I said, if they didn't sign him the year they did, he would have just cost more. He would have just gotten the 2nd contract amount for a starting qb and that goes up every year. ... by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #118 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:And if Cooks and Gurley hadn't have had injury issues.. we'd be talking about how they fucked up and can't keep their stars. You. Can't. Keep. Everyone.No one ever said otherwise but you don't have to re-sign guys early and the Rams are a perfect example of why.I think the risk of a guy performing so well that he costs more in FA is a better one than extending guys who are under contract and team control for a year or two or more. by CanuckRightWinger 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2777 Joined: Jan 13 2016 VANCOUVER, BC Superstar The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #119 There's a new shrillness in the air here.Seriously, posters here are projecting ever more what a guy means by his words.Case in point, my reference to Los Ramos having no money to sign any FAs (maybe even FAs were have already "signed" like that Floyd guy) now means I have "no hope" for Rams success in the 2020 season. FACT: I have been pulling for the Rams since 1967....that's heading into a 53rd season of PreSeason Rams HOPE! Same, same when I went after Kromer a couple months ago....at that time I was also projected to be anti-McVay. FACT: Guys in general greatly resent having words being put into their mouths. .....but that's not the worst! Now, apparently those who point to our 32nd worst Salary Cap position are "Lost in the moment." What absolute tripe! I will just state that I don't think that any history is lost on me. IE. history tells us that you cannot trade up to get a Goff, if you don't have the Draft Picks ammunition.....and you cannot sign FAs if you don't have the money. Pretty simple shit there sportsfans!Also, regarding Rams history "before this LostInTheMoment moment" ......um, who here makes more historical Ram references to George Allen, Tommy Prothro et al eras and other Ram historical games & situations?? Who here has even typed Tony Guillory or Myron Pottios in their posts? Yet...I am "lost in the moment"?? Newsflash: This current Rams 2020 Salary Cap situation will be "history" itself at some point. Some of us are just wondering today what consequences it might have, intended or unintended, for future Rams fortunes. .....but according to one, we are LostInTheMoment. Yesterday the same guy said I had "a horrific take" on a situation, and also said I was "lying" when I referred to one of his past pulp-filled posts. Offensive stuff to be sure.......but not when you consider the source IMO.Here's another historical, OutOfTheMoment reference from me: Scarlett O'Hara. Why bring her up you ask? Because Tara's princess has nothing on RFU's DramaQueenOfTheMoment! Nota Bene: Ram Stalk had drama queens ILoveKurt, HomerInSeattle et al. They caused an exodus of alot of good posters.....many of them here at RFU now.It's about quality control! by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #120 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Dude, be a man, have a direct conversation.Coming from the guy who refuses to comment on his observation. Reply 12 / 14 1 12 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 134 posts Jul 04 2025
by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #116 TOPIC AUTHOR PARAM wrote:I think you're over estimating the power of "more imformation". What good is the info if you dont have the money. Saffold 4 yr / 44 mil / 11 mil per yearLittleton 3 yr / 35 mi / 12 mil perFowler 3 yr / 45 mil / 15 mil perHow much left for Goff, Gurley and Cooks? Oh right, we're talking hindsight here. We wouldn't have signed Gurley and Cooks. Well no, we wouldn't have signed them. Maybe they would have all held out and caused problems but assuming the played out the contracts they were under, the Rams would have been in a much better position on who to keep and who to not keep. Wouldn't you say that it became pretty clear? I know I'd rather be sitting here talking about the Rams still having Saffold, Littleton and Fowler and how it became obvious that Gurley and Cooks didn't warrant re-signing. by /zn/ 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 6940 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #117 PARAM wrote:And so had they not done the contracts early but instead used that money to sign Saffold and/or Fowler and/or Littleton, you're saying they could have given Goff and Gurley acceptable contracts? Show me the math that you used to arrive there.Gurley's and Goff's contracts are 2 different animals. Gurley's contract was an exception and was supposed to be like Donald's. That is Donald did not get paid as a DT, he got paid as a "best defender." At the time Gurley signed, he was supposed to be at the forefront of a new "superback" 2nd contract category that included big RBs who could both run and catch. There were a couple of others that were supposed to fit that too, but it fell apart for all of them, not just Gurley. Goff on the other hand got a standard issue 2nd contract for a starting qb. That amount goes up annually. Waiting would have just meant the contract would have been more. There is not a lot of variation