[BuiltRamTough]

Well Tennessee is sitting there at #1 twiddling their thumbs hoping to trade down.

If the LA Rams really want to make a splash for their new city, they could work out a deal and take Wentz.

But i'm hoping they'll act more like they have the last few years and look for value.

Plus, like i've said a million times, i doubt this regime could really develop and maximize a highly talented QB. I'd rather see them stick to what they do best...

Jumping from 15 to 1 is going to take a lot of ammunition.

From 15 to 4-8 is doable.

After free agency, mock drafts will look totally different. Mock drafts are fun to talk about now but things will change in a couple of weeks. What if the Browns sign an RG3/Bradford or Dallas/Philly signs a free agent.

I could see the Rams drafting a DE and singing a free agent QB.

I mean they did give Foles a contract.

Everything is so up in the air right now bc of
free agency.

The dominos will start falling as soon as Peyton Manning retires and the Broncos sign Brock etc.

[BuiltRamTough]

If you like Wentz, I say wait 3-4 years and he'll probably be available again w/o having to give up a draft pick.

But seriously, I'm not sold on the guy. Bradford and Manziel had great workouts. Tebow even sported a new and improved delivery in his workout. Workouts seemingly mean nothing.

Here's Bill Parcells' Four Rules for Drafting a QB:

1. He must be a senior, because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback.
2. He must be a graduate, because you want someone who takes his responsibilities seriously.
3. He must be a three-year starter, because you need to make sure his success wasn’t ephemeral and that he has lived as “the guy” for some period of time.
4. He must have at least 23 wins, because the big passing numbers must come in the context of winning games.

http://smartfootball.com/quarterbacking ... 7teet.dpbs

Wentz doesn't pass the last 2 parts.

Then there's the ancient 26-27-60 rule of thumb:

Call it the Rule of 26-27-60.

Here is the gist of it: If an NFL prospect scores at least a 26 on the Wonderlic test, starts at least 27 games in his college career and completes at least 60 percent of his passes, there's a good chance he will succeed at the NFL level.

http://www.si.com/more-sports/2010/07/08/qb-rule
More here: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/2/13/3 ... ck-success

I've got Wentz with 23 starts so he's short there.

Wentz has a career of 612 pass attempts. Ryan Tannehill was downgraded for his lack of experience and he had 774 career pass attempts at A&M -- arguably a "real" college football program -- with Mike Sherman -- arguably a decent NFL level coach. Wentz was where?

But, with all that being said, I agree with author Malcolm Gladwell:

There has also been a real effort by the folks over at Pro Football Outsiders to come up with a more useful algorithm for making quarterback selections. David Lewin’s “career forecast” zeroes in on career college starts and career college completion percentage as the best predictors of professional performance. I took the position in my essay “Most Likely to Succeed” that I didn’t think that quarterbacking (as opposed to other positions on the field) was predictable in this sense—that there is so much noise in the data, and so much variability between the college and professional games—that attempts at rationalizing draft day decisions have real limits. I’m still of that inclination.

http://gladwell.typepad.com/gladwellcom ... backs.html

So going back to something I said elsewhere, I'd probably have a better idea once I got the psych eval. on Wentz. But w/o the psych eval. and going off of the mega-incomplete picture that we have, I'll vote no on moving up to grab Wentz.

Haven't gotten around to Goff yet.

I get what you're saying but go watch a good amount of tape on Wentz and Goff on YouTube and come back to me.

[Hacksaw_64]

Just depends if they are a 100% sold on either one of them. If so, sure go up and get em. Personally, I am just fine with either Cook or Lynch. Any one of these 4 guys I think is a vast improvement over what we have on our roster.

[BuiltRamTough]

Just depends if they are a 100% sold on either one of them. If so, sure go up and get em. Personally, I am just fine with either Cook or Lynch. Any one of these 4 guys I think is a vast improvement over what we have on our roster.

We share a brain bro I love this!

