[Elvis]

SPanos won't sell the Chargers, and he has no freakin interest in ST Louis...Denver owner WILL NOT seil the Broncos..Of course this idiot Florio doesn't even mention the most obvious option to Kroenke after burning ST Louis..He relies on no one to build Inglewod. IE, Stan gets permission to leave in their good graces, or he just leaves and sues the sheet out of the NFL for trying to make the Rams stay in a market that lured them with a false promies (1st Tier)

The story is ridiculous, so why did Florio write it. What was his motive? And who benefits from that story?

Answer those questions and we figure out who Florio's real master is.

Can't it be something more benign, like Florio is kind of an idiot but it's his job to write stories about this, so that's what he's doing?

[Elvis]

"Which brings us back to the outside-the-box-or-just-plain-kooky notion that a swap of the Rams and Chargers may be the only way to get this done. If Kroenke and Chargers owner Dean Spanos trade pink slips (and if Kroenke gives Spanos a huge pile of cash), Kroenke can take the Chargers to Inglewood and Spanos can become the new favorite son of St. Louis."

So let me get this straight. Spanos hates Kroenke so much that is pushing Carson just to block him, and even if that wont work he wont entertain sharing the Inglewood stadium with him and his Chargers.
So in light of that hatred, he'll trade franchises, let Stan take his Chargers and let them be uber succesfull in shiny LA while Deano moves to St Louis???
Who the hell comes up with this stuff??
Man, its like, did you ever have a really cool dream and then when you woke up and tried to explain it, it made absolutely no sense??

This franchise swap between Spanos really has to be the dumbest thing i've heard, and there's a lot of really stupid stuff that's out there.

To start with, wouldn't they both be nailed with huge capital gains if they swapped?

2nd, in what universe is owning the Rams in St. Louis better than owning the Chargers in San Diego, let alone L.A.? Why would Spanos do this?

[bubbaramfan]

Writing is on the wall. Rams to LA, Chargers and Raiders stay put. Kroenke put enough underlying verbege in his relocation stance to remind the owners they signed on to St. Louis and egreed to the top tier clause, and he WILL take them all to court if they don't approve.

Stan Kroenke just gave the owners and St. Louis his ace up his sleeve.

[Stranger]

SPanos won't sell the Chargers, and he has no freakin interest in ST Louis...Denver owner WILL NOT seil the Broncos..Of course this idiot Florio doesn't even mention the most obvious option to Kroenke after burning ST Louis..He relies on no one to build Inglewod. IE, Stan gets permission to leave in their good graces, or he just leaves and sues the sheet out of the NFL for trying to make the Rams stay in a market that lured them with a false promies (1st Tier)

The story is ridiculous, so why did Florio write it. What was his motive? And who benefits from that story?

Answer those questions and we figure out who Florio's real master is.

Can't it be something more benign, like Florio is kind of an idiot but it's his job to write stories about this, so that's what he's doing?

Possibly. But that seems to always be the default reaction - stupidity over agenda. I always like to explore the agenda angle first, at least to see if I can uncover a plausible explanation. If I can't, then I return to the stupidity answer.

[dieterbrock]

Writing is on the wall. Rams to LA, Chargers and Raiders stay put. Kroenke put enough underlying verbege in his relocation stance to remind the owners they signed on to St. Louis and egreed to the top tier clause, and he WILL take them all to court if they don't approve.

Stan Kroenke just gave the owners and St. Louis his ace up his sleeve.

Well one thing that I think (and cant prove) is that the Raiders, (IE Davis) can be bought. I never got the idea that they wanted to leave, just couldnt afford to stay. Well, maybe some greenbacks will help the cause....

[dieterbrock]

This franchise swap between Spanos really has to be the dumbest thing i've heard, and there's a lot of really stupid stuff that's out there.

To start with, wouldn't they both be nailed with huge capital gains if they swapped?

2nd, in what universe is owning the Rams in St. Louis better than owning the Chargers in San Diego, let alone L.A.? Why would Spanos do this?

3rd, how is he hurting Stan by having him take the Chargers to his palace in LA instead of the Rams??

[Elvis]

This franchise swap between Spanos really has to be the dumbest thing i've heard, and there's a lot of really stupid stuff that's out there.

To start with, wouldn't they both be nailed with huge capital gains if they swapped?

2nd, in what universe is owning the Rams in St. Louis better than owning the Chargers in San Diego, let alone L.A.? Why would Spanos do this?

3rd, how is he hurting Stan by having him take the Chargers to his palace in LA instead of the Rams??

I know.

I offered this as a joke a while back, can't believe anyone thinks it could be serious.

Dean gets everything he wants: Chargers in L.A, Rams in St. Louis, sure he's in St. Louis with the Rams, but c'mon Dean...

[dieterbrock]

This franchise swap between Spanos really has to be the dumbest thing i've heard, and there's a lot of really stupid stuff that's out there.

To start with, wouldn't they both be nailed with huge capital gains if they swapped?

