[moklerman]

but the best person to really know the LA market would be Jerry Jones, especially since his company does the market research that the league is relying on. Says it’s interesting that Jones is throwing all his support behind the Rams, and that must tell us something about what the numbers (which we haven’t seen) might indicate, especially because Jones really wants the LA team to be successful. He says that he probably has some statistical evidence to back that up

I didn't know this piece of the puzzle.

Me either but Jones has been in Kroenke's corner for a while. Would Jones be considered one of the new guys still? Maybe that also has something to do with things. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the old guard was more in favor of the plan that continued the tradition of publicly financed stadiums.

I don't know, but if there is really opposition against Kroenke amongst the owners then I'd sure like to know why. Hypothetically speaking, I can't come up with a good reason why the other owners would be against Kroenke if they truly want the league to have a team in LA.

[Hacksaw]

Something that I've long considered to be the most important point, that Kroenke doesn't need the NFL or help to get his deal done, as the reason that the NFL would prefer his deal over all others, may actually be the opposite.

Look at what kind of precedent that would set. If Kroenke comes in and builds a successful venue without any public funding, would any future franchise get public funding? This line of thinking has me doubting Kroenke's palace for the first time in a while.

There are not enough owners with that kind of wealth to be able to set a precedent like that. This LA situation is unique and a one time shot.
If another mega wealthy owner was to come along and want to move their team for similar reasons, 1, LA would no longer be available. And other than moving to LA or another former home,, why?

[moklerman]

Something that I've long considered to be the most important point, that Kroenke doesn't need the NFL or help to get his deal done, as the reason that the NFL would prefer his deal over all others, may actually be the opposite.

Look at what kind of precedent that would set. If Kroenke comes in and builds a successful venue without any public funding, would any future franchise get public funding? This line of thinking has me doubting Kroenke's palace for the first time in a while.

There are not enough owners with that kind of wealth to be able to set a precedent like that. This LA situation is unique and a one time shot.
If another mega wealthy owner was to come along and want to move their team for similar reasons, 1, LA would no longer be available. And other than moving to LA or another former home,, why?

It wouldn't be about the details though, would it? Is the public perception, even now, that the NFL couldn't afford to build it's own stadiums? I don't think so.

It wouldn't matter that Kroenke's got so much more money than any of the other owners, it would just do down as an NFL stadium finally being built without public money. Unless of course there have been others already.

[Rams the Legends live on]

Me either but Jones has been in Kroenke's corner for a while. Would Jones be considered one of the new guys still? Maybe that also has something to do with things. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the old guard was more in favor of the plan that continued the tradition of publicly financed stadiums.

I don't know, but if there is really opposition against Kroenke amongst the owners then I'd sure like to know why. Hypothetically speaking, I can't come up with a good reason why the other owners would be against Kroenke if they truly want the league to have a team in LA.

I don't have the link on me now but I posted on RRF the link for the 2 gazillion page hearing the Senate had in 99 on the 90's move of teams and one thing the Congress has been wanting to do for awhile now is stop all public financing of stadiums. They did some legislation back in the 80's that they thought would end public finance but the states found loop holes and still funded the venues. So in my opinion after this is all said and done I think the NFL will meet and come out with a new set of bylaws that will for the most part make a franchise tied to a specific market for life, except under certain circumstances which will be spelled out and not subject to interpretation as they are now when it comes to a move.

I think the NFL will be forced to do this because ya have 3 teams and 5 cities now playing musical chairs and so some Congress men after this is done will wanna show the voters how much they care for them, and have their reelection or election in mind and want some brownie points. So that is to many folks affected by a NFL move at one time so no way a politician misses the opportunity to step in and leave his or in this case their marks. So the NFL after all this is done is gonna preempt them and show how good they are at self policing so the politicians don't have the last say and everyone in the future having to privately fund their stadium.

[BuiltRamTough]

Something that I've long considered to be the most important point, that Kroenke doesn't need the NFL or help to get his deal done, as the reason that the NFL would prefer his deal over all others, may actually be the opposite.

Look at what kind of precedent that would set. If Kroenke comes in and builds a successful venue without any public funding, would any future franchise get public funding? This line of thinking has me doubting Kroenke's palace for the first time in a while.

There are not enough owners with that kind of wealth to be able to set a precedent like that. This LA situation is unique and a one time shot.
If another mega wealthy owner was to come along and want to move their team for similar reasons, 1, LA would no longer be available. And other than moving to LA or another former home,, why?

