[bubbaramfan]

Here's my take. Some folks in San Diego don't like to be manipulated and given a line of BS. Which this lawsiut will prove. that Dean Soanos and the former mayor of Carson never had any serious conversations about building a stadium there.
I'm of the opinion that it was Dean's last ditch effort to ge San Diego to build a new stadium. Now that this comes out, the city os San Diego is going to tell the Chargers either play in QuallCom or hit the road. and thats just what Dean plans on doing. Its no secret that Dean Spanos, his son and Stan Kroenke have played golf together numerous times in the last two years at Torrey Pines in La Jolla, and have been seen having dinner togher at various 5 star restraunts around San Diego. Doens't sound to like like they are at odds with each other. On the contrary, they have alot in common and alot to talk about. Both Stan and Dean want better facilities. Both have had their cities turn them down. Logical conclusion? Stan to dean-"How about we build a two team state of the art stadium in LA?" Dean to Stan "Let me give it one more shot for San Diego to bulid us a new stadium, if that falls through, we''l move in with you a year later. Stan to Dean "OK, wink wink, lets give em the business".

[Hacksaw]

Sounds about right to me bubba.

[Elvis]

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/T ... 80461.html

Chargers-Carson Negotiations Started Earlier Than Suspected: Complaint
ByGene Cubbison and Andie Adams

After months of politics and posturing the Chargers and local government leaders are headed to the bargaining table tomorrow over a new stadium proposal. NBC 7's Gene Cubbison has the story.

(Published Monday, Jun 1, 2015)
Updated 55 minutes ago

As the Chargers and local government negotiators prepare to sit down at the bargaining table Tuesday, court documents say the team allegedly began talking about a stadium with Carson city officials in mid-2013 – farther back than anyone suspected.

In an amended complaint filed against the city of Carson, Richard Rand, a real estate developer, says he started trying to find Carson an NFL team in 2008. In 2012, his company Rand Resources signed an exclusive agreement to be the city’s agent for an NFL deal.

But the lawsuit alleges another company, U.S. Capital, began working with the city on a similar mission in at least the summer of 2013, meeting with NFL team representatives “including the San Diego Chargers, about relocating to Carson,” the document says. Rand Resources wants $56 million in damages.

That timeline, if true, would mean the Chargers set the ball rolling on a Carson stadium deal about a year earlier than previously believed.

The team has maintained that a Carson stadium would be their “Plan B” and their first choice would be staying put in San Diego. Chargers Chairman Dean Spanos will be discussing that “Plan A” Tuesday with Mayor Kevin Faulconer.

“The timing is right,” said Tony Manolatos, the spokesman for Faulconer’s Citizens Stadium Advisory Group (CSAG). “The city and county are on good financial footing, so that's encouraging."

But sources told NBC 7 the back-and-forth between city and county officials and the team has turned “toxic” -- a word that does not raise expectations already on the low side.

Is Team Spanos inclined, at this early stage, to engage on the overall framework of the Mission Valley redevelopment plan that CSAG rolled out?

"If they're confident saying that, I think we're headed toward a major campaign toward a new stadium in Mission Valley,” said the Voice of San Diego’s Scott Lewis, who has extensively covered the Chargers’ stadium dilemma. “If they're not willing to say that, then we may have an indication that the Chargers told them this whole framework is not something they're interested in."

There's reason not to rush things too much. In this high stakes poker game, early bet-hiking and bluff-calling could result in needless "lose-lose" outcomes.

But the Bolts don't want to lose a race to the L.A. market with Stan Kroenke, the multibillionaire owner of the St. Louis Rams who has bought up land in Inglewood for a stadium of his own.

"He has more money than God, and his wife has more money than him,” said Manolatos. “He wants to build a stadium in Inglewood; he was blowing things up this weekend to prepare that stadium. So he's driving a lot of this. And Stan has the money, he has the land. So everybody is sort of trying to play catch-up with Stan."

