[snackdaddy]

Does anyone outside of st. louis really give a shit about what he said?

[Elvis]

I'm pretty sure Demoff and Kroenke are lying when they say how much they welcome a 2nd team to Inglewood and yet somehow my fandom is unaffected.

The story of how the Rams made it back to L.A. is fascinating and has a great ending. Personally i can't get enough of it...

[BuiltRamTough]

Does anyone outside of st. louis really give a shit about what he said?

No lol

I listen to national radio and no one even brings this up. It's only local STL media guys that talk and tweet about it.

A lot of national football fans are happy and relived that a team is back in LA. Bc for 20 years there was always talks about a team in LA and people got tired of it. Fans are happy it's over.

The NFL got the monkey off its back. Thanks to Kroenke.

[Stranger]

[Hacksaw]

That Cardinal doesn't look well Stranger.

[Elvis]

The Butt That Won't Stop Hurting:

https://nthezoneshow.wordpress.com/2016 ... r-exposed/

10 For Tuesday: Rams’ Demoff Further Exposed

@RealShaneGray

By now, many of you have likely either watched or heard quite a bit about the head-scratching, mind-boggling presentation that Los Angeles Rams Chief Operating Offender Kevin Demoff made at Harvard-Westlake High School on March 1.

Unfortunately, if you missed the video and want to see it, Demoff has apparently had his infamous, boneheaded speech pulled, after several comments he made were strongly scrutinized in articles by the likes of The Sporting News’ Ron Clements, InsideSTL’s Tim McKernan and 101 ESPN’s Randy Karraker as well as in audio by 101 ESPN’s Bernie Miklasz, among others.

In other news regarding the Rams’ great deceiver, Demoff spent time this weekend speaking at the South by Southwest conference about “the intersection of personal ethics, fandom and commerce in sports.”

Yes, you read that correctly.

The same man who quite obviously has no appreciation or understanding of proper personal ethics and who blatantly lied to his fans repeatedly was invited to speak about “the intersection of personal ethics, fandom and commerce in sports.”

You can’t make this stuff up.

If Demoff’s speech was honest, this appearance would have consisted of him talking about how he believes that any respect towards personal ethics or fans should be tossed out and stomped on if needed when “commerce in sports” is involved.

With that said, today’s “10 for Tuesday”…

1. Some people want the N The Zone family to continue talking about the Rams, while others want us to stop talking about the *%$#*@-up franchise altogether. I can see both sides.

With that said, the above is new information and — I for one — will continue to report anything that exposes Demoff for the deceptive, dishonest, slimy human being that he has proven himself to be. Consider it a warning for our L.A. brethren and appropriate reporting for the STL family.

So, if you don’t want to see it, you’re on the wrong site. On the other hand, if you want to see Demoff called out for his lies and exposed for all the damage he helped bring to St. Louis and the fans here, then you’re exactly where you need to be.

2. In Demoff’s aforementioned presentation, he made it clear that the move to L.A. was in the works for two-and-a-half years prior to its approval. In other words, the Rams began plotting for relocation by at least the Summer of 2013 when Sellout Stan Kroenke called Demoff about the Inglewood site.

3. Additionally, Demoff detailed how the Rams were quietly but earnestly making moves towards the move by the Spring of 2014 and that they were “stealthily” working hard towards an L.A. stadium in the summer of that same year.

4. Points two and three — like the Rams relocation proposal — add more proof that Demoff was lying to St. Louis since — at least — roughly the close of the dome’s arbitration case in early 2013. When looking at points two and three, these words from 2014 — among many others you can find here from both 2013 and 2014 — look particularly pitiful:

Demoff (to InsideSTL)

“I expect it (our future) will be right here in St. Louis. I don’t see any reason that that can’t be so.”

“I promise you Stan is looking at lots of pieces of land around the world right now and none of them are for football stadiums.”

Demoff (to 101ESPN):

“..I know everybody can sit here and say, especially this weekend, “The building can rock like it did in 1999,” which is absolutely true. If we play better football, it will be loud, passionate. But in terms of getting people off the couch away from television which is a fight that everybody in the NFL is going through and everybody in sports is going through, how do we improve the fan experience and give them the best? I think that’s the solution. If we can come up with it whether it’s downtown, whether it’s in the county, whether it’s somewhere else, I think we’d be in favor of it.”

