[Hacksaw]

If that is really how these guys are Sam is in for it.

[dieterbrock]

If that was a hit at his waist, something near his waist must extend down towards his knees to make that connection, unlike like his vagina.

If Bradford is gonna play in a read option offense, its a legit hit

Getting out of control, hit a QB high and its roughing, hit him low and its "dirty" Keenum got hit worse and late and nobody complaining

[Hacksaw]

I get your point deiter. It's more factoring in preseason and Bradford's well publicized knees. Basically Suggs echos your exact statement.
Suggs -
"If you want to run the read-option with your starting quarterback that has had two knee surgeries, that’s on you," he said. "I could have hit him harder that that. I eased up."

Like I said, if that is the way these guys are, Sam is in for it.

[moklerman]

I don't agree that this is just the by-product of operating in a read-option offense. Now, I do agree that a QB that is in the act of handing the ball off or one that has just handed off and carrying out a run fake is fair game as a "runner".

With this particular play, I don't think there's any justification for Suggs going after Bradford's knees. First, I think Suggs had plenty of opportunity to identify that Bradford didn't have the ball. Certainly enough time to not launch into his knees if not avoid a hit altogether. I don't think a QB should be untouchable mind you, I just think in this case, there was too much time between the handoff and the hit.

In addition, Bradford was just standing there. He wasn't faking a pass or even carrying out a run-fake. At best, making a BIG assumption of him still having the ball, all he could be doing from Suggs' point of view is setting up to pass. So going for his knees is still a cheap shot.

It'll be interesting to see how the league enforces this type of play. Because to me, this looked a lot like the read-option that Peyton runs. Which isn't a run option for the QB it's a pass option. He really prolongs the handoff and sometimes pulls it at the last second and drops back to pass. It's a read-option play but I find it very difficult to imagine the league being okay with someone going after Manning's knees after he hands it off.

[dieterbrock]

Hes going for the waist, text book. Frame 1
Bradford ducking and pulling to his left causing Suggs to drop down. Frame 2
Gravity- Frame 3

[dieterbrock]

I get your point deiter. It's more factoring in preseason and Bradford's well publicized knees. Basically Suggs echos your exact statement.
Suggs -
"If you want to run the read-option with your starting quarterback that has had two knee surgeries, that’s on you," he said. "I could have hit him harder that that. I eased up."

Like I said, if that is the way these guys are, Sam is in for it.

Thats the issue, its Bradford getting hit. If its Cse Keenum, nobody notices. If its Tom Brady, we call it a solid hit and Brady is being a baby
I dont like Suggs and when I watched the replays, I wanted to see a dirty play. Fact is, it wasnt

[Hacksaw]

It's football and it did look like he let up some, so dirty isn't applicable. Sams knees were in play but Suggs didn't drive through with his pads. More of a wrap. Suggs reply was frank and a bit unsympathetic at best,, but upon further review I will revise my assertion of the "dirtyness" of the play to badass players will make badass plays,,, but he could have flown by clean.
Here's to SB staying structurally sound. Keeps our pick too. Fingers crossed..

[moklerman]

Suggs didn't have to go low at all. He wasn't diving to make a tackle on a runner getting away from him, he went from a standing position right at the knees of a guy who was standing still. It was dirty.