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 by ramsman34
1 month 2 days ago
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/zn/ wrote:Last year he played 5-6 games at the start of the regular season behind an injury depleted OL, and then played his final 4 games at the end of the regular season with rib injuries.


Makes one wonder, and long for, a full season behind the same 5 upfront and no significant injuries to Stafford that hinder his throwing ability. Might be pretty damn special.

 by BobCarl
1 month 1 day ago
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United States of America   LA Coliseum
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PARAM wrote:Tell me who I should have ranked top 10?


Nate Kessler read your list and has a few things to say about it. As many know Nate is an AI representing GTP Sports Network. Nate generated the following:

Thoughts on PARAM’s List

PARAM’s list is bold and unconventional, which makes for a great debate. One thing I appreciate is that he ranks players based on how he personally values them rather than just following consensus rankings. He gives credit to players like Stafford and Goff, who often get overlooked in favor of flashier QBs. I also like that he recognizes Jordan Love’s growth and potential, something that many people aren’t giving enough attention to.

Where I strongly agree with PARAM is at the top. Mahomes has to be No. 1—his track record speaks for itself. I also understand the temptation to rank Allen high because his talent level is ridiculous, even if his playoff shortcomings hold him back. I also respect the love for Goff, as he’s been underrated for a while now.

Where I somewhat disagree is with the ranking of rookies and unproven guys like Daniels and Maye. While Daniels has exciting potential, it feels premature to put him over guys who have already shown they can play at an elite level in the NFL. I also think Stroud deserves a spot in the top 10 based on how well he played as a rookie, especially considering he did it with a young team. Finally, Hurts being left off the list entirely is a bit surprising. While he wasn’t as good in 2023, his 2022 and 2024 seasons proveds he’s capable of leading a team to the Super Bowl.

Overall, PARAM’s list is an interesting take that challenges conventional rankings, and I always appreciate a unique perspective in these debates.

My (Nate Kessler's) Top 10 QBs

1. Mahomes – Three Super Bowls, five straight AFC Championship appearances, and the most dominant player in the league. No brainer.

2. Allen – His dual-threat ability is unmatched, and he's carried Buffalo, but until he wins it all, he stays behind Mahomes.

3. Burrow – He’s proven he can win big games, beating Mahomes in the playoffs once. If he stays healthy, he’s a top-three guy.

4. Lamar – MVP talent, electrifying playmaker, and has improved as a passer, but playoff success still eludes him.

5. Herbert – Talent is undeniable, but his teams keep underachieving. Coaching and supporting cast haven’t helped, though.

6. Goff – Has completely revived his career in Detroit and is one of the most efficient passers in the league.

7. Stafford – Still one of the most dangerous passers when healthy. Super Bowl champ with a clutch gene.

8. Stroud – His rookie season was nothing short of elite. Poise, accuracy, and leadership are all there.

9. Love – Took major strides in 2023 and looks like Green Bay's next franchise QB. The upside is huge.

10. Hurts – His 2022 season was MVP-caliber, but his regression in 2023 knocks him down the list. Still a dangerous dual-threat.

Honorable Mentions:

Tua – Great when healthy but struggles against elite defenses and durability is a concern.

Daniels – Rookie upside is there, but let’s see it on an NFL field before ranking him higher.

Mayfield – Finally had a solid season in Tampa, but I need to see consistency.

Lawrence – Flashes top-five talent at times but too inconsistent to be in the top 10 yet.

Nix – Big question mark, but intriguing potential.

 by PARAM
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To borrow a line from Avenger Ram, "Nate Kessler molests collies!" :lol2:

 by /zn/
1 month 9 hours ago
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United States of America   Maine
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ramsman34 wrote:Makes one wonder, and long for, a full season behind the same 5 upfront and no significant injuries to Stafford that hinder his throwing ability. Might be pretty damn special.


My thotz exactly. 8-)

 by Elvis
1 day 17 hours ago
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Could be true. OTOH, maybe the anonymous coach is shit talking Sanders hoping he'll fall to his team...

 by ramsman34
1 day 17 hours ago
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I think he (Sanders) will need a lot of development at the NFL level. More than “people” think.

 by St. Loser Fan
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Elvis wrote:Could be true. OTOH, maybe the anonymous coach is shit talking Sanders hoping he'll fall to his team...



 by 69RamFan
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From that original list,
there are only three QB's with SB rings.
and one of them was saved because of a RB!
So, as far as I am concern,
yes, the original posters got it right as far as Stafford is concerned!

 by Dare
1 day 2 hours ago
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United States of America   Tucson, AZ formerly of San Diego
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With out knowing the source it's hard to judge the criticism at face value. Who knows maybe Sanders intentionally tanked the interview because its a team he definitely would waste his career at. The Browns immediately come to mind. How would people react if that came from the Browns?

I think if the criticism was wide spread it would have had more legs than an unnamed assistant from an unnamed organization. At this late date it seems like an intentional sabotage attempt to sink him to a lower picking team.

That said, just from his film and evaluations the kid has talent but he's no finished product. Far from it. IMO the biggest concern from teams would be the kids father who has a history of an uncontrolled mouth. This appears to be the weakest QB class in a long time. Can Sanders drop? Absolutely, but I think it won't be beyond the middle of the second round.

Sanders I feel is one of those QBs that can start in his second year, but expectations should be tempered until we can see how he plays in his third year. But teams picking a QB in the first round will normally want him to start year one which might be a mistake. He potentially could struggle then you add that doubt to his plate from then on.

In my opinion the Rams would be looking at a QB that projects as a year 2 starter. They would want a QB that doesn't require a large amount of development, especially in terms of technique. They will be looking for a QB that needs polishing not development. I think they will be looking at a QB that has shown solid consistency, there are far fewer of those in every draft than the developmental QBs.

We will know later today.

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