for those. If you are considered a starter as a qb, you get the going 2nd contract amount the year you come up. With qbs, the alternative is basically not to sign the guy and start over at qb. Though there are some qbs who did not get starter's 2nd contracts for any number of reasons (including injury). If they weren't injured but got a lower amount, that meant they were basically on probation. And some were just plain allowed to walk and ended up taking back-up money. Those kinds of "not a starter" situations is what happened with Tannenhill, Bortles, Griffen, Bridgewater, Ponder, Gabbert, Locker, Weedon, Manual, and Manziel.One slump year by Goff would not have meant he ended up in the same category as guys like Bortles or Weedon. If nothing else he believes in himself and rightly so, and so would not have signed a lower deal. That means, as I said, if they didn't sign him the year they did, he would have just cost more. He would have just gotten the 2nd contract amount for a starting qb and that goes up every year. ... by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #118 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:And if Cooks and Gurley hadn't have had injury issues.. we'd be talking about how they fucked up and can't keep their stars. You. Can't. Keep. Everyone.No one ever said otherwise but you don't have to re-sign guys early and the Rams are a perfect example of why.I think the risk of a guy performing so well that he costs more in FA is a better one than extending guys who are under contract and team control for a year or two or more. by CanuckRightWinger 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2777 Joined: Jan 13 2016 VANCOUVER, BC Superstar The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #119 There's a new shrillness in the air here.Seriously, posters here are projecting ever more what a guy means by his words.Case in point, my reference to Los Ramos having no money to sign any FAs (maybe even FAs were have already "signed" like that Floyd guy) now means I have "no hope" for Rams success in the 2020 season. FACT: I have been pulling for the Rams since 1967....that's heading into a 53rd season of PreSeason Rams HOPE! Same, same when I went after Kromer a couple months ago....at that time I was also projected to be anti-McVay. FACT: Guys in general greatly resent having words being put into their mouths. .....but that's not the worst! Now, apparently those who point to our 32nd worst Salary Cap position are "Lost in the moment." What absolute tripe! I will just state that I don't think that any history is lost on me. IE. history tells us that you cannot trade up to get a Goff, if you don't have the Draft Picks ammunition.....and you cannot sign FAs if you don't have the money. Pretty simple shit there sportsfans!Also, regarding Rams history "before this LostInTheMoment moment" ......um, who here makes more historical Ram references to George Allen, Tommy Prothro et al eras and other Ram historical games & situations?? Who here has even typed Tony Guillory or Myron Pottios in their posts? Yet...I am "lost in the moment"?? Newsflash: This current Rams 2020 Salary Cap situation will be "history" itself at some point. Some of us are just wondering today what consequences it might have, intended or unintended, for future Rams fortunes. .....but according to one, we are LostInTheMoment. Yesterday the same guy said I had "a horrific take" on a situation, and also said I was "lying" when I referred to one of his past pulp-filled posts. Offensive stuff to be sure.......but not when you consider the source IMO.Here's another historical, OutOfTheMoment reference from me: Scarlett O'Hara. Why bring her up you ask? Because Tara's princess has nothing on RFU's DramaQueenOfTheMoment! Nota Bene: Ram Stalk had drama queens ILoveKurt, HomerInSeattle et al. They caused an exodus of alot of good posters.....many of them here at RFU now.It's about quality control! by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #120 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Dude, be a man, have a direct conversation.Coming from the guy who refuses to comment on his observation. Reply 12 / 14 1 12 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 134 posts Jul 04 2025
by /zn/ 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 6940 Joined: Jun 28 2015 Maine Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #117 PARAM wrote:And so had they not done the contracts early but instead used that money to sign Saffold and/or Fowler and/or Littleton, you're saying they could have given Goff and Gurley acceptable contracts? Show me the math that you used to arrive there.Gurley's and Goff's contracts are 2 different animals. Gurley's contract was an exception and was supposed to be like Donald's. That is Donald did not get paid as a DT, he got paid as a "best defender." At the time Gurley signed, he was supposed to be at the forefront of a new "superback" 2nd contract category that included big RBs who could both run and catch. There were a couple of others that were supposed to fit that too, but it fell apart for all of them, not just Gurley. Goff on the other hand got a standard issue 2nd contract for a starting qb. That amount goes up annually. Waiting would have just meant the contract would have been more. There is not a lot of variation for