[dieterbrock]

If we are 0-2, the train is off the tracks. So at 1-1, we have stay of execution.
Hard for me to sign off on "so far, so good" as this is the worst offense I have seen to start a year as long as I can remember. The defense is great, but we also were in an incredibly fortunate situation with Wilson hobbling, the o-line in shambles and no rb threat. And still in spite of that it took a great reaction tackle by Hill and a flukey fumble to prevent Seattle from potentially going up 10-9
A win is always better than a loss but in some ways this was a loss. Fisher giving the game ball to Keenum is just the crux of what is wrong. Keenum was barely average.
So let's go get Tampa, tough game for sure and hopefully everything comes together for us like last year. Because if it doesn't, we are right back in derail mode

[phoenixrising]

I keep reading that Keenum played a good game. He did not. He played better but that's not saying much. I recall about 4 easy throws where his accuracy was off. He had a few opportunities where a good he had protection and time to throw and hit a wide open receiver. An NFL QB is expected to complete those and he did. But he still can't throw over the top of the defense. And defenses don't really respect his mid-level passing because the ball takes so long to get there the defense can recover. Lots of yards but no trips to the red zone. So the LB's and safeties just tee off on Gurley. He still loses sight of the field after about two seconds of pass rush, so he knows he has to get the ball out and doesn't wait for receivers to come open. And he's still terrible on third down and would also be terrble in the red zone if he ever got there. At least he attacked the middle of the field, something he did not at SF. And had some success.

[/zn/]

But he still can't throw over the top of the defense. .

He can and did. He has before, and did again. It happened right in front of us in the Seattle game and it happened right in front of us last year too.

Where CK is limited is medium routes and deep outs. Where you have to sling it on a rope. But he has the touch and accuracy for lofting deep passes, and works on the timing and anticipation. That happens to work with a play action offense.

Throwing long is not all arm. There are strong armed qbs who can't hit long passes. A good arm helps, absolutely, but that's not the only thing you need to do it.

As a rule teams that throw long (31 yards or more) 5% or more of the time are in the top third of the league in terms of how often they do it. Much rarer still is to do it 6% or more. The last couple of years, regardless of the qb, Rams have thrown in that range more than 5% of the time. In his last 7 games, this year and last, Keenum has done it 5.26% of the time. That's 1.1 of those a game, which is not high (high is around 2) but more toward the middle compared to other teams.

Completions? For some context---when I look at long ball stats, they are not frequently thrown and you have to adjust what you expect in terms of completion percentage. I have found that 30+% is good, 40+% is very good, and 50+% is rare and superlative.

Adding up all 7 starts with the Rams,

* Keenum has thrown 17 passes of 21 yards or more with a 41% completion rate. That's 2.4 of those a game.

* Keenum has thrown 8 passes of 31 yards or more with a 37.5% completion rate.

In 2016 alone, he has thrown 6 attempts of 21 yards or more with a 50% completion rate, and 2 passes of 31 yards or more with a 50% completion rate.

Back when he had top receivers in 2013 (Andre Johnson & DeAndre Hopkins obviously), he threw 30 for 21 or more yards with a completion percentage of 40%, and (most notably), 13 of 31 yards or more with a completion percentage of 53.8%.

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[Neil039]

The Niners are a very beatable team for us and we just came out bent over and squealed like a pig for a national audience.

Brother, they call that the "Old Ned Beatty"

[TheRams4life]

Zn, he was 0-8 in 2013. He missed alot of throws Sunday. I know u seem to like him and say he's the best backup the rams have had in a long time, but I'm just not seeing it. He has been horrendous to say the least. I respect your opinion but not when it comes to Keenum. This team well never make the playoffs with him as the starting QB imo.

[Rams the Legends live on]

Brother, they call that the "Old Ned Beatty"

LOL....Indeed my brother indeed......LOL. Did ya catch CU beating Oregon, was a good game. An was shocking had 79 points scored overall and being a Rams fan as well I just found that way excessive and overkill to have that much offense in a game ..........LOL

[aeneas1]

Zn, he was 0-8 in 2013. He missed alot of throws Sunday. I know u seem to like him and say he's the best backup the rams have had in a long time, but I'm just not seeing it. He has been horrendous to say the least. I respect your opinion but not when it comes to Keenum. This team well never make the playoffs with him as the starting QB imo.

and the reason you're not seeing it is because it's not there to see, trying to frame keenum's skill set, staline, or body of work in a positive light is simply the same as attempting to put lipstick on a pig, simply the same as trying to argue that tebow was indeed an nfl caliber starting qb...

