[whitedk57]

I don't know about life and death, but with regard to taxes, in 10 days time you can ask the president of the United States of America about cheating on his taxes. He's given himself a dislocated shoulder patting himself on the back for that. A large number of Americans and Russians elected him president despite his predilection for cheating.

But I digress. You're right, cheating in sports isn't the same thing. It is, or should be, more sacrosanct.

Whoa!!! Let's keep politics out of this... Besides, the alternative is a killer. Killer vs Cheater??? But I digress as well...

[rams74]

Whoa!!! Let's keep politics out of this... Besides, the alternative is a killer. Killer vs Cheater??? But I digress as well...

Yeah, I apologize for that. The cheating on taxes thing made me think it might be funny to point that out. I don't usually go that route. Again, sorry about that.

[Haden]

Lucifer is probably avail and could give us a winning season. Why dont we just hire him?

What's his phone number?

[Elvis]

Trust me if he's available, he's already got a gig...

[Stranger]

Whoa!!! Let's keep politics out of this... Besides, the alternative is a killer. Killer vs Cheater??? But I digress as well...

I'll take the "Americanist" over the "Globalist"

[PARAM]

Wow!!! The righteousness is over powering!!! When a WR traps a ball instead of making a clean catch but comes up trying to make it look legit, is it cheating? If these fellows so bothered by cheating are consistent, it is. If an offensive lineman knowingly holds a defender, is it cheating if he isn't flagged? If a DB arrives a split second too early or grabs a WR is it cheating? Or if a WR blocks while setting a pick in a combination route is that cheating?

Come on fellows, HItler? Really. Lucifer? You're equating maintaining a competetive edge through slightly nefarious means (with respect to the rules of a GAME) the equivalent of human rights violations, murder and devil worship? Get real will ya. I've yet to see an athlete stand up and tell the umpire or referee they erred in their call and admit they didn't really make the play. Geesh!!! It's good to know there are people out there who fart and never blame it on the dog!

[dieterbrock]

Wow!!! The righteousness is over powering!!! When a WR traps a ball instead of making a clean catch but comes up trying to make it look legit, is it cheating? If these fellows so bothered by cheating are consistent, it is. If an offensive lineman knowingly holds a defender, is it cheating if he isn't flagged? If a DB arrives a split second too early or grabs a WR is it cheating? Or if a WR blocks while setting a pick in a combination route is that cheating?

Come on fellows, HItler? Really. Lucifer? You're equating maintaining a competetive edge through slightly nefarious means (with respect to the rules of a GAME) the equivalent of human rights violations, murder and devil worship? Get real will ya. I've yet to see an athlete stand up and tell the umpire or referee they erred in their call and admit they didn't really make the play. Geesh!!! It's good to know there are people out there who fart and never blame it on the dog!

Funny right? And yet we love to hear the stories from the Conrad Dobler's of the world and the Artie Donovan's embellishing all they could do to win. And we laugh at the Don Sutton's who talk about how they used everything they could to mark up a baseball.
The minute the shoe is on the other foot....

[Stranger]

Wow!!! The righteousness is over powering!!! When a WR traps a ball instead of making a clean catch but comes up trying to make it look legit, is it cheating? If these fellows so bothered by cheating are consistent, it is. If an offensive lineman knowingly holds a defender, is it cheating if he isn't flagged? If a DB arrives a split second too early or grabs a WR is it cheating? Or if a WR blocks while setting a pick in a combination route is that cheating?

Come on fellows, HItler? Really. Lucifer? You're equating maintaining a competetive edge through slightly nefarious means (with respect to the rules of a GAME) the equivalent of human rights violations, murder and devil worship? Get real will ya. I've yet to see an athlete stand up and tell the umpire or referee they erred in their call and admit they didn't really make the play. Geesh!!! It's good to know there are people out there who fart and never blame it on the dog!

We're talking about organized, planned and pre-meditated deception & rule breaking over an extended period of time. This wasn't isolated incidents, this was the coordinated action of many to enrich themselves at the expense of others. Yeah, I have a problem with that.

And Vrabel, given the position he was in during SB36, had to be someone who clearly understood that the Cheatriots has stolen the Rams play signals, and used this to their D's advantage.

I've love to hear what Marshall has to say about this possible HC selection? And what about the rest of the GSOT players on the offensive side of the ball? Several have now spoken about how they were openly talking during the game that the Cheatriots knew our plays. (Recall that Martz had to draw up on the sidelines a 4th & Goal at the 1 Play in order to score)

This whole line of discussion is a smack in the face to one of the greatest periods in Rams history, and people just want to forget for some short term and present fulfillment in the form of a few more games won.