those. If you are considered a starter as a qb, you get the going 2nd contract amount the year you come up. With qbs, the alternative is basically not to sign the guy and start over at qb. Though there are some qbs who did not get starter's 2nd contracts for any number of reasons (including injury). If they weren't injured but got a lower amount, that meant they were basically on probation. And some were just plain allowed to walk and ended up taking back-up money. Those kinds of "not a starter" situations is what happened with Tannenhill, Bortles, Griffen, Bridgewater, Ponder, Gabbert, Locker, Weedon, Manual, and Manziel.One slump year by Goff would not have meant he ended up in the same category as guys like Bortles or Weedon. If nothing else he believes in himself and rightly so, and so would not have signed a lower deal. That means, as I said, if they didn't sign him the year they did, he would have just cost more. He would have just gotten the 2nd contract amount for a starting qb and that goes up every year. ... by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #118 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:And if Cooks and Gurley hadn't have had injury issues.. we'd be talking about how they fucked up and can't keep their stars. You. Can't. Keep. Everyone.No one ever said otherwise but you don't have to re-sign guys early and the Rams are a perfect example of why.I think the risk of a guy performing so well that he costs more in FA is a better one than extending guys who are under contract and team control for a year or two or more. by CanuckRightWinger 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2777 Joined: Jan 13 2016 VANCOUVER, BC Superstar The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #119 There's a new shrillness in the air here.Seriously, posters here are projecting ever more what a guy means by his words.Case in point, my reference to Los Ramos having no money to sign any FAs (maybe even FAs were have already "signed" like that Floyd guy) now means I have "no hope" for Rams success in the 2020 season. FACT: I have been pulling for the Rams since 1967....that's heading into a 53rd season of PreSeason Rams HOPE! Same, same when I went after Kromer a couple months ago....at that time I was also projected to be anti-McVay. FACT: Guys in general greatly resent having words being put into their mouths. .....but that's not the worst! Now, apparently those who point to our 32nd worst Salary Cap position are "Lost in the moment." What absolute tripe! I will just state that I don't think that any history is lost on me. IE. history tells us that you cannot trade up to get a Goff, if you don't have the Draft Picks ammunition.....and you cannot sign FAs if you don't have the money. Pretty simple shit there sportsfans!Also, regarding Rams history "before this LostInTheMoment moment" ......um, who here makes more historical Ram references to George Allen, Tommy Prothro et al eras and other Ram historical games & situations?? Who here has even typed Tony Guillory or Myron Pottios in their posts? Yet...I am "lost in the moment"?? Newsflash: This current Rams 2020 Salary Cap situation will be "history" itself at some point. Some of us are just wondering today what consequences it might have, intended or unintended, for future Rams fortunes. .....but according to one, we are LostInTheMoment. Yesterday the same guy said I had "a horrific take" on a situation, and also said I was "lying" when I referred to one of his past pulp-filled posts. Offensive stuff to be sure.......but not when you consider the source IMO.Here's another historical, OutOfTheMoment reference from me: Scarlett O'Hara. Why bring her up you ask? Because Tara's princess has nothing on RFU's DramaQueenOfTheMoment! Nota Bene: Ram Stalk had drama queens ILoveKurt, HomerInSeattle et al. They caused an exodus of alot of good posters.....many of them here at RFU now.It's about quality control! by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #120 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Dude, be a man, have a direct conversation.Coming from the guy who refuses to comment on his observation. Reply 12 / 14 1 12 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 134 posts Jul 04 2025
by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #118 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:And if Cooks and Gurley hadn't have had injury issues.. we'd be talking about how they fucked up and can't keep their stars. You. Can't. Keep. Everyone.No one ever said otherwise but you don't have to re-sign guys early and the Rams are a perfect example of why.I think the risk of a guy performing so well that he costs more in FA is a better one than extending guys who are under contract and team control for a year or two or more. by CanuckRightWinger 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2777 Joined: Jan 13 2016 VANCOUVER, BC Superstar The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #119 There's a new shrillness in the air here.Seriously, posters here are projecting ever more what a guy means by his words.Case in point, my reference to Los Ramos having no money to sign any FAs (maybe even FAs were have already "signed" like that Floyd guy) now means I have "no hope" for Rams success in the 2020 season. FACT: I have been pulling for the Rams since 