[aeneas1]

Brother, they call that the "Old Ned Beatty"

first saw that flick as a college freshman, it was shown in the student theater, not many had heard or seen it even tho it had been out for many years, not many knew what to expect or what was coming, ha ha... after ned took his medicine the entire audience would break out into loud squealing whenever his mug was shown again, it's still one of the funniest crowd things i've ever experienced, leave it to 300 stoned undergrads, ha ha...

[moklerman]

and the reason you're not seeing it is because it's not there to see, trying to frame keenum's skill set, staline, or body of work in a positive light is simply the same as attempting to put lipstick on a pig, simply the same as trying to argue that tebow was indeed an nfl caliber starting qb...

There seems to be a real blind spot when it comes to Keenum. Of Clemens, Davis and Keenum, Davis actually performed the best overall. By a decent margin. But no one's trying to prop up Davis. If Keenum isn't even that good, it's weird that such effort is being spent on him.

All of them are virtually identical in size and ability so I don't know where this hard on is coming from for Keenum.

The stats certainly don't support the idea of his greatness/goodness/solidness:
7 starts 58.4% 6.3YPA 4TD(2.1%)/3INT(1.6%) 77.5 rating

Clemens as a Ram:
12 starts 56.8% 6.7YPA 10TD(3.0%)/9INT(2.7%) 76.2 rating

Davis as a Ram:
8 starts 63.4% 7.0YPA 12TD(4.2%)/9INT(3.2%) 85.1 rating

Now, before anyone jumps to point out Davis' meltdown, let me ask this: was it really too far different than Keenum has played in his last 3 games?
57/102(55.9%) 600 yards(5.9YPA) 0TD(0%)/2INT(2.0%) 64.99 rating

[dieterbrock]

He can and did. He has before, and did again. It happened right in front of us in the Seattle game and it happened right in front of us last year too.

Where CK is limited is medium routes and deep outs. Where you have to sling it on a rope. But he has the touch and accuracy for lofting deep passes, and works on the timing and anticipation. That happens to work with a play action offense.

Throwing long is not all arm. There are strong armed qbs who can't hit long passes. A good arm helps, absolutely, but that's not the only thing you need to do it.

As a rule teams that throw long (31 yards or more) 5% or more of the time are in the top third of the league in terms of how often they do it. Much rarer still is to do it 6% or more. The last couple of years, regardless of the qb, Rams have thrown in that range more than 5% of the time. In his last 7 games, this year and last, Keenum has done it 5.26% of the time. That's 1.1 of those a game, which is not high (high is around 2) but more toward the middle compared to other teams.

Completions? For some context---when I look at long ball stats, they are not frequently thrown and you have to adjust what you expect in terms of completion percentage. I have found that 30+% is good, 40+% is very good, and 50+% is rare and superlative.

Adding up all 7 starts with the Rams,

* Keenum has thrown 17 passes of 21 yards or more with a 41% completion rate. That's 2.4 of those a game.

* Keenum has thrown 8 passes of 31 yards or more with a 37.5% completion rate.

In 2016 alone, he has thrown 6 attempts of 21 yards or more with a 50% completion rate, and 2 passes of 31 yards or more with a 50% completion rate.

Back when he had top receivers in 2013 (Andre Johnson & DeAndre Hopkins obviously), he threw 30 for 21 or more yards with a completion percentage of 40%, and (most notably), 13 of 31 yards or more with a completion percentage of 53.8%.

.

Well, there you have it.
Keenum's awesome!!
I've been focusing on the irrelevant stats like only throwing 4 td passes in 7 starts along with a whopping 14 points a game.
And then this year only leading the team in to the red zone once while averaging 4.5 points a game.
My bad. It's a good thing I have a place to come to that will straighten me out!