Conventional wisdom says the Chargers are reacting to Mission Valley site and financing plan put forth by CSAG and Faulconer with "the sound of one hand clapping” at best.

They've gotten so far along with their "Plan B" in Carson that the San Diego city and county negotiating team will need fallback proposals from their financial consultants and breathing room from the NFL to pull out a Hail Mary that the Bolts will embrace.

"There are too many people in San Diego, and they have such a strong presence here in San Diego to just jump ship and go to another city. They'd be risking a lot,” said Little Italy resident Deanna Degidio.

Even among longtime Charger fans, there's a sense that maybe the team has overstayed its welcome.
"You know, we want a winner -- and at any cost,” said El Cajon resident Dennis Cooley. “So I think it's time for a new team. Hiring good people. Gotta get a new ownership in here at get a winner on the field."

During Tuesday’s time at the negotiating table, Faulconer and Spanos are expected to come up with a game place for the proposed 65,000-seat stadium in Mission Valley.

The CSAG financing plan includes a $1.1 billion price tag and has the Chargers paying for $300 million of it. The proposal also banks on the city selling 75 acres of public land for $225 million.

[Hacksaw]

That Spanos plays by all the rules doesn't he. This hardship is partly his doing. Not so squeaky clean. Perhaps tomorrow we Rams fans will get some good news from SD. Sounds like that isn't really what Spanos wants though.
Interesting that he and Kroenke have been in the NFL scene the same amount of time but Stan is the new kid who nobody supposedly likes.

[Elvis]

http://www.insidesocal.com/nfl/2015/06/ ... san-diego/

Chargers not happy with recent tactics in San Diego

Posted on June 7, 2015 by Vincent Bonsignore

With emotions already running high as San Diego leaders try to come up with a stadium plan to keep the Chargers in San Diego, it looks like a local Republican business club with ties to Mayor Kevin Faulconer is taking steps to muddy the waters between the city and the club.

The San Diego-based Lincoln Club, which paid close to $50,000 in negative advertising during Faulconer’s mayoral campaign as well as publicly endorsed him, recently sponsored a negative Facebook post criticizing the Chargers.

Sponsoring Facebook posts in an effective and inexpensive way to hit a targeted audience.

It wasn’t the only negative Facebook post the Lincoln Club directed at the Chargers, as you can see here.

The mayor isn’t the only stadium-related link to the Lincoln Club. Turns out the spokesman for Mayor Faulconer’s stadium task force – Tony Manolatos – represented the Lincoln Club in 2014 when the club was accused of going too far in paying for a negative ad against City Councilman and then-mayoral candidate David Alvarez.

Manolatos told me this morning he no longer works for the Lincoln Club.

Needless to say, the message and timing of the recent Facebook posts aren’t just curious, it’s potentially damaging.

The Chargers will meet with city officials for the second time in less than a week on Monday – and will bring the team’s financing, land use and election law experts.

Needless to say, the club is not happy at all with the recent tactics.

That sentiment was expressed Sunday in a statement by Chargers’ counsel Mark Fabiani:

“This new negative advertising campaign against the Chargers – launched just as the team began negotiations with the city – speaks volumes about what the Mayor and his political operatives have really been up to on this issue from the start: They have always seemed more concerned with political cover than with actually building a stadium.” Fabiani said.

I put a call into Mayor Faulconer’s Chief of Staff – Stephen Puetz – at 5 pm Sunday but at had not heard back from him by the time this post was published. I will update as needed.

Late Sunday night, Lincoln Club Executive Director Ryan Clumpner emailed me the following statement:

“We are a private organization and post on Facebook as we see fit. We sponsor all our posts. No elected officials have any say in what we post, nor will we be bullied by Mr. Fabiani

“The question we asked on Facebook was whether the Chargers want a new stadium or would rather move to L.A. If Mr. Fabiani was so threatened by that question that he is complaining about it to the NFL, then I think we all know the answer.”