1967....that's heading into a 53rd season of PreSeason Rams HOPE! Same, same when I went after Kromer a couple months ago....at that time I was also projected to be anti-McVay. FACT: Guys in general greatly resent having words being put into their mouths. .....but that's not the worst! Now, apparently those who point to our 32nd worst Salary Cap position are "Lost in the moment." What absolute tripe! I will just state that I don't think that any history is lost on me. IE. history tells us that you cannot trade up to get a Goff, if you don't have the Draft Picks ammunition.....and you cannot sign FAs if you don't have the money. Pretty simple shit there sportsfans!Also, regarding Rams history "before this LostInTheMoment moment" ......um, who here makes more historical Ram references to George Allen, Tommy Prothro et al eras and other Ram historical games & situations?? Who here has even typed Tony Guillory or Myron Pottios in their posts? Yet...I am "lost in the moment"?? Newsflash: This current Rams 2020 Salary Cap situation will be "history" itself at some point. Some of us are just wondering today what consequences it might have, intended or unintended, for future Rams fortunes. .....but according to one, we are LostInTheMoment. Yesterday the same guy said I had "a horrific take" on a situation, and also said I was "lying" when I referred to one of his past pulp-filled posts. Offensive stuff to be sure.......but not when you consider the source IMO.Here's another historical, OutOfTheMoment reference from me: Scarlett O'Hara. Why bring her up you ask? Because Tara's princess has nothing on RFU's DramaQueenOfTheMoment! Nota Bene: Ram Stalk had drama queens ILoveKurt, HomerInSeattle et al. They caused an exodus of alot of good posters.....many of them here at RFU now.It's about quality control! by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #120 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Dude, be a man, have a direct conversation.Coming from the guy who refuses to comment on his observation. Reply 12 / 14 1 12 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 134 posts Jul 04 2025
by CanuckRightWinger 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 2777 Joined: Jan 13 2016 VANCOUVER, BC Superstar The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #119 There's a new shrillness in the air here.Seriously, posters here are projecting ever more what a guy means by his words.Case in point, my reference to Los Ramos having no money to sign any FAs (maybe even FAs were have already "signed" like that Floyd guy) now means I have "no hope" for Rams success in the 2020 season. FACT: I have been pulling for the Rams since 1967....that's heading into a 53rd season of PreSeason Rams HOPE! Same, same when I went after Kromer a couple months ago....at that time I was also projected to be anti-McVay. FACT: Guys in general greatly resent having words being put into their mouths. .....but that's not the worst! Now, apparently those who point to our 32nd worst Salary Cap position are "Lost in the moment." What absolute tripe! I will just state that I don't think that any history is lost on me. IE. history tells us that you cannot trade up to get a Goff, if you don't have the Draft Picks ammunition.....and you cannot sign FAs if you don't have the money. Pretty simple shit there sportsfans!Also, regarding Rams history "before this LostInTheMoment moment" ......um, who here makes more historical Ram references to George Allen, Tommy Prothro et al eras and other Ram historical games & situations?? Who here has even typed Tony Guillory or Myron Pottios in their posts? Yet...I am "lost in the moment"?? Newsflash: This current Rams 2020 Salary Cap situation will be "history" itself at some point. Some of us are just wondering today what consequences it might have, intended or unintended, for future Rams fortunes. .....but according to one, we are LostInTheMoment. Yesterday the same guy said I had "a horrific take" on a situation, and also said I was "lying" when I referred to one of his past pulp-filled posts. Offensive stuff to be sure.......but not when you consider the source IMO.Here's another historical, OutOfTheMoment reference from me: Scarlett O'Hara. Why bring her up you ask? Because Tara's princess has nothing on RFU's DramaQueenOfTheMoment! Nota Bene: Ram Stalk had drama queens ILoveKurt, HomerInSeattle et al. They caused an exodus of alot of good posters.....many of them here at RFU now.It's about quality control! by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #120 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Dude, be a man, have a direct conversation.Coming from the guy who refuses to comment on his observation. Reply 12 / 14 1 12 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business 134 posts Jul 04 2025
by moklerman 5 years 2 months ago Total posts: 7680 Joined: Apr 17 2015 Bakersfield, CA Hall of Fame The Mismanagement of the L.A. Rams- Are They Able to Rebound in 2020? POST #120 TOPIC AUTHOR Dick84 wrote:Dude, be a man, have a direct conversation.Coming from the guy who refuses to comment on his observation. Reply 12 / 14 1 12 14 Display: All posts1 day7 days2 weeks1 month3 months6 months1 year Sort by: AuthorPost timeSubject Sort by: AscendingDescending Jump to: Forum Rams/NFL Other Sports Rams Fans United Q&A's Board Business