[OldSchool]

Sorry not going to downgrade a guy because he sat as a freshman and sophmore behind the guy who won the FCS Championship and the MVP those 2 years. His game tape, his performance in the Senior Bowl and his performance at the combine tell me and it seems a lot of people that Wentz is a good QB all due respect to Bill Parcells and ancient rules of the thumbs.

[TSFH Fan]

I get what you're saying but go watch a good amount of tape on Wentz and Goff on YouTube and come back to me.

There's a whole lot of read option/zone read and shotgun snaps there for Wentz -- not quite the under-center, pro-system passer suggested by NFL.com. It's got to be fun running when you're the biggest guy on the field. Clean sightlines over short-ish, relatively speaking, DL too.

For everyone that sees Wentz as the greatest, cheers to you all!
I'll pass, thanks.

[BuiltRamTough]

I get what you're saying but go watch a good amount of tape on Wentz and Goff on YouTube and come back to me.

There's a whole lot of read option/zone read and shotgun snaps there for Wentz -- not quite the under-center, pro-system passer suggested by NFL.com. It's got to be fun running when you're the biggest guy on the field. Clean sightlines over short-ish, relatively speaking, DL too.

For everyone that sees Wentz as the greatest, cheers to you all!
I'll pass, thanks.

He's not a finished product. He's just a prospect just like most young QB's . The college game is different so it takes time to adjust.


Guys like Andrew Luck and John Elway are rare. Teams have no other choice to roll the dice on dudes. Look at Blake Bortles, he's seem legit and he's getting better each year.

[Indrid Cold]

Hell no is my answer. Just because everyone and their brother says Rams need a QB isn't a reason to bet the farm on one of these dudes. Snead has done has PPG QB study...how about getting the D to play up to its press clippings, instead of getting steamrolled by teams like WAS and CHI? The gap between the Rams D and the Den D is greater than the gap between Foles/Keenum and Goff/Wentz. Fill gaps that will result from FA or how bout some dudes that can block or catch? Only player I'd move up to get is Ronnie Stanley is he falls to 8-10 range.

[OldSchool]

Hell no is my answer. Just because everyone and their brother says Rams need a QB isn't a reason to bet the farm on one of these dudes. Snead has done has PPG QB study...how about getting the D to play up to its press clippings, instead of getting steamrolled by teams like WAS and CHI? The gap between the Rams D and the Den D is greater than the gap between Foles/Keenum and Goff/Wentz. Fill gaps that will result from FA or how bout some dudes that can block or catch? Only player I'd move up to get is Ronnie Stanley is he falls to 8-10 range.

I guess we'll agree to disagree on the QB situation but I will make one prediction for this upcoming draft. I say we at max draft 1 OLine and if we draft 1 it'll be a center to compete with Barnes if he's even resigned. GRob will start at LT again there's 0 chance they give up on him after 1 year of starting at LT and one training camp at LT.

[The Ripper]

Hell no is my answer. Just because everyone and their brother says Rams need a QB isn't a reason to bet the farm on one of these dudes. Snead has done has PPG QB study...how about getting the D to play up to its press clippings, instead of getting steamrolled by teams like WAS and CHI? The gap between the Rams D and the Den D is greater than the gap between Foles/Keenum and Goff/Wentz. Fill gaps that will result from FA or how bout some dudes that can block or catch? Only player I'd move up to get is Ronnie Stanley is he falls to 8-10 range.

I guess we'll agree to disagree on the QB situation but I will make one prediction for this upcoming draft. I say we at max draft 1 OLine and if we draft 1 it'll be a center to compete with Barnes if he's even resigned. GRob will start at LT again there's 0 chance they give up on him after 1 year of starting at LT and one training camp at LT.

OL is the priority. If they can give an average qb time in the pocket then they can win games and combine that with the run game makes the offense one that can compete with anyone. Take a tackle at 15 and then center with one of the two 2nd round picks.