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 by Elvis
9 years 11 months ago
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United States of America   Los Angeles
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I think point 7 is pretty telling:

Focus group participants indicated that while keeping the Rams in St. Louis was preferred, remaining a NFL
city was of the utmost importance. The vast majority of participants would support a new NFL team if it came to the market.


According to the survey, losing the Rams ain't no big thing to St. Louis, they just wanna be a NFL city...

 by Elvis
9 years 11 months ago
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United States of America   Los Angeles
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Anybody following spoof Stan Kroenke on Twitter? It's pretty funny and this one make a good point:


 by TSFH Fan
9 years 11 months ago
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United States of America   The OC
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Elvis wrote:I think point 7 is pretty telling:

Focus group participants indicated that while keeping the Rams in St. Louis was preferred, remaining a NFL
city was of the utmost importance. The vast majority of participants would support a new NFL team if it came to the market.


According to the survey, losing the Rams ain't no big thing to St. Louis, they just wanna be a NFL city...


Cool, I hope no one minds if I blatantly regurgitate what I just posed elsewhere:

The Executive Summary provides nice cover for the NFL PR dept. to spin justification for temporarily/permanently exiting that corpse of a market. I'm sure there's even more spinnable ammo in the full report.

It also confirms that St. Loutroit will accept whatever falls off the back of the NFL truck: "remaining a NFL was of the utmost importance. The vast majority of participants would support a new NFL team if it came to the market." Since they'll accept any team, there seems to be no business justification (from the NFL POV) to prevent our particular team from leaving there. Yeah, their new stadium video has the early banner line "commit to a . . ." Just re-edit that line to read "Commitment to Excellence" and include the Raider logo.

Oh, so Mark doesn't want to downgrade from Oakland? Well some other team in the future with a stadium dispute can still point to the "support a new NFL team" line in the Report and threaten, A-ha!, I'll go there, and get fan support, unless you give me a new stadium (of course the threat wielding owner will ignore the part about lack of robust regional area -- I never said these owner's threats were reasonable or well thought out).

Great PR ammo.

 by bubbaramfan
9 years 11 months ago
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United States of America   Carson Landfill
Pro Bowl

I keep saying the market study will be the owners excuse to vote for Stan's move. Those corporate luxury boxes go for millions, and they can't fill them in St. Louis. Stan's stadium in LA has almost twice as many planned as the ED. LA has a much bigger corporate pool than St. Louis.

 by OldSchool
9 years 11 months ago
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United States of America   LA Coliseum
Pro Bowl

Seeing some of the responses just makes me want the NFL out of St Louis. The woe is me boohoo the Rams were bad don't blame us for not going to the games. Don't blame us the owner isn't on the podium daily telling us how he empathizes with us. It's not our fault the Cardinals left for Arizona either. Evil LA didn't want them either so don't blame us. You don't understand us or our pain don't blame us. It doesn't matter that Georgia stole the team from a loyal fan base 20 years ago that was our rightful due after us not supporting the Cardinals and Bidwell!

My goodness grow a set of balls and support your team or get the hell out of the way and let others do it for you. They blame everybody for their situation and they did nothing wrong. I really need to stay away from that damned thread and the idiots who populate it.

 by Hacksaw
9 years 11 months ago
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United States of America   AT THE BEACH
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OldSchool wrote:Seeing some of the responses just makes me want the NFL out of St Louis. The woe is me boohoo the Rams were bad don't blame us for not going to the games. Don't blame us the owner isn't on the podium daily telling us how he empathizes with us. It's not our fault the Cardinals left for Arizona either. Evil LA didn't want them either so don't blame us. You don't understand us or our pain don't blame us. It doesn't matter that Georgia stole the team from a loyal fan base 20 years ago that was our rightful due after us not supporting the Cardinals and Bidwell!

My goodness grow a set of balls and support your team or get the hell out of the way and let others do it for you. They blame everybody for their situation and they did nothing wrong. I really need to stay away from that damned thread and the idiots who populate it.


I feel your frustration and a sense of relief at the same time just reading your post . these fools are very focused on themselves and their situation and how they are getting screwed over but very very few give a crap about what happened to us. I'm sure stlouis is a fine city but most of the posters from there seem to have a very high perception of themselves and their city. comparing themselves to Los Angeles is delusional though.
Over the years I've been insulted numerous times and confronted with comments like LA didn't deserve the Rams yada yada. Now it's their turn again.
perhaps they keep our team and perhaps they don't.

 by Hacksaw
9 years 11 months ago
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United States of America   AT THE BEACH
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bubbaramfan wrote:I keep saying the market study will be the owners excuse to vote for Stan's move. Those corporate luxury boxes go for millions, and they can't fill them in St. Louis. Stan's stadium in LA has almost twice as many planned as the ED. LA has a much bigger corporate pool than St. Louis.

So let's run with your logic on this for a minute bubba.
St Louis vs Los Angeles Inglewood straight up means more corporate suites better suites and more revenue.
You have to add San Diego and Oakland into that equation and subtract St Louis.

If St Louis prevais, you have Carson housing housing two teams with likely the equal number of boxes sold per weekend to Inglewood.
St Louis will prevail if Carson is the choice either way.

So if you are correct in your assumption that the criteria they will choose is based off luxury boxes, then it makes no sense to put two teams and one stadium losing Oakland and San Diego corporate sponsorships in trade for shaky sponsorship in St Louis.

in other words is best for the NFL and everyone's collective wealth if there's only one team playing in the stadium. so the only real threat in that scenario would be the Chargers or Raiders moving into Farmers Field alone.

 by BuiltRamTough
9 years 11 months ago
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Armenia   Los Angeles
Hall of Fame

They have to face reality. The Cardinals are just that big and they hog up all the cooperate money. Plus you add the fact that STL is a declining market.

Also they keep sayig Stan is a bad owner and make it seem he's the reason why they keep losing. At the same time they want the team to stay desperately. So in theory they want to keep a a bad owner and a bad team.

 by Elvis
9 years 11 months ago
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United States of America   Los Angeles
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Sort of related:

http://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/blog ... major.html

Cardinals ranked 10th most efficient team in major leagues

Jul 7, 2015, 2:53pm CDT
Brian Feldt

The St. Louis Cardinals are among the most cost-efficient teams in professional sports, according to a new ranking from NerdWallet.

The ranking analyzed win-loss records and payroll data since 2000 to figure out which teams in Major League Baseball, the National Basketball Association and the National Football League have been the smartest spenders. Essentially, the ranking takes into account roster spending versus team performance.

The St. Louis Cardinals ranked 21st among all pro sports teams and 10th in MLB. In the National League Central Division, the Pittsburgh Pirates ranked better (eighth overall and fourth in MLB). The Cardinals had an estimated $283 million in 2014 revenue, according to Business Journal research.

The St. Louis Rams rank 80th of the 92 professional sports teams. The Rams made an estimated $250 million in revenue last year.
No NHL teams were included in the study.

Since 2000, MLB teams have spent more than $37 billion on payrolls, the study said.

Since 2000, NFL teams’ roster payrolls have totaled over $47 billion — 67 percent more than the NBA’s and 28 percent higher than MLB’s, despite baseball’s lack of a salary cap.

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