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ZN--I think the entire issue that McVay had with Goff was his laid back persona...no real fire in his belly. Didn't put in the extra work, etc. Since that trade, and the way Sean admits he mishandled it, Goff now has plenty of fire in his bell.

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ZN--I think the entire issue that McVay had with Goff was his laid back persona...no real fire in his belly. Didn't put in the extra work, etc. Since that trade, and the way Sean admits he mishandled it, Goff now has plenty of fire in his bell.

I said years ago in a post her at RFU that I wondered why Goff wasn't named a Captain his first several years with team.

Maybe because of what you stated Safer?

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https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles ... oc=right_h

Matthew Stafford turned down huge money to stay with Rams
Originally posted on Larry Brown Sports | By Grey Papke | Last updated May 6, 2025 3:22 PM ET

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Now that the details of Matthew Stafford’s new contract with the Los Angeles Rams have been revealed, we have a better idea of how much money the quarterback gave up to remain with his current team.

Stafford received a substantial raise on his new contract with the Rams, giving him a $44 million salary this season with another $40 million guaranteed. That is a raise of roughly $30 million relative to his previous contract.

However, according to Albert Breer of The MMQB, Stafford could have made $20 million more over the next two seasons had he forced a move to another team. The Los Angeles Raiders and New York Giants were willing to give him as much as $100 million over the next two seasons, but Stafford took significantly less to remain with the Rams.


That figure of $100 million is even higher than was previously reported, and demonstrates just how badly the Raiders and Giants wanted Stafford earlier in the offseason.

Breer compared the deal to those signed by the likes of Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady late in their careers. Those three quarterbacks prioritized the chance to win with their current teams instead of maximizing their earnings elsewhere.

Ultimately, the Rams were a play away from reaching the NFC Championship last season. The Giants and Raiders are much further away from contention. Stafford essentially traded $20 million for having the chance to play for a contender without uprooting his family, and he was still paid quite handsomely to do it.

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Even though he is signed through next year, his contract will be adjusted based on his/team’s performance. Win it all and he either gets a nice raise, or he retires. He will get another raise if he plays well almost regardless of team outcome, if he wants to play in 2026.

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Even though he is signed through next year, his contract will be adjusted based on his/team’s performance. Win it all and he either gets a nice raise, or he retires. He will get another raise if he plays well almost regardless of team outcome, if he wants to play in 2026.

And so we pay him 55 mil. Still under the top 5 franchise QBS

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Even though he is signed through next year, his contract will be adjusted based on his/team’s performance....

I was thinking along those lines.

that being said .. despite what has been "reported" in the media, I'd like to see the contract.

The word "guaranteed" is an oxymora ... fluid and ambiguous.

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Stafford could retire right now and live comfortably the rest of his life. But he's got a legacy to think about. The Rams are the best situation he could be in. Right now I believe he's a Hall of Famer one day. Not everyone agrees though. So its possible he won't be first ballot HOF'er. If he wants to be in the unanimous conversation like Manning and Brady, he could get there if he sticks around till he's 40. And I doubt he'd be wanting a cap crippling deal. For a QB his caliber he's a bargain right now.

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ZN--I think the entire issue that McVay had with Goff was his laid back persona...no real fire in his belly. Didn't put in the extra work, etc. Since that trade, and the way Sean admits he mishandled it, Goff now has plenty of fire in his bell.

Goff has top tier talent. Can make all the throws you want a quarterback to make. A seasoned vet who knows how to play in a good system. But one thing he lacks is that "IT" factor. Big games. Big moments. He's not built for that.

I'm sure McVay heard all the comments after the 2020 season. "Rams were a team that was a quarterback away from the Superbowl". McVay saw an opportunity to get that kind of quarterback and he pulled the trigger. Sure, didn't handle it well. But a coach in his mid 30's is not as mature and seasoned to handle that stuff. Now he's learned from it and is a better person for it.

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Goff has top tier talent. Can make all the throws you want a quarterback to make. A seasoned vet who knows how to play in a good system. But one thing he lacks is that "IT" factor. Big games. Big moments. He's not built for that.

I'm sure McVay heard all the comments after the 2020 season. "Rams were a team that was a quarterback away from the Superbowl". McVay saw an opportunity to get that kind of quarterback and he pulled the trigger. Sure, didn't handle it well. But a coach in his mid 30's is not as mature and seasoned to handle that stuff. Now he's learned from it and is a better person for it.

This has all come up before, with lots of detail and articles quoted and such. Here is the short version of my take on it.

McVay became the de fact qb coach in 2019 and he and Goff did not communicate effectively, which led McVay into openly and publicly getting down on his qb. A former Rams coach, and I think it was Zac Taylor, said that McV knew how to tear Goff down but not how to build him back up. In other words, confidence. It was a bad marriage of personalities, with McV being impatient and Goff losing confidence (and he played like it too). It actually sounds kind of like Bradshaw with Noll.

The problems existed long before the trade opportunity. Yes they did not handle the trade well but things were going on well before that. Part of it was McV's tendency to rip Goff publicly, part of it was just bad mechanisms of communication. I think their personalities didn't mesh well and on McV's side that included impatience.

At the time, I was one of those who BOTH defended Goff AND immediately backed the trade when it happened, and actively defended Stafford from detractors. My take was that a bad marriage is a bad marriage, and if the qb and HC are in a bad marriage, if the coach is a good one, he ain't gonna be the one to leave. I immediately jumped on it in social media and Rams boards discussions as a good trade.

With Stafford, McV got a qb who in some ways was his senior, so it was and is a very collaborative arrangement. They listen to each other. Stafford even describes their relationship as collaborative.

In terms of the "it" factor there are games where Goff showed he had that. Not like Stafford though very few qbs are like Stafford when it comes to that, so it's not really a fair comparison. But he has shown he has "it." Winning the NFC Conference game in New Orleans in a comeback situation in 2018 is a good example.

In Detroit the OC, Johnson, recognized immediately it was a confidence issue and built him back up. Johnson listened to Goff and built the offense around his strengths. What McV did was draw things up and say go do it, and with Goff's waning confidence that became tense. What Johnson did was find Goff's core strengths and build on them and design the passing game around them.

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It could be argued (convincingly) Stafford and Goff are top 10 QBs.

It"s a team game but clearly QB is the most influential position. We keep hearing how great Lamar is and he is talented. But he can't win in the postseason despite continually having a great team around him.

How many active QBs have a Lombardi on their shelf? 6? And just 3 others who've played in a SB. Not all of them are top 10 (Wilson, Flacco and Purdy.....hell, even Hurts shouldn't be considered and Rodgers isn't what he once was) but the others should be.

A good start to a top 10 list might be Mahomes, Burrow, Stafford, Goff with non-SB guys like Allen and Lamar? Remarkably two of them were traded for one another.