[AltiTude Ram]

As I recall, John and Mike were very close back in the day ... I can see that happening ...

Then again he could be pissed that Shanahan's steakhouse rates better than Elway's.

[Knowloss]

Good points, and I agree with not wanting him for the Rams. With so many openings throughout the league, it would seem like he would be among the names interviewed. Better than many I've heard. I guess he's in the same bucket as Martz...

[Tom, With Horns]

Then again he could be pissed that Shanahan's steakhouse rates better than Elway's.

[Tom, With Horns]

Denver did fire Mike Shanahan, doesn't that leave a mark?

John wasn't a part of that decision, but you may be on to something. I always thought they'd gotten along, but this article (and others) seem to indicate otherwise:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4137 ... ef-but-why

[RedAlice]

Some comments from a Denver fan who seems familiar with their team's situation. It's just a poster on a Denver board, not an article. Interesting though.

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So I have sources, and if you have a problem with me saying that, leave the thread, keep your snide comments and go **** yourself.

Here's what I know:

First, they haven't done the interview process and they do allow for that to influence their decisions. So this could shift as that process plays out.

Kyle Shanahan

Elway has a high interest in Kyle Shanahan, and reached out to him immediately. He didn't want to Gary to retire, and figures this is the next best thing.

I have also heard that Elway would have no issue bringing back Mike in some kind of advisory role or even just a presence on the team, especially if it allowed for Kyle to come.

The problems are twofold, though. First Kyle would likely want to call plays and be the head coach. This would present the same issues that come up when a coach wants direct control. However there is optimism in Dove Valley that a younger coach could possibly handle this. They also feel like they can sell Kyle on coming home, because his family and his wife's family is from here.

The second, biggest problem, is Kyle is going to listen but is intimidated by the idea of his first gig being somewhere his father won two Super Bowls. He knows the expectations here are going to be higher than other places and he doesn't want the shadow of his father's success always being compared to his, especially in his first stop.

There is talk he may be more interested in the Niners job, where he could bring his Dad in as a GM or in an advisory fashion and not have so much immediate pressure while they rebuild.


Dave Toub

This is more of a turning the stones over kind of thing. But Toub is a well connected coach who's coached all three units and has a lot of respect around the league. They see him as someone who would yield control to qualified coordinators and manage the team as a whole, which has high appeal right now.

Vance Joseph

Vance Joseph was their "plan B" if Kubiak rejected the Broncos two years ago. The rist of Kyle kind of shifted off of that a bit, but he's still someone who as only enjoyed more success and growth during that time.

He's well-respected around the league and they are familiar with him and his style, which they think will be a good fit. Here's where things get interesting.

Vance Joseph, and this is a direct quote, wants the best situation to succeed because "I know black head coaches don't get second chances." So he wants to go somewhere where success is part of the fabric of the organization. He also wants to go where there is already a culture of winning. This means the Broncos would be fairly high up there on his list.

The Broncos see Joseph as someone who would be able to lead the team and defer to talented coordinators. He is young and would keep the players coach atmosphere that Kubiak had and Elway allegedly prefers.

One of the more interesting things, is it was pointed out to me that Elway has a reputation around the league as someone who is more involved than other GM's (obviously). There aren't a lot of GM's doing press conferences and those kinds of things. There is discussion that a younger coach would be more open to letting John be John and have more say in the day to day stuff than an older, more established coach. Vance Joseph apparently has high interest in coming here, and may be open to such an arrangement if it helps him get his foot in the door.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=125653

[RedAlice]

Article found in that same thread. Might be good for Rams getting Kyle if they really do want Joseph.
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Broncos coaching job is Vance Joseph’s to lose, per report

Miami Dolphins defensive coordinator Vance Joseph is the frontrunner to become the next head coach of the Denver Broncos, according to a report from Alex Marvez of SiriusXM NFL Radio.

Joseph will interview with the Broncos next week, according to KUSA-TV's Mike Klis. If the Dolphins defeat the Pittsburgh Steelers in the wild-card round of the AFC playoffs, the interview will have to take place in Miami. If the Dolphins lose, the Broncos can interview Joseph in Denver.

Joseph, 44, was the team's second choice when they hired Gary Kubiak in 2015, according to Klis. He coached under Kubiak while with the Houston Texans alongside several coaches on Denver's current staff.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bro ... nce-joseph’s-to-lose-per-report/ar-BBxROCY?li=BBnbfcL

[Elvis]

When your team is not in the playoffs, this stuff is as exciting as it gets. And really, i do find it pretty exciting...

[Tom, With Horns]

Sounds like the stage is set for Sean Payton to continue, right where he's at:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... h-joe-vitt

[dieterbrock]

Sounds like the stage is set for Sean Payton to continue, right where he's at:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... h-joe-vitt

Grabbing at straws here, but if they were going to trade Payton at least the new HC wouldn't have to clean house. Also, maybe Payton did without any approval?
Just trying to hang on the dream....

[Elvis]

You guys are burying the lead: Joe Vitt's available...