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 by dieterbrock
9 years 6 months ago
 Total posts:   11512  
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United States of America   New Jersey
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OldSchool wrote:
dieterbrock wrote:
OldSchool wrote:
The other owners have the taxes as income. St. Louis being special was calling it their income. At least that's my impression from hearing Grubman talk about it.

Nope, its a tax paid to the city for the events.
All events are subject to it whether its an NFL game or the circus
Its not indigenous to the Rams or the NFL for that matter

Grubman said a couple times though, most recently on Bernies radio show, that the NFL considers the revenue from games theirs and it's been planned that way in other recent stadium planning.

Revenues yes. This is a tax. The amusement tax is paid to the city.
This is how the NFL postures it to be pubic money. They get the 100 mill in lieu of collecting the tax

 by Elvis
9 years 6 months ago
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United States of America   Los Angeles
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It's pretty insane that the NFL thinks the amusement tax should be theirs.

As i've said before why not claim that income tax paid by their players should be the NFL's?

If this, probably imaginary, extra 100 million is just an increase in the G4 money, isn't that on the owner?

 by Hacksaw
9 years 6 months ago
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United States of America   AT THE BEACH
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Didn't the StL committee just move to the final vote factoring in that $100M. The NFL is making it way to easy on StL. This is a bunch of smoke.

If I had to guess, they are giving the impression they have done everything they can and then some to avoid legal issues after the Rams up and move.

Friday is the Boa vote. That approval should be the last bit of good news for them up to the league decision,, or at all.
Friday is also the day after the Rams last home game this season (or ever),, and afterwards ESK may become more opaque.

 by dieterbrock
9 years 6 months ago
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 Joined:  Mar 31 2015
United States of America   New Jersey
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Elvis wrote:It's pretty insane that the NFL thinks the amusement tax should be theirs.

As i've said before why not claim that income tax paid by their players should be the NFL's?

If this, probably imaginary, extra 100 million is just an increase in the G4 money, isn't that on the owner?

Right. Why not take the sales tax while they're at it.

 by Hacksaw
9 years 6 months ago
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United States of America   AT THE BEACH
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What about that meeting? The LsPnoa committee reached out to StL task force and suggested kicking in the other $100M (still don't know what happened to the other $75M) but Peacock said that it wasn't a sure thing as it has to pass NFL sun committees. Yet the StL BoA had discussions and sent the package to the full board with that lose end. That makes it potentially easier for them to pass but it is nothing more than words.
How on earth is this move substantial enough to and how can an impartial
NFL committee make such a claim?

Mr Kroenke is either a puf or he is about to begin his campaign after tonight's game.
I hope to see anti StLoo articles start coming out tomorrow.

 by The Ripper
9 years 6 months ago
 Total posts:   494  
 Joined:  May 13 2015
United States of America   Naples, FL
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dieterbrock wrote:
Elvis wrote:It's pretty insane that the NFL thinks the amusement tax should be theirs.

As i've said before why not claim that income tax paid by their players should be the NFL's?

If this, probably imaginary, extra 100 million is just an increase in the G4 money, isn't that on the owner?

Right. Why not take the sales tax while they're at it.


BS. The amusement tax is waived for both the Cardinals and the Blues so yes it's money right out of the Rams pocket. Sales tax has absolutely nothing to do with what the NFL is talking about. It's special taxes on the teams revenues and not on every business in the city. The hot dog tax or concessions taxes are just on game day revenues not for buying a hot dog at 7 11. Regular income taxes are fine but what's not, is the Sports and Entertainers taxes that multiple states charge.

 by Elvis
9 years 6 months ago
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United States of America   Los Angeles
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The Ripper wrote:The amusement tax is waived for both the Cardinals and the Blues


So who's paying this tax?

This business of the amusement tax has never made sense to me, pretty sure i still don't understand it.

 by The Ripper
9 years 6 months ago
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United States of America   Naples, FL
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Elvis wrote:
The Ripper wrote:The amusement tax is waived for both the Cardinals and the Blues


So who's paying this tax?

This business of the amusement tax has never made sense to me, pretty sure i still don't understand it.


The Rams currently pay the tax. It's very hard to understand because these taxes are convoluted and discriminatory.

Look at it this way with something that's a little easier to understand.

Chrysler wants to build a plant in a state and then because of the tax incentives given to Chrysler the state decides to charge taxes on auto services. The taxes are charged only at Chrysler dealerships not Ford, GM or at any other bushiness that provides auto repairs. Some services such as oil changes have a set price, the service tax lowers their revenues because the price is set by the market and they don't have the ability to raise prices to offset the tax.

 by Stranger
9 years 6 months ago
 Total posts:   3213  
 Joined:  Aug 12 2015
United States of America   Norcal
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The Ripper wrote:
Elvis wrote:
The Ripper wrote:The amusement tax is waived for both the Cardinals and the Blues


So who's paying this tax?

This business of the amusement tax has never made sense to me, pretty sure i still don't understand it.


The Rams currently pay the tax. It's very hard to understand because these taxes are convoluted and discriminatory.

Look at it this way with something that's a little easier to understand.

Chrysler wants to build a plant in a state and then because of the tax incentives given to Chrysler the state decides to charge taxes on auto services. The taxes are charged only at Chrysler dealerships not Ford, GM or at any other bushiness that provides auto repairs. Some services such as oil changes have a set price, the service tax lowers their revenues because the price is set by the market and they don't have the ability to raise prices to offset the tax.


Didn't we fight a war approx 250 years ago to break free from all of the ridiculous techniques of oppression and interference that we've now let creep back into our lives?

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