[PARAM]

Hey... I get it.

Nah. I'm pretty sure you don't.

[ramsman34]

We can be pissed about losing to Detroit for as long as each of us wants. Bottom line is MCV needs to take a hard look at his Redzone schemes and figure out some new designs. Because defenses have figured him out there. It wasn’t just a problem against the Lions. I get it, it’s hard to score from there. But you can’t expect to go far by kicking Redzone field goals.

I hope he really looks hard at different personnel groupings as well as schemes and play calls. A lot will depend on who he actually has on offense next year. There will be changes for sure.

[Lancer]

Wasn’t this a criticism of his offense as well when he was in Washington?

[ramsman34]

Man. Just go watch all the good Redzone teams and still their shit. Watch some college offense and steal that too. Lord how hard can it be. Or, start treating the+ 30 as your Redzone and design 30 yard TD plays. You love passing so damn much. Sounds perfect. Ugh.

Yes I am talking to MCV, not other posters.

[/zn/]

Post mortem will reveal that the Rams lack of play calling and execution in the red zone was the death of the Rams 2023 season.

This has been a Rams issue the entire time McV has coached them. There was improvement in 2023 but in that game they relapsed.

There's actually a stat for that, here: Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only), https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/r ... coring-pct

According to that source, this is how the Rams ranked every year from 2017:
2017 - 17th
2018 - 18th
2019 - 6th
2020 - 19th
2021 - 16th
2022 - 14th
2023 - 8th

As you can see the only decent years were 2019 and 2023. But then, not in the Detroit game.

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[Elvis]

Offensive points scored (these rankings include the playoffs):

2017: 3rd
2018: 3rd
2019: 13th
2020: 23rd
2021: 6th
2022: 26th
2023: 7th

The years they scored a lot of points weren't necessarily the years they were good in the redzone and visa versa.

So yeah, get better in the redzone but in the end, doesn't really matter where you score from or correlate that great with overall scoring...

[Lancer]

The year the Rams won their most recent Super Bowl, they were not amazing in either of these categories.

Maybe some of this was due to strength of schedule?

Still, being good in both can show you are capable from striking anywhere on the field.

FWIW, Washington's Red Zone 2014-16, beginning when McVay was 1st promoted to OC (same site as referenced above):

2014 Washington-- 27th
2015 Washington-- 11th
2016 Washington-- 30th

[/zn/]

Offensive points scored (these rankings include the playoffs):

2017: 3rd
2018: 3rd
2019: 13th
2020: 23rd
2021: 6th
2022: 26th
2023: 7th

The years they scored a lot of points weren't necessarily the years they were good in the redzone and visa versa.

So yeah, get better in the redzone but in the end, doesn't really matter where you score from or correlate that great with overall scoring...

That's all true. They scored 2 TDs against the Lions and those were from further out. But IMO a weakness is a weakness, and the Rams had 3 chances in the RZ last Sunday, and they woulda won if they got a TD on one of them.

There are weaknesses where if you look it didn't impact the season overall, like 2021. But then--in the playoffs, it only has to have an impact once. As it happens Detroit and SF are ranked 1 and 2 in this stat. That taken by itself is not a make or break issue, but, it can getcha sometimes.

[rams74]

If the Rams want to be great in the red zone (really just inside the 10), they should bring in Kurt Warner and Larry Fitzgerald and have them throw the fade. That was as automatic as it gets. Everybody knew the 2008 Cardinals were going to run the fade inside the 10, and it didn't matter. Fitz out-jumped everybody to the ball, which Kurt placed perfectly every time.

I'm sure Matthew Stafford could become expert at that pass. The tricky part is finding somebody to play the Fitz role. Maybe Davis Allen? If there's not a leaper with great hands on the team, find one.

[Rams1PlateSince1976]

How did Mad Mike Martz fare in the Red Zone? My memory says pretty good and better than McVay.