[Hacksaw]

LA : http://losangelesrams.org/about/statist ... dance.html
NFL '01 - '14 : http://espn.go.com/nfl/attendance

Can't find anything for the StL football Cards.

The following is from a post I left years ago at RRF.

Here are a few head to head #'s...

Team . . . . . . . . Year . . . G . . Total . . . Average
Los Angeles Rams 1983 . . . 8 . . 422,329 . 52,791
Los Angeles Rams 1984 . . . 8 . . 435,637 . 54,455
Los Angeles Rams 1985 . . . 8 . . 449,938 . 56,242
Los Angeles Rams 1986 . . . 8 . . 474,282 . 59,285
Los Angeles Rams 1987 . . . 7 . . 331,491 . 47,356
Los Angeles Rams 1988 . . . 8 . . 435,749 . 54,469
Los Angeles Rams 1989 . . . 8 . . 470,770 . 58,846
Los Angeles Rams 1990 . . . 8 . . 479,356 . 59,920
Los Angeles Rams 1991 . . . 8 . . 412,685 . 51,586
Los Angeles Rams 1992 . . . 8 . . 414,502 . 51,813
Los Angeles Rams 1993 . . . 8 . . 363,211 . 45,401
Los Angeles Rams 1994 . . . 8 . . 338,497 . 42,312

* LA had 2 NFL teams.

Compare to Stl. Cardinals attendance stats,

St. Louis Cardinals 1983 . . . 8 . . 309,612 . 38,702
St. Louis Cardinals 1984 . . . 8 . . 372,154 . 46,519
St. Louis Cardinals 1985 . . . 8 . . 325,353 . 40,669
St. Louis Cardinals 1986 . . . 8 . . 284,380 . 35,548
St. Louis Cardinals 1987 . . . 7 . . 194,748 . 27,821


Disclosure: I researched this about 5+ years ago when Stan's behavior began to smell of California dreaming.
The bookmarks from where I got these attendance numbers were lost 2 crashed hard drives ago. These were reputable sites and the numbers are accurate but I can't find them again. To bad because I would have used these more often.

[dieterbrock]

Great info Hacksaw.
And selfishly speaking, I had the average of 35k for the last 3 years in my craw. Seems I was close, according to your numbers, it was 34,679...

[Hacksaw]

Great info Hacksaw.
And selfishly speaking, I had the average of 35k for the last 3 years in my craw. Seems I was close, according to your numbers, it was 34,679...

Yeah, when you mentioned that attendance number it made me remember that thread page. I knew I could prove you correct. Good memory my man.

Also I only posted those years the LA Raiders were in town sharing the Rams market. You can bet the attendance was much higher before the Raiders came and similar to what LA can be if the Rams come alone...

[dieterbrock]

Great info Hacksaw.
And selfishly speaking, I had the average of 35k for the last 3 years in my craw. Seems I was close, according to your numbers, it was 34,679...

Yeah, when you mentioned that attendance number it made me remember that thread page. I knew I could prove you correct. Good memory my man.

Also I only posted those years the LA Raiders were in town sharing the Rams market. You can bet the attendance was much higher before the Raiders came and similar to what LA can be if the Rams come alone...

Seating capacity was 60k for Busch, 69k for Anaheim

So in the last 6 years of Busch, they averaged 37,852 fans. That's 63% of capacity, while the LA Rams in their last 10 years averaged 52,723 fans and 76.4% capacity

It's really no comparison

[OldSchool]

Just from memory of looking into it before, those bad years Bernie mentions for LA were still a couple thousand of the NFL average attendance. Those numbers he's bragging about for StL are 10k below league average.

[TSFH Fan]

Great work on getting those numbers, guys. I decided to take a trip into the waaaaaayback machine to try to remember some context about our LA numbers back then. I remember GF being one of the cheapest owners in sports in the same division as one of the most generous owners in sports, I had forgotten about the astrologer stuff, and there's the rest of the stuff in this article from 1994 just to bring back unsettling memories:

PRO FOOTBALL; A Farewell to Tinsel Town
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/12/22/sport ... -town.html

ANAHEIM, Calif., Dec. 21— They beat the Dodgers to the West Coast, the 49ers to the Super Bowl and the Lakers to Showtime. Their players belonged to the actor's guild, their Fearsome Foursome did the Ed Sullivan Show and Jonathan Winters was their Jack Nicholson.

The Los Angeles Rams were first to Hollywood and are about to be first to leave. Their star has fallen in increments, from a nonsensical move down the freeway, to the drowning of their former owner, to the pitiable trade that emptied their pockets.

When the Washington Redskins leave town after Saturday's season finale here, the Rams are probably headed to the airport with them.

Although marathon negotiations with St. Louis last weekend did not end in an accord, indications are that the Rams will sign a deal with that city in about 10 days. If so, it will be the end of a 48-year era that began with a sellout and will conclude without so much as a curtain call.

"The people of St. Louis will be all excited to get this team," said the Rams' former longtime quarterback, Roman Gabriel. "And then they'll realize Georgia Frontiere is still the owner."

The consensus is that the Rams' problems start at the top, with a woman who inherited the team, grew fickle with her money and consulted her horoscope on key decisions. Georgia Frontiere is a former nightclub singer whose sixth husband was the late Carroll Rosenbloom, and her only qualification for the job of Rams chief executive officer was that she could croon the team's fight song.