[PARAM]

We're talking about organized, planned and pre-meditated deception & rule breaking over an extended period of time. This wasn't isolated incidents, this was the coordinated action of many to enrich themselves at the expense of others. Yeah, I have a problem with that.

And Vrabel, given the position he was in during SB36, had to be someone who clearly understood that the Cheatriots has stolen the Rams play signals, and used this to their D's advantage.

I've love to hear what Marshall has to say about this possible HC selection? And what about the rest of the GSOT players on the offensive side of the ball? Several have now spoken about how they were openly talking during the game that the Cheatriots knew our plays. (Recall that Martz had to draw up on the sidelines a 4th & Goal at the 1 Play in order to score)

This whole line of discussion is a smack in the face to one of the greatest periods in Rams history, and people just want to forget for some short term and present fulfillment in the form of a few more games won.

Yeah, we're talking about cheating, different degrees of cheating and whether or not it's part of the game or part of sports. I say it is. Some say there's no place for it. I'd agree winning "fair and square" is the most admirable thing to accomplish. Stealing signals? It's done all the time in both football and baseball. It's part of the game. If you're going to have secreet signals, then I'm welcome to try and figure them out. If I'm going to have secret signals, you're welcome to try and figure them out. If I'm holding your best offensive weapon and it's not called by the officials, complain to the officials about it, not me. Filming walk throughs, screwing with air pressure and filming signals during other games is BS. It shouldn't have been disciplined by fines and draft picks (in Belichick's case) but rather lengthly suspensions and fines and draft picks. That's the only way to get at a coach, suspend him. But still, the Rams should have still won that game despite all the Pats did illegally to prevent it.

Based on the Patriots past, McDaniels and Patricia coming from the "Cheatreots" to coach the humble, heavenly Los Angeles Rams so they shouldn't be considered? Hogwash! Patricia was in Syracuse in 2001 and didn't join the Patriots until 2004. McDaniels was a personnel assistant in 2001, his first job in the NFL. Vrabel was a player, who I doubt had anything to do with filming the Rams Red Zone walkthrough.

But beyond that, I'm really tired of Ram fans blaming the Patriots for ruining the coronation as the Greatest Team Ever. We were a cocky, over confident team and I believe some of them thought all they had to do was show up to claim their 2nd Lombardi Trophy. And despite all of the things that went wrong, they almost got it anyway! I blame those guys for missing the coronation. The picks, the fumble, the way after fighting back at the end to tie it, they didn't believe the Patriots would let a first year starter take chances by passing the ball before overtime. New England's cheating was just a small part of that whole cluster fook.

"A slap in the face of one of the greatest parts of Rams history"? No, those guys weren't nearly as professional enough or hungry enought to see it though. It had very little to do with cheating. There's a commercial I see occasionally that starts in a locker room with a group of 1930s-era football players, dressed much like the Princeton Tigers of that era talking about "giving them the old 1-2" and "winning"...."fair and square". Then they run out of the tunnel and meet the 21st century Philadelphia Eagles looking big, mean and nasty. They run back into the locker room, apparently realizing the "old 1-2" and "fair and square" aren't going to help them. I think some of you guys might like everything about that commercial except the ending. I like it because it shows a time that just doesn't exist anymore. Competitive edge is so gray and covers sooooo much.

[rams74]

But beyond that, I'm really tired of Ram fans blaming the Patriots for ruining the coronation as the Greatest Team Ever. We were a cocky, over confident team and I believe some of them thought all they had to do was show up to claim their 2nd Lombardi Trophy. And despite all of the things that went wrong, they almost got it anyway! I blame those guys for missing the coronation. The picks, the fumble, the way after fighting back at the end to tie it, they didn't believe the Patriots would let a first year starter take chances by passing the ball before overtime. New England's cheating was just a small part of that whole cluster fook.

"A slap in the face of one of the greatest parts of Rams history"? No, those guys weren't nearly as professional enough or hungry enought to see it though. It had very little to do with cheating.

The Rams were 14-2 that season. They were the best team in the league. In the playoffs, they intercepted Brett Favre 6 times in a rout, and even outsmarted the Jim Johnson Philadelphia Eagles' vaunted defense. They darn well better be cocky and confident going into the Super Bowl. I want them to be those things.

Were they over-confident? Were they too cocky? Yeah, I suppose they were, but that can be a fine line.

Were they unprepared for New England's strategies and tactics that day? Yes, they absolutely were. That falls on the head coach. The Rams made an enormous adjustment at halftime of the NFC Championship game to beat the Eagles. They did not adjust to the Patriots' physical tactics during the Super Bowl. Again, adjustments fall on the head coach.

Nevertheless, it was a possession game and went down to the last second. Did the Patriots' foreknowledge of the Rams plays and gameplan make a difference in a game like that? You know it did. You're just saying that doesn't matter. It does matter.