2nd, in what universe is owning the Rams in St. Louis better than owning the Chargers in San Diego, let alone L.A.? Why would Spanos do this?

3rd, how is he hurting Stan by having him take the Chargers to his palace in LA instead of the Rams??

I know.

I offered this as a joke a while back, can't believe anyone thinks it could be serious.

Dean gets everything he wants: Chargers in L.A, Rams in St. Louis, sure he's in St. Louis with the Rams, but c'mon Dean...

And dont forget the "boatload of cash" he gets as well.
Imagine what the IRS would do with a check for say 500 million from Kroenke direct to Dean?? Good grief

[Elvis]

http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2016/1/6/1 ... ol-jerkwad

Stan Kroenke Is A Jerk. It May Upset You, But It Shouldn't Surprise You.

by 3k



Stan Kroenke is doing what Stan Kroenke has to do to give him the best chances to gain the approval to move the Rams to Los Angeles, even if it means alienating the community he supported for decades.

Perhaps you heard last night that the St. Louis Rams and owner Stan Kroenke had some less than praiseworthy offerings regarding the city of St. Louis in their official filing to relocate the team to Los Angeles (the full filing is available here).

It is, of course, largely bullshit as this piece from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch's Ben Fredrickson rebuts. The central problem is that Kroenke and the filing relies less on the strength of relocation and more on the supposed insufficiency of St. Louis as a NFL market.

It's filled with the kind of asides and statements we've seen from lazy and/or somewhat unintellectual members of the media. And while social media was filled with the more emotional responses from St. Louisans (or this USA Today story that called him "the Benedict Arnold of St. Louis) ...it's exactly what Stan Kroenke had to do.

The Daily Beast haschronicled the story from back in 2004 when Inglewood "wouldn’t exempt Wal-Mart from the zoning and environmental regulations" at the site of Kroenke's proposed stadium. Jim Thomas, at the P-D, revealed that as far back as 2013, San Diego Chargers Owner Dean Spanos had actually offered interest in "pairing up" with Kroenke at the Inglewood site, but Kroenke went solo:

In 2013, Spanos approached Kroenke about pairing up on the Inglewood/Hollywood Park site, according to league sources speaking on the condition of anonymity. It’s the same general area the Oakland Raiders and even the NFL itself had previously considered as a stadium site.

Initially, Kroenke was not aware the 60-acre tract owned by Wal-Mart was available, according to sources. In any event, Spanos didn’t hear back from Kroenke for weeks. Spanos later learned that Kroenke had excluded Spanos and purchased the land himself.

With that in mind, it’s difficult to imagine Spanos wishing to now join forces with Kroenke in Inglewood.

At every step of the process, Kroenke has isolated himself from potential allies as well as potential competitors to go it alone on the LA front.

So it shouldn't surprise anyone that the Rams' relocation filing burned any and all bridges with the city of St. Louis. We can dispense with the fact that Kroenke and Rams Chief Operating Officer Kevin Demoff have obliterated their previous statements praising the St. Louis market.

Kroenke cornered himself into having to go all in on heading to Los Angeles and trashing St. Louis in the process.

So with NFL ownership set to convene next week to hold a vote on the relocation issue with the Rams, Chargers and Oakland Raiders having all filed to move, St. Louis fans would do well to take a note from Kroenke's business handbook.

Ignore him. Offer him silence.

Bear in mind, the new pariah of St. Louis is the same billionaire the city of St. Louis is willing to give $400m of taxpayer money to to convince him to stay...

Now that many of the emotions have subsided a bit and given way to clearer heads, perhaps we'll a city less motivated by revenge fantasies of a spurned partner and more by a community willing to play the game with whomever is willing to face off against them.

Remember, this is an owner who expected some jack out of the market in the first place. Now that the city is willing to pony up $400m worth of jack at a time when wealth is concentrating at the absolute top strata more than at any time in the last 50 years, don't expect Kroenke to come back to St. Louis with a Coke and a smile.

Random note in closing? The St. Louis Business Journal, which has that 50-year wealth piece, published the St. Louis market survey conducted back in May. Their reaction piece, published in July, summing up some of the more negative assessments of the St. Louis market was mysteriously pulled from the site. We contacted the Journal to see why and received a two-word reply from Editor Patricia Miller, saying simply: "Technical glitch."

The piece was never republished.

We contacted another source at the journal to seek clarification. Their response to our question as to why the piece was pulled and not republished?

That's a question for management. All I can tell you is it was factual.

St. Louis doesn't need to get mad at Stan Kroenke for playing his hand. They just need to be prepared to play theirs.

It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business.

[Stranger]

Stan Kroenke Is A Jerk. It May Upset You, But It Shouldn't Surprise You.

If you don't create and manage your brand, others will create it for you. That would be the ONLY mistake I can see that Stan has made, and is making. I prefer his approach to just go about business without a lot of noise, but in this case, hiring a professional PR team would have helped immendsely.