[Hacksaw_64]

Precisely.

If we're going to get a good QB, we absolutely have to ALSO change HC's, because no kid is going to succeed in a Fisher offense.

Maybe, maybe not. I not defending Fisher. But when did we actually have a good QB? Marc Bulger?

Or, you could say the last time we had a good QB was when we had a coach who understood how to run an offense and how to develop a QB. Martz gets a lot of criticism for being a QB killer, but at least his QB's experienced successful offensive production.

We don't really know, but how would Bradford have turned out had he been developed under Martz? I really wonder.

Right now I don't care If Bill Walsh was the coach, nobody is going to be successful with our current QB situation. I think you can trace a lot of our problems when we went from Martz to Linehan.

[Stranger]

Maybe, maybe not. I not defending Fisher. But when did we actually have a good QB? Marc Bulger?

Or, you could say the last time we had a good QB was when we had a coach who understood how to run an offense and how to develop a QB. Martz gets a lot of criticism for being a QB killer, but at least his QB's experienced successful offensive production.

We don't really know, but how would Bradford have turned out had he been developed under Martz? I really wonder.

Right now I don't care If Bill Walsh was the coach, nobody is going to be successful with our current QB situation. I think you can trace a lot of our problems when we went from Martz to Linehan.

Yup, agreed.

I guess what I'm saying is that we need to change BOTH HC & QB in order to have a successful offense.

[Hacksaw_64]

Or, you could say the last time we had a good QB was when we had a coach who understood how to run an offense and how to develop a QB. Martz gets a lot of criticism for being a QB killer, but at least his QB's experienced successful offensive production.

We don't really know, but how would Bradford have turned out had he been developed under Martz? I really wonder.

Right now I don't care If Bill Walsh was the coach, nobody is going to be successful with our current QB situation. I think you can trace a lot of our problems when we went from Martz to Linehan.

Yup, agreed.

I guess what I'm saying is that we need to change BOTH HC & QB in order to have a successful offense.

I think the right QB has much more impact on an offense than any HC would ever have. For instance, if we happened to have Ben Rothlesberger as our QB we might not be having this Fisher discussion at all.

[Stranger]

Right now I don't care If Bill Walsh was the coach, nobody is going to be successful with our current QB situation. I think you can trace a lot of our problems when we went from Martz to Linehan.

Yup, agreed.

I guess what I'm saying is that we need to change BOTH HC & QB in order to have a successful offense.

I think the right QB has much more impact on an offense than any HC would ever have. For instance, if we happened to have Ben Rothlesberger as our QB we might not be having this Fisher discussion at all.

ok, now that's where I am going to disagree. I think this coaching staff would squash Kurt Warner.

[Hacksaw_64]

Yup, agreed.

I guess what I'm saying is that we need to change BOTH HC & QB in order to have a successful offense.

I think the right QB has much more impact on an offense than any HC would ever have. For instance, if we happened to have Ben Rothlesberger as our QB we might not be having this Fisher discussion at all.

ok, now that's where I am going to disagree. I think this coaching staff would squash Kurt Warner.

No way I've seen way too many plays left on the field this year due to inept QB play. WAY TOO MANY. It's an entirely different season with a top QB. That's warts included.

Anyways, at least we agree that we need a new QB. I don't think Boras is this answer as OC. I don't think he's keeps the job at the start of next year either.

[Stranger]

Fisher has no idea how to evaluate an OC, nor does he have any idea how to evaluate QB talent, nor does he have any idea how to strategically design a modern NFL offense.

I just can't see anyway this team succeeds under Fisher any longer, assuming one qualifies success as more than 9 wins and deep playoff run.

[Hacksaw_64]

Fisher has no idea how to evaluate an OC, nor does he have any idea how to evaluate QB talent, nor does he have any idea how to strategically design a modern NFL offense.

I just can't see anyway this team succeeds under Fisher any longer, assuming one qualifies success as more than 9 wins and deep playoff run.

I don't think he really has any input on the design playbook of the offense. He's going to be forced to break from his philisophical approach on OC's if he wants to stick around.

[SWAdude]

Fisher has no idea how to evaluate an OC, nor does he have any idea how to evaluate QB talent, nor does he have any idea how to strategically design a modern NFL offense.

I just can't see anyway this team succeeds under Fisher any longer, assuming one qualifies success as more than 9 wins and deep playoff run.

I don't think he really has any input on the design playbook of the offense. He's going to be forced to break from his philisophical approach on OC's if he wants to stick around.

I am thinking more Fisher has to change his philosophical approach on offense so he can choose a workable OC.

[Stranger]

Fisher has no idea how to evaluate an OC, nor does he have any idea how to evaluate QB talent, nor does he have any idea how to strategically design a modern NFL offense.

I just can't see anyway this team succeeds under Fisher any longer, assuming one qualifies success as more than 9 wins and deep playoff run.

I don't think he really has any input on the design playbook of the offense. He's going to be forced to break from his philisophical approach on OC's if he wants to stick around.

I'd really really love to see Fisher transform. But I don't think he's another Dick Vermeil. I don't think he has the personality to realize his own failing, and to hand over total control to someone else.

Perhaps I'm wrong. But I think Vermeil is a unique, in a positive way, human being. Fisher doesn't strike me as having very many appealing qualities.

But then again, I'm totally soured on the coach, and have been since the 49er game last season.

[Hacksaw_64]

Fisher has no idea how to evaluate an OC, nor does he have any idea how to evaluate QB talent, nor does he have any idea how to strategically design a modern NFL offense.

I just can't see anyway this team succeeds under Fisher any longer, assuming one qualifies success as more than 9 wins and deep playoff run.

I don't think he really has any input on the design playbook of the offense. He's going to be forced to break from his philisophical approach on OC's if he wants to stick around.

I'd really really love to see Fisher transform. But I don't think he's another Dick Vermeil. I don't think he has the personality to realize his own failing, and to hand over total control to someone else.

Perhaps I'm wrong. But I think Vermeil is a unique, in a positive way, human being. Fisher doesn't strike me as having very many appealing qualities.

But then again, I'm totally soured on the coach, and have been since the 49er game last season.

great post

I think things are so bad Fisher may just see the "light". Either way it will be the defining moment in his career. Along with who the Rams select at QB, if he remains the HC next year.