In any event, with time of such an essence as the Chargers try to secure a new home in San Diego – or look to Los Angeles for a new home – this probably isn’t the best time to be throwing mud.

Should make for an interesting meeting Monday, that’s for sure.

[Elvis]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... san-diego/

Political maneuverings marring talks between Chargers, San Diego

Posted by Mike Florio on June 8, 2015, 7:46 AM EDT

Recently-leaked allegations that the Chargers aren’t serious about trying to find a stadium solution in San Diego likely have undermined ongoing talks aimed at that objective. A more overt effort to place the blame on the team that has called San Diego home since 1961 could derail the effort entirely.

Via Vincent Bonsignore of the Los Angeles News Group, a political group that has supported San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer is now attacking the http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... san-diego/

Chargers, via a sponsored Facebook post asking whether the Chargers even want to do a deal to stay put.

The Chargers aren’t pleased with the tactics.

“This new negative advertising campaign against the Chargers — launched just as the team began negotiations with the city — speaks volumes about what the Mayor and his political operatives have really been up to on this issue from the start: They have always seemed more concerned with political cover than with actually building a stadium.” Chargers special counsel Mark Fabiani said in a statement issued to Bonsignore.

The latest comments from Fabiani echo the sentiment he raised when San Diego first opted to embark on a proposal to build a stadium: If the goal is simply to avoid the political fallout of presiding over the departure of the team, don’t bother.

This latest brouhaha comes as the two sides prepare for a second meeting aimed at working out a deal to build a stadium in San Diego, with the Chargers bringing financing, land use, and election law experts to the Monday session. While Faulconer’s office has yet to say anything about the situation, the Lincoln Group has fired back at Fabiani.

“So he wants to blow up a billion-dollar deal over a $200 Facebook post by a private organization? lol,” executive director Ryan Clumpner told Scott Lewis of VoiceofSanDiego.org via email. “We are a private organization and post on Facebook as we see fit. We sponsor all our posts. No elected officials have any say in what we post, nor will we be bullied by Mr. Fabiani. The question we asked on Facebook was whether the Chargers want a new stadium or would rather move to L.A. If Mr. Fabiani was so threatened by that question that he is complaining about it to the NFL, then I think we all know the answer.”

Said Fabiani in response, via Lewis: “No one is talking about blowing up anything. We will be attending Monday’s negotiating session as planned, despite the evidence over the last week of bad-faith behavior by the Mayor and his political operatives.”

And so the first 30-45 minutes of Monday’s meeting likely be devoted to clearing the air and trying to set a tone of cooperation.

If the air can’t be cleared, they should agree that: (1) it’s a waste of everyone’s time to try to work out a new stadium deal; (2) the Chargers should just move to L.A.; and (3) both sides will spend the balance of 2015 — and beyond — publicly and privately blaming each other.

[Hacksaw]

I don't know if Spanos really wants to stay in SD or not. My guess is he does but the way his representatives are going about this it doesn't. They sound a bit childish at first blush. Na na na and tattle tale. None of the bodes well for SD fan.
And is Spanos really exhausting all possibilities when he raises the bar so high and his reps are acting like a bunch of overly sensitive childish tools peeing in their own dog dish ?

[Elvis]

Some people are saying even if Spanos wants to stay, his kids don't. They see big dollar signs in L.A. I still think SD stays in SD but we'll see.

Just heard part of Mayor Butts on Roggin. He didn't have much to say. He said Inglewood is still on track for breaking ground in December, nothing has changed. Asked why there's so much noise coming from Carson and nothing from Inglewood, he said the people he's working with are very professional, don't talk a lot, just go about their business...

[Elvis]

[Hacksaw]

C'mon, he is exhausting all possibilities. Maybe he is trying to get closer to Stockton (his hometown) by moving to LA. Yeah that's it. lol
Seems like he's more interested in the Chargers part of the San Diego Chargers.