The whole "precedent" thing about future cities is overblown. It's actually the opposite. Cities would offer more because the team might move regardless the offer. Everyone knows teams could built there own stadiums with the help of the NFL but they still fork over loot. Look at SD and STL. The reality is when push comes to shove cities step up. No one wants to lose a franchise.

The bigger "precedent" is when a city doesn't honor the lease and they turn around and offer something totally different.

Besides, this is a unique situation. People know you could build privately financed stadium in NY,LA and even Chicago because of the market size.

99% of the time cities come through with funds. Don't look at the NFL only look at other leagues in this country.

[den-the-coach]

Something that I've long considered to be the most important point, that Kroenke doesn't need the NFL or help to get his deal done, as the reason that the NFL would prefer his deal over all others, may actually be the opposite.

Look at what kind of precedent that would set. If Kroenke comes in and builds a successful venue without any public funding, would any future franchise get public funding? This line of thinking has me doubting Kroenke's palace for the first time in a while.

But Robert Kraft did the very same thing...Private funded his own venue, it was not all his money, but he did it without any public money whatsoever!

[RedAlice]

but the best person to really know the LA market would be Jerry Jones, especially since his company does the market research that the league is relying on. Says it’s interesting that Jones is throwing all his support behind the Rams, and that must tell us something about what the numbers (which we haven’t seen) might indicate, especially because Jones really wants the LA team to be successful. He says that he probably has some statistical evidence to back that up

I didn't know this piece of the puzzle.

I'd heard that and expect this is a positive for Rams back to LA. Looked up some background info -

Lengends Sports Consulting did the marketing surveys. http://www.legends.net
They work with a lot of top sports teams.


Looks like it was originally formed by Goldman Sachs bringing together the Yankees and Cowboys, with GS having departed in 2012.

The new ownership structure, completed last month, is now split between the Cowboys, Yankees and the Checketts Partners Investment Fund, a $50 million fund, which has stepped up and increased its share of Legends. The two major league teams still own majority and equal shares.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Jour ... gends.aspx



Article on the Marketing Surveys from October 2014 when they were beginning.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp ... story.html

[BuiltRamTough]

Something that I've long considered to be the most important point, that Kroenke doesn't need the NFL or help to get his deal done, as the reason that the NFL would prefer his deal over all others, may actually be the opposite.

Look at what kind of precedent that would set. If Kroenke comes in and builds a successful venue without any public funding, would any future franchise get public funding? This line of thinking has me doubting Kroenke's palace for the first time in a while.

But Robert Kraft did the very same thing...Private funded his own venue, it was not all his money, but he did it without any public money whatsoever!

I think the new Falcons stadium is also privately financed. I'm not sure though.

The NBA Warriors are privately financing an arena in San Fran.

[BuiltRamTough]

Falcons is 70-80 perfect private.

http://mercedesbenzstadium.com/funding/

[RedAlice]

Something that I've long considered to be the most important point, that Kroenke doesn't need the NFL or help to get his deal done, as the reason that the NFL would prefer his deal over all others, may actually be the opposite.

Look at what kind of precedent that would set. If Kroenke comes in and builds a successful venue without any public funding, would any future franchise get public funding? This line of thinking has me doubting Kroenke's palace for the first time in a while.

But Robert Kraft did the very same thing...Private funded his own venue, it was not all his money, but he did it without any public money whatsoever!

I didn't know that. Maybe that is why Kraft is siding with Kroenke on this issue.

Completed in 2002 and is the first and still only 100% privately funded stadium. That kinda shoots down the "precedent" theory. In fact, if Gillette is already successful and teams are still asking for public money the whole point of this line of argument makes no sense.

This sounds kind of familiar to what Kroenke wants to do -

The award winning Gillette Stadium was completed in 2002 and was the first and still the only true 100 percent privately funded stadium in the country. Combining unique architecture, sightlines, open concourses and one-of-a-kind suites and club spaces, the stadium has become the premier venue in the northeast United States for entertainment events as well as trade shows and corporate functions of all sizes. All food and beverage and security operations are provided by Kraft Group affiliates to ensure the highest level of service. It is a full-function venue, operating 365 days a year and soon to be expanded with the completion of Patriot Place, a 1 million-plus sq. ft. retail and lifestyle development.

http://www.thekraftgroup.com/sports_entertainment/