Demoff October 2014 (CBS Sports 920’s McKernan, Edmonds & Moe):

“I think when he (Kroenke) said what he said (about wanting Rams to stay) when he bought the team, he was sincere, he was genuine and in the meantime there’s a path and a process that’s behind closed doors, and that’s what we’ve adapted to.”

“It’s hard to believe now but the Seattle Seahawks actually moved to Los Angeles for about two weeks in 1996 before returning back to Seattle. I don’t think anybody now looks at their fanbase and says they’re not passionate, they’re not a great team, that’s not a great market. So these things tend to get worse before they get better and I always look at if we can get this thing done, how do we move forward, how do we build a great stadium, how do we make St. Louis a better place for having a great venue?”

5. Clearly, Demoff served as Chief B.S.er in St. Louis, along with his duties as Vice President of Football Operations. And while were on the football side, Demoff also let this gem slip out at his presentation at Westlake-Harvard, via Turf Show Times:

“I will say, we’ve been really crappy in free agency. I’ve written a lot of bad deals. We just haven’t found a lot of success in free agency. And so I think there’s a buyer beware in all of that, in terms of going out and buying other people’s players, that we just haven’t figured out.”

There are clearly a lot of things that Demoff and the Rams haven’t figured out on the field, as evidenced by there historically poor performance over the last decade-plus. But for Demoff to admit that they aren’t being aggressive in free agency due, in part, to them not having the confidence to believe they are capable of getting it right… well… that is stunning.

I mean, everyone who’s followed the Rams in recent years realizes they aren’t getting it right and haven’t for some time, but for the team’s COO to admit that they are basically inept in regard to free agency is eye-opening and scary.

Best of luck with that, Los Angeles. You sure as heck will need it with Kroenke, Demoff and company at the helm.

6. Demoff’s presentation also revealed that when then Rams quarterback Sam Bradford was knocked out for the year in the preseason of 2014, that he welcomed a “distraction” from the on-field “trainwreck” that was likely to come.

I have to wonder what current players or former Rams like Chris Long or James Laurinaitis think knowing their top executive — and who knows who else in the organization or on the coaching staff — had given up on the season before it even started. I have to think they aren’t very appreciative of the thoughts.

Either way, the comments vividly show that Demoff possesses quite the loser’s mentality, giving up on his team before the season even began. What a competitive fighter to lead the organization from the top, right? And you wonder why the Rams haven’t had a winning season since 2003? With leadership like this, don’t much to change for the Rams on the field other than the stadium and the city the team plays within.

7. Along the same lines, Demoff essentially shared that he was thankful that the Rams fell out of the playoff race late in 2015 so that he could concentrate more on the franchise’s reLIEcation application.

What a slap in the face to the hard-working, paying customers buying tickets in St. Louis and the players who put their bodies on the lines on the gridiron. Yet another example of the classlessness at the top of the Rams organization.

8. With all of the above in mind, I wonder how many season ticket holders out there have emails from 2013-2015 from Demoff? I know that many do, as he was quite interactive with fans and media during many stretches. I would love to see ’em.

9. On another note, we would love to have your feedback on what you think of the N The Zone Show. Tweet @RealShaneGray, @thelegendkil, @TheATrainSTL or @NTheZoneShow to provide us with your feedback and we will try to respond to everyone’s thoughts and opinions.

10. Finally, a little late on this, but excited to see St. Louis land an NHL Winter Classic game for 2017 against the Chicago Blackhawks. The Blues and Cardinals worked in conjunction to bring this to pass. Good to have a couple of civic-minded professional organizations in town working together to bring great events to the STL.

Thanks for reading…

[Elvis]

JT from his chat:

I think Kroenke may have viewed moving to LA as a possible goal as soon as he took controlling interest in the team in 2010, but didn't know if he could get there. I do not, however, think that the team purposely tried to be mediocre.

by jthomas 4:25 PM yesterday

The reaction to the Harvard-Westlake video was predictable in some ways but also surprising to me on some levels. For one, we already knew about Kroenke finding the Inglewood site in the middle of 2013 and deciding this could be the place for an LA stadium. That was nothing new. I wrote about that about a week or so after the Houston vote. The backlash about "thankfully or unthankfully" going through the losing streak _ if you know Kevin that's part of his self-deprecating style of humor. So I didn't really read much into that. I did find it odd when Kevin said that calling the team the "St. Louis" Rams sounded odd to him. I know he was playing to the crowd, but really? Already? Again, hearing him say the LA Rams project was 2 1/2 years in the making flies in the face of the relocation guidelines, but we already knew where the league stands on them don't we? I did find it somewhat amazing when he said he and LA Times writer Sam Farmer "worked long and hard" on the project. That's not how my business is supposed to work. In summary, did Demoff help Kroenke's cause in terms of misleading the public and the media w/regard to relocation plans? No doubt. But now that the team is in LA, or almost in LA (in terms of physically moving) I don't believe it's something he thinks about. StL is totally in the rear-view mirror.

by jthomas 4:43 PM yesterday

[/zn/]

Does anyone outside of st. louis

I'm outside of St. Louis (and LA). I care what he said. Mostly because it got misinterpreted, including by some of the people defending him. So I care in this sense---I make an effort to see what he really meant, as opposed to how he got (mistakenly) taken. On a Rams board we're just always going to have interest in what the team president says (not his real title but you know what I mean.) Truth is, it would be very strange if no Rams fan anywhere cared about that.

There has to be a time, though, when as a group we stop dumping on St.L fans, even indirectly, and stop admonishing them ("butt hurt") and actually act like "RamsFansUNITED," which isn't supposed to be "LA fans singling out St. L fans who they believe deserve criticism." I am criticizing people, true, but for being exclusionary, or at least showing some traces of that impulse. I say welcome all.

So none of the remarks from St. Louis fans critical of the team bother me. I understand them. It was the same with LA fans when the Rams moved to St.L. A lot of us are nomads. We don't care where the team plays. Therefore turf wars over where the team plays strike most of us nomads as pointless and unnecessarily divisive.

Since "united" doesn't mean "homogeneous and conformist," but implies diversity (at least to me it does), then, all fans are welcome, and including those who are St.L fans who are critical of the move. That doesn't bother me in the least. Welcome everyone.

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[bubbaramfan]

I will welcome those St. Louis fans who ONLY blame Kroenke when they finally admit their city fathers, the RSA and the CVC are also to blame for the Rams moving back to LA. I'd like to hear some of them put some blame on Gov Nixon and the Task Force for leading them on and spending 16 mil when they knew damn well the Rams were not going to stay. Its hard for me to be "United" with a group that refuses to acknowledge the truth.

[Elvis]

Does anyone outside of st. louis

I'm outside of St. Louis (and LA). I care what he said. Mostly because it got misinterpreted, including by some of the people defending him. So I care in this sense---I make an effort to see what he really meant, as opposed to how he got (mistakenly) taken. On a Rams board we're just always going to have interest in what the team president says (not his real title but you know what I mean.) Truth is, it would be very strange if no Rams fan anywhere cared about that.

There has to be a time, though, when as a group we stop dumping on St.L fans, even indirectly, and stop admonishing them ("butt hurt") and actually act like "RamsFansUNITED," which isn't supposed to be "LA fans singling out St. L fans who they believe deserve criticism." I am criticizing people, true, but for being exclusionary, or at least showing some traces of that impulse. I say welcome all.

So none of the remarks from St. Louis fans critical of the team bother me. I understand them. It was the same with LA fans when the Rams moved to St.L. A lot of us are nomads. We don't care where the team plays. Therefore turf wars over where the team plays strike most of us nomads as pointless and unnecessarily divisive.

Since "united" doesn't mean "homogeneous and conformist," but implies diversity (at least to me it does), then, all fans are welcome, and including those who are St.L fans who are critical of the move. That doesn't bother me in the least. Welcome everyone.

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I hear you zn.

Personally i'm talking about people like Shane Gray and Randy Karraker.

Shane's doing what he can to encourage the folks in St. Louis to not be fans. He's taken to calling the Rams lambs and calling Kevin Demoff a scumbag. He's actively trolling Rams fans on Twitter. He's not a Rams fan. And in no way are we united with him.

Randy Karraker isn't too far behind.

And these aren't just fans who deserve some understanding, hurting because their team left. These are public people who claim to be journalists and have now made it their business to shit on the Rams.

They deserve our ridicule and scorn. I won't ask anyone to stop.

I've invited Shane to come here and defend/explain himself. I know he won't. (I wouldn't.)

But if he ever does it would at least be entertaining...