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 by Elvis
1 day 21 hours ago
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Apparently McVay is replacing We Not Me with We Then Me.

Is McVay evolving into a Phil Jackson Zen Master type of coach/situation?

 by Joe Pendleton
1 day 20 hours ago
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Virgin Islands (USA)   LA Coliseum
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lol, the short answer is yes (minus all the "Jeanie Buss" drama) :roll2:

 by actionjack
1 day 18 hours ago
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I mean we forget that McVay was freaking 30 when he got the HC job. I mean how much have we all grown from being 30...

Impressive growth from McVay (through his acknowledgement of getting help from others).

 by PARAM
1 day 11 hours ago
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Barbados   Just far enough North of Philadelphia
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The message has to morph over time lest it gets stale. He's a smart guy so it's not surprising.

 by BobCarl
23 hours 54 minutes ago
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Elvis wrote:Apparently McVay is replacing We Not Me with We Then Me.

Is McVay evolving into a Phil Jackson Zen Master type of coach/situation?


Personally, I never liked the "we not me" slogan.

Though the concept is nice, and yes players have to make sacrifices.

Nevertheless, how often do the Dodgers expect Shohei Ohtani to bunt?

Some players have elite skills that define their persona, their career, and paycheck. For example Jalen Ramsey who is one of the best man-to-man CB's ever to play the game ... force him to play zone every day and his internal ID devolves into seeing the team as "'We' without Me". Its demoralizing.

There has to be a balance somewhere, it can't be the extreme of "All Me" and neither can it be the extreme of "Always We".



A recent article by Jourdan takes a walk through some of McVay's mental-metaphysical refinement... including a few sentences about the "we not me" slogan.

How a phone call from a college football legend reset Sean McVay’s coaching career

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/639800 ... -rams-nfl/

 by rams74
22 hours 34 minutes ago
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Italy   Glendale, Arizona
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Honestly, we all know that if you don't take care of yourself -- physically, mentally, emotionally -- you will be incapable of taking care of others. So from that perspective, it's really "Me, then We."

And we all know people who are not able to do that. These are the narcissists. For them, it's just "Me. There is no We." These are people who are poison to a team.

NFL coaches are famous for not taking care of themselves and burning out. So I think this is all about how McVay went through this process of figuring that out and getting the help he needed to take care of himself, which then allows him to take care of his team.

But within the context of a team, none of the above changes the philosophy of team first. Whatever is best for the team, that's what we do. And what's best for the Rams, as a team, is for Sean McVay (and every individual) to first take care of himself, which puts him in a position to then take care of the team.

Which brings us back to "We not Me." I'm fine with this slogan. But context is important. Keep it in perspective.

 by Elvis
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I know all this stuff matters, probably a lot, but to me schematic advantage is the number 1 thing i want from a coach. Culture, leadership, growth, slogans on meeting room walls, connecting to your players, i'm sure that gets you to where you need to be. But if you don't know how to successfully attack what the other team is doing, nothing else really matters does it?

 by PARAM
20 hours 40 minutes ago
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Elvis wrote:I know all this stuff matters, probably a lot, but to me schematic advantage is the number 1 thing want from a coach. Culture, leadership, growth, slogans on meeting room walls, connecting to your players, i'm sure that gets you to where you need to be. But if you don't know how to successfully attack what the other team is doing, nothing else really matters does it?


That is the key. But culture helps. It helps create the right mindset to succeed. It helps attract players......even players you traded away. It helps make guys want to work harder than other teams, even if in reality most work as hard as possible. But none of that culture development happens without success. Because in todays NFL you only get 3 years (or less) to succeed. The Rams are not successful due to culture. They're successful due to McVay. But maybe the culture helps maintain it.

 by actionjack
20 hours 3 minutes ago
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United States of America   Sactown
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Elvis wrote:I know all this stuff matters, probably a lot, but to me schematic advantage is the number 1 thing i want from a coach. Culture, leadership, growth, slogans on meeting room walls, connecting to your players, i'm sure that gets you to where you need to be. But if you don't know how to successfully attack what the other team is doing, nothing else really matters does it?


IMO both are equally important, it is what now makes McVay a great HC. One without the other breaks down when sheet hits the fan.

 by Gareth
18 hours 13 minutes ago
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The Dodgers don't ask Shohei to bunt because it would be really stupid.

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