With the Rams going 24-55 in their last five seasons, she has turned into more of a recluse. Either she is in Bel Air or in England, but she is not at practice.

"I barely even know what she looks like," said the current Rams tight end, Troy Drayton. "I've seen her picture, but have had no conversations. Actually, I think I saw her here once on a golf cart."

The players just know she is frugal with the payroll and needs a quick influx of cash. She has borrowed a reported $30 million against her Ram assets, and that is why guaranteed money from St. Louis appeals to her. The move would be purely for financial reasons, and she has directed her front man, the team president John Shaw, to negotiate meticulously in her favor, down to painting the seats in the new St. Louis dome blue and gold.

But money never used to be an issue for the Rams. They moved West from Cleveland in 1946, beating the Brooklyn Dodger owner, Walter O'Malley, by a decade, and their first star, Elroy (Crazy Legs) Hirsch, was quickly recruited by movie directors. "Crazy Legs drafted me," Gabriel said. "And all I'm thinking is, 'Man, I saw you in the movie, 'Unchained.' ' "

All of Hollywood admired the Rams, and all of the Rams admired Hollywood back. "I remember Bob Waterfield was married to Jane Russell," Gabriel said, "and on the team flights, you just waited to see if Jane was coming."

Jim Nabors sang the national anthem, and Henry Fonda, Kirk Douglas, Chuck Connors and Jack Palance were all in attendance. Mike Henry, a Rams linebacker in the early 1960's, benefited, all right: he was cast to be Tarzan.

They won their only title in 1951, although there might have been others if their road had not detoured to Green Bay or Minneapolis. George Allen's teams in the late 1960's did not play well in long johns, and a 1969 playoff loss in frozen Minneapolis demoralized them.

By 1972, they had a new, fearless leader, Rosenbloom, who had actually swapped his Baltimore Colts for the Rams.

"Saturday nights before games we'd have a buffet and sit around with the boss man," the former defensive end Jack Youngblood said. "Jonathan Winters and Ricardo Montalban would have burgers and brew with us, and then off to bed.

"But, Carroll Rosenbloom was the heart and soul of the franchise. He'd drop in in his helicopter after stopping by a deli, and they'd have a chair waiting for him. He'd make a rye, salami and a Bermuda onion sandwich. You couldn't get close to him, but, put it this way: You knew the boss man was around. Wow, those onions."

But on April 2, 1979 -- nine months before their only Super Bowl appearance -- Rosenbloom drowned while swimming by himself, caught in a tide. He had already drawn up plans to move 35 miles to Anaheim, for financial reasons only, and little did he know how much he would alienate his fan base. With traffic, Hollywood to Anaheim was no easy commute, and then the team bottomed out after a fiasco of a trade.

Frontiere was unwilling to pay the star running back, Eric Dickerson, what he wanted, and so he asked to be traded. The Rams, in 1987, sent Dickerson to Indianapolis in a three-way trade that landed them a bushel of draft picks (three No. 1's and three No. 2's) and could have saved them the way the Herschel Walker trade saved Dallas. But Frontiere had exorcised all of her late husband's football people -- like Don Klosterman -- and their replacements botched nearly every single draft choice.

This is partly why they are now a lame duck team, although the attorney and agent Leigh Steinberg has organized a "Save the Rams" group that has yet to gain Frontiere's ear. They are offering a new stadium and guaranteeing 45,000 season-tickets, luxury boxes and a $15 million practice facility. They want to buy 25 percent of the team for $50 million, and solve her cash-flow problem.

"The Rams' response has been no response," Steinberg said.

The question now is whether the league will block an attempted move or whether Frontiere, who declined to be interviewed, has a change of heart. Members of the team's booster club visited her and Shaw recently, and she seemed distracted until the members told her about Orange County's guarantees. "There are guarantees?" she asked Shaw, who had neglected to fill her in.

Also, before the boosters left, she reminded them that she makes most decisions after consulting her astrologist.

"Listen," said a Rams vice president, Marshall Klein, in defense of Frontiere. "She is philanthropical to a fault, a humanitarian and community activist. As for the astrology, it's safe to say she has an interest, but to say she sets her life by that, forget it."

The players, in the interim, are mostly apathetic, although running back Jerome Bettis plans to shake as many hands as he can this Saturday, which may not take very long. Their average attendance is 44,000, and that is another reason why Saturday is probably the franchise's bon voyage: The fans have turned the other cheek.

"You want to join the witness protection program?" said Howie Long, a former Raider and current Fox television football analyst. "Play football in Los Angeles."

[dieterbrock]

Anyone know what the Rams attendance was year 1 in St Louis?

[Hacksaw]

Anyone know what the Rams attendance was year 1 in St Louis?

496,486 = 62K per

[Hacksaw]

TSFH, man I remember that article like it was yesterday. What a hollow feeling.. Kind of gives a little perspective for the StL'ers.
I don't want to count chickens yet but that helpless feeling that article brought back might actually get healed. >>knock on wood<<

[dieterbrock]

Anyone know what the Rams attendance was year 1 in St Louis?

496,486 = 62K per

Thanks brudda
62k huh?
Did they add extra seats for the Rams or was the 60k inaccuate?