[Elvis]

Make changes as long as you know how to. Don't start trying to be something you aren't or you might just fail miserably.

So, given this, how does Fisher change-out of our current condition? Is it possible?

Hand over the reigns to a qualified OC and let him run the O with little input from Fish would seem the only way. Snead makes the right hire. If both things happen then there could be some improvement. Big IF though.

Obviously that method worked great with Vermeil and Martz.

But it didn't work so well when Linehan brought in Al Saunders or when Spags brought in McD.

it's not just Fisher's offensive philosophy, it's his whole game philosophy.

Nobody runs less plays than the Rams. And that's no accident. So far we're running 50 a game. NE is running 70 a game. That's part of Fisher's philosophy to shorten the game.

But this sort of strategy magnifies, for example, the drop by Kendricks. Not every play works. Receivers drop passes, QB's miss throws, defenders make plays. If you only give yourself one or two opportunities to make a big play, by design, you're limiting your chances to succeed.

I don't blame Kendricks nearly as much as i blame the Rams offense for, by design, giving the Rams so few opportunities to succeed.

Fisher believes this approach is good for his defense and for his chances to win. He might be right about the defense but it sure hasn't started showing up in the win column, not yet anyway...

[dieterbrock]

I just wish Fisher would pay more attention to the old fashion notion of having a starting TE that can block now and then.

Harkey can block....

Many peopl point to Cook as a problem because of his bloated contract. But Kendricks to me is the bigger issue. He drops as many as he catches, makes dumb penalties and his blocking has gotten significantly worse over the years.
I've been a huge supporter of Cook but man, he looks less interested in the game than I would look at a Justin Bieber concert

[Hacksaw]

So, given this, how does Fisher change-out of our current condition? Is it possible?

Hand over the reigns to a qualified OC and let him run the O with little input from Fish would seem the only way. Snead makes the right hire. If both things happen then there could be some improvement. Big IF though.

Obviously that method worked great with Vermeil and Martz.

But it didn't work so well when Linehan brought in Al Saunders or when Spags brought in McD.

it's not just Fisher's offensive philosophy, it's his whole game philosophy.

Nobody runs less plays than the Rams. And that's no accident. So far we're running 50 a game. NE is running 70 a game. That's part of Fisher's philosophy to shorten the game.

But this sort of strategy magnifies, for example, the drop by Kendricks. Not every play works. Receivers drop passes, QB's miss throws, defenders make plays. If you only give yourself one or two opportunities to make a big play, by design, you're limiting your chances to succeed.

I don't blame Kendricks nearly as much as i blame the Rams offense for, by design, giving the Rams so few opportunities to succeed.

Fisher believes this approach is good for his defense and for his chances to win. He might be right about the defense but it sure hasn't started showing up in the win column, not yet anyway...

You bring up some very solid points Elvis. The magnification of each play is heightened by the number of plays attempted.
I agree with that but I believe the reason he does it is to limit our opponents offensive plays creating the same problem for them.
Got to move the chains though or it won't work. Gotta catch the ball when it hits in the hands to move the chains.

[Stranger]

And can't have drive killing penalties either.

[Gareth]

You bring up some very solid points Elvis. The magnification of each play is heightened by the number of plays attempted.
I agree with that but I believe the reason he does it is to limit our opponents offensive plays creating the same problem for them.
Got to move the chains though or it won't work. Gotta catch the ball when it hits in the hands to move the chains.

You are making my earlier point about how Fisher tries to make the game a coin flip. By shortening the game, he's saying his team isn't good enough to assert its will and beat you in the long haul. If we shorten the game, we might just win.

Let's take it to the extreme. If you shorten the game to just a series or two (or even a play or two), clearly the winner becomes more 50/50.

It's a loser's mentality being proven out by all the losing.

[Hacksaw]

I have a feeling that Fisher would love to control the ball on all day. That's the style he likes and the one that will burn clock. Martz could score on you in 5 seconds putting a lot of pressure on the defense. There is a balance and I do not believe that Fisher is too scared to give the office to many plays. He just wants to control the ball not giving the other guy the opportunity. We are basically saying the same thing but I just don't quite agree about fishers motivation

[Stranger]

Remember folks, Martz beat Fisher in the SuperBowl. Both systems were on display, and while it was close, Martz prevailed.

[TSFH Fan]

And remember Belichick beat Martz in the Super Bowl with timely offense at the end of the game. While it was close, Belichick prevailed. And then Coughlin beat Belichick's offensive juggernaut a few years later with a super defensive effort. Both systems were on display, and while it was close, Coughlin prevailed.

So we just got to get a Belichick offensive coach together with a Coughlin defensive coach and we'll be unstoppable.
Wait, what the F about 2-14!?!?

I said UNSTOPPABLE!!


heh, just messin', man. No offense intended.

[TSFH Fan]

I just wish Fisher would pay more attention to the old fashion notion of having a starting TE that can block now and then.

Harkey can block....

Many peopl point to Cook as a problem because of his bloated contract. But Kendricks to me is the bigger issue. He drops as many as he catches, makes dumb penalties and his blocking has gotten significantly worse over the years.
I've been a huge supporter of Cook but man, he looks less interested in the game than I would look at a Justin Bieber concert

The San Diego game last year was when it finally hit me about LK's hands. His monster blast against the Cards made me forget about his hands for the past months. I don't know if he's a bigger issue, but yeah, he's probably an issue.

At the very least, I think the TE depth chart needs to be shuffled. Starting Harkey would work for me.

We only have 3 f'ing TE's on this team, one that can't/won't block, one with problem hands, and Harkey -- I got no problem with